Hint at next years lineup?

[mrdr89]

I think we may have had a hint at what next years lineup may look like. In the second half Iowa had a group of 2s in that i think will be 4 of the 5:

1: Clemmons (CW or Bohannon next year)
2: Jok
3: Baer
4: Uhl
4/5: Wagner

They played really well together on both offense and defense.

Thoughts?

 

[1hawkfanatic]

Clemmons is a senior

I think we may have had a hint at what next years lineup may look like. In the second half Iowa had a group of 2s in that i think will be 4 of the 5:

1: Clemmons (CW or Bohannon next year)
2: Jok
3: Baer
4: Uhl
4/5: Wagner

• They played really well together on both offense and defense.

Thoughts?

 

[Buffalo43]

Clemmons is a senior this year

Other Wise I agree

 

[icparkerhawk]

Clemmons is a senior this year

Other Wise I agree

I guess I'm the only one that read the OP. I would tend to agree that may be the starting lineup (with, as you pointed out, Williams or Bohanon playing point). I also wouldn't mind seeing Baer come off the bench. He is just so high energy he is a great guy to bring in and keep momentum while starters rest. I recall past Fran teams sputtering when starters exited. Not so when Baer comes in (part of that may be the departure from line changes as well).

 

[Buffalo43]

I read the OP as well parkerhawk

 

[revkev73]

Baer is a walk on...he will never be a starter.

 

[hawki1968]

There will be some real battles out there, for sure.

Could Uhl play the 3? An interesting option.

I like springing the Baer Cage open as a GRIZZLY 6th man.

I'll go with more size and less shooting:

Williams
Jok
Uhl
Wagner
Cook

 

[revkev73]

I don't think starting is that big of a deal...the next 3-4 off he bench often play as much as the starters under Fran...

 

[revkev73]

And Baer is kind of an "exotic"...they are nice to have off the bench...to confuse the opponents...who is covering this guy? What is his skill set? Baer is easily forgotten and overlooked by the other team...which makes him very dangerous.

 

[mrdr89]

There will be some real battles out there, for sure.

Could Uhl play the 3? An interesting option.

I like springing the Baer Cage open as a GRIZZLY 6th man.

I'll go with more size and less shooting:

Williams
Jok
Uhl
Wagner
Cook

Before the season uhl commented that he was more comfortable on the perimeter so I would think the 3 is an option

 

[freemanbrenner]

Williams or bohannon And Jok in the backcourt. Uhl, Baer and cook in the front court. Cook is a beast. Going to be a difference maker for Iowa next year. Brunner/Reggie Evans type.

 

[icparkerhawk]

I read the OP as well parkerhawk

So close that you decided to call out OP for naming Clemmons when he pretty clearly said it was 4/5 and mentioned right behind Clemmons who would be in that spot instead of him....

 

[johnnashhawk]

Williams or bohannon And Jok in the backcourt. Uhl, Baer and cook in the front court. Cook is a beast. Going to be a difference maker for Iowa next year. Brunner/Reggie Evans type.

I still get a little anxiety about the Baer leaving w/o a scholarship. Wondering if Ahmad could get a fb schollie to free one up? I like the shotblocking ability of the last 2 teams. Jok has the potential to replace Ute's scoring, and Cook and Wagner both look like R. Sanders type players. Kreiner may be able to fill that roll....either as a starter or off the bench. Uhl and Baer aren't bad, but any team would be hard pressed to replace the level at which JU is at.

It becomes more and more apparent how important Mikey is to the team. They play like an orchestra with him leading. The toughest replacement for next yr. I believe.

 

[revkev73]

MG is having a good stretch...but the orchestra has played nearly entire halves without him on the court because of foul trouble...right?

And played at at a very high level...leading one to believe this "team" is very good with or without one single player...this is a good thing, for a team.

 

[DanL53]

I agree with the op, as a starting lineup this moment if all of a sudden our seniors were gone, all the redshirts pulled, and our recruits showed up cleared to play. All, at this moment.

And we'd still beat Rutgers.

Oh, and that fifth guy would be Williams.

However, this is January and much is going to change between now and next November. I enjoy guessing as much as anyone, but the reality will probably be that how hard the guys work for the next ten months will probably have more to do with who starts that whatever level they are at now.

 

[go-hawks37]

Gonna be tons of options for Fran next year. I like Uhl at the 3. I don't believe Wagner and Cook play 4 and 5 at same time. Games are very similar. One of those two will be on court but other teammates with more offensive skill sets will be around them to compliment their great athletic ability.

 

[hansenhawk]

I think Cook starts from day 1

 

[johnnashhawk]

MG is having a good stretch...but the orchestra has played nearly entire halves without him on the court because of foul trouble...right?

And played at at a very high level...leading one to believe this "team" is very good with or without one single player...this is a good thing, for a team.

I think he is the heart and soul of this team. He plays best when we need him to. We'll just have to agree to disagree, my friend.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Hey everyone, I'm over here...remember me...I'm Dale Jones...I rebound and make threes. Dale Jones will play a huge role next year...and may start.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Good nucleus returning. Hawks will be solid again

 

[Kurt Warner]

Cook is gonna start from day one, book it....I always wanted to say that

 

[johnnashhawk]

And Baer is kind of an "exotic"...they are nice to have off the bench...to confuse the opponents...who is covering this guy? What is his skill set? Baer is easily forgotten and overlooked by the other team...which makes him very dangerous.

He will be noticed if he continues to put up numbers like he has. That's why they watch tape.

 

[freemanbrenner]

I think Cook starts from day 1

I think you will be right hansenhawk.

 

[BeepBeepInMyJeep]

I'd be really surprised if Fleming, moss, Ellingson, Williams and Hutton are all back along with Jones. There seemed to be a hint that there's a possibility Jones may never be able to fully recover, just reading between the lines when Franny said "he'll have some decisions to make".

I'm not throwing poop against the wall here but the percentages and modern trends of college basketball just tell me that there's an 80-90% chance that someone doesn't come back and Baer gets it.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I'd be really surprised if Fleming, moss, Ellingson, Williams and Hutton are all back along with Jones. There seemed to be a hint that there's a possibility Jones may never be able to fully recover, just reading between the lines when Franny said "he'll have some decisions to make".

I'm not throwing poop against the wall here but the percentages and modern trends of college basketball just tell me that there's an 80-90% chance that someone doesn't come back and Baer gets it.

Didn't he have some knee issues before coming to Iowa? I thought I remember someone saying he had issues with his knees either in High School or JC?

If he can't come back that will be a tough break, the kid looked like a shooter that Iowa needed. He was able to step out for the 3 ball and was also a good defender at times. Tough break if he can't come back. I agree if he can't come back, give his scholly to Baer.

 

[hansenhawk]

I agree on the Jones stuff, I am not sure he comes back from the knee injury. I believe he had issues with it in the past, and this years injury was VERY serious.

Hope he can come back, but I am not sure if that knee is going to allow it.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

MG is having a good stretch...but the orchestra has played nearly entire halves without him on the court because of foul trouble...right?

And played at at a very high level...leading one to believe this "team" is very good with or without one single player...this is a good thing, for a team.

Yes, but MG has been replaced by AC, another senior, which is a lot different than being replaced by a soph/fr who've played very little (or no) PG in the B1G. PG is still the biggest question mark going into next season and I expect some growing pains with Williams and Bohannon.

 

[TKingpin]

I was going to mention Jones as well. I believe when Fran was talking about the "decisions he will have to make," that he was talking about trying to heal quickly and limp through the rest of this year vs getting the surgery and sitting out and hopefully receiving the extra year of eligibility.

1. CW
2. Jok
3. Jones
4. Wagner
5. Uhl
This is a very good shooting unit. If Baer comes in for Wagner at the 4, then you could run a "Hoiberg" offense. Everyone around the perimeter and Uhl has the handles to beat his man off the dribble or shoot the 3. He becomes Niang. Sounds like Moss and Fleming can both shoot the 3 or beat their guy off the dribble and the lane should be open because the defense's post has to come out to guard Uhl. Also, the wingspan is tremendous. I think it would be a very formidable zone defense.

Off the bench, Baer is first. Obviously, and he could come in at 3 or 4. There could be a pretty good second unit out there, if Moss is as "freaky" an athlete as Hutton and others have eluded to.

1. CW - possibly Bohanon
2. Moss/Fleming/Ellingson
3. Hutton/Moss
4. Baer (edit: forgot Pemsl)
5. Cook/Kreiner

(edit: the real key for Fran, IMHO, is that he wants utility guys. That's why so many of the last 2 year's recruits are 6'5" to 6'8" and can play multiple positions. CW can play 1 or 2 - he may be tall enough to play 3 and 4 for all I know. Jok can and has played the 2 and 3. Fleming might be a back-up PG as well as a 2 and possibly a 3. So on and so on. All the bigs could be 4s or 5s. Uhl might be able to be a 3, even. Most of this year's freshmen can probably go anywhere from 2 thru 4. With next year's freshmen, Pemsl can be a 3 or 4, Kreiner and Cook can both be 4s or 5s.... I think you will really see what kind of athletes and style of play Fran REALLY wants to play in the future with that group.). Zero inside info, but just my 2 cents.

 

[Alex Thompson]

I think that if Jones is not healthy, the lineup will be:

Williams
Jok
Moss
Uhl
Cook

 

[freemanbrenner]

Not counting on jones being healthy. That's two acls in the last couple of years. There will be some guys on the team that will transfer. I would guess two or three.

 

[revkev73]

I think it would be very, very odd if no one transfers...it is the norm, now.

That said, Fran seems to like to give minutes to his bench players...and a lot of them, if they are doing well. Don't care for the coach putting in a sub...who gets hot and does well...and then pulls him. Keep the oven cooking when it is hot!

We will see...the players see the talent that there is, or not, and can see where they might fit in, or not...without being told or run out of town.

 

[DanL53]

I was going to mention Jones as well. I believe when Fran was talking about the "decisions he will have to make," that he was talking about trying to heal quickly and limp through the rest of this year vs getting the surgery and sitting out and hopefully receiving the extra year of eligibility.

1. CW
2. Jok
3. Jones
4. Wagner
5. Uhl
This is a very good shooting unit. If Baer comes in for Wagner at the 4, then you could run a "Hoiberg" offense. Everyone around the perimeter and Uhl has the handles to beat his man off the dribble or shoot the 3. He becomes Niang. Sounds like Moss and Fleming can both shoot the 3 or beat their guy off the dribble and the lane should be open because the defense's post has to come out to guard Uhl. Also, the wingspan is tremendous. I think it would be a very formidable zone defense.

Off the bench, Baer is first. Obviously, and he could come in at 3 or 4. There could be a pretty good second unit out there, if Moss is as "freaky" an athlete as Hutton and others have eluded to.

1. CW - possibly Bohanon
2. Moss/Fleming/Ellingson
3. Hutton/Moss
4. Baer (edit: forgot Pemsl)
5. Cook/Kreiner

(edit: the real key for Fran, IMHO, is that he wants utility guys. That's why so many of the last 2 year's recruits are 6'5" to 6'8" and can play multiple positions. CW can play 1 or 2 - he may be tall enough to play 3 and 4 for all I know. Jok can and has played the 2 and 3. Fleming might be a back-up PG as well as a 2 and possibly a 3. So on and so on. All the bigs could be 4s or 5s. Uhl might be able to be a 3, even. Most of this year's freshmen can probably go anywhere from 2 thru 4. With next year's freshmen, Pemsl can be a 3 or 4, Kreiner and Cook can both be 4s or 5s.... I think you will really see what kind of athletes and style of play Fran REALLY wants to play in the future with that group.). Zero inside info, but just my 2 cents.

Thank you for clearing up the info on Jones. My recollection is the same regarding "decisions he will have to make".

I very much enjoyed your view of next years possible lineup.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

Could Uhl play the 3? An interesting option.

Absolutely. He is better suited for the 3 than Aaron White ever was, and White played the 3 the majority of his time at Iowa.

Whether Uhl plays the 3 will just depend on who Fran thinks our best five options are. If Moss is as good as many of us hope he is, then I think Uhl will see most of his minutes come from the 4 position.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Cook will start out as a reserve but will be in Iowa's starting lineup as the season progresses. He looks to me to be the most impressive recruit Iowa's landed in many, many years. Way ahead of anyone else on Iowa's current team when they were seniors in high school. My favorite player (Uthoff) was a shadow of this kid Cook (as far as moves around the basket) when Jerrod was a senior and I saw him play in person several times. Jerrod was always a deadly shooter, but Cook is amazing.

 

[Jumpshot00]

It is interesting to speculate about next year, all while trying to enjoy this run as much as possible. I think (hope) this season is the reward for having a bunch of experienced guys who have been through a lot of highs and lows. Next year will bring a lot of change which is also an exciting part of following college sports. I'll admit I know nothing other than what I see on the court- I have no insider connections or knowledge. That said here is what I think about next year:
*Jok will get 15-20 shots a game and be a starter
*Every other spot is wide open-with playing time being earned in practice now, Summer, and fall. There will probably be a lot of fluctuation in the line-up between game one and the 2016-17 Big 10 season
*Baer will get a scholarship by his junior year at the latest, but maybe next year
*Transfers-who knows? Some of the players may be kicking it around, but I really doubt anyone on this board knows. Lots of people think this years playing time will make somebody transfer but I think it will take until after next year some players may see the "writing on the wall". Winning probably helps keep bench players/red shirts interested. If Iowa was 1-4 in the B1G some guys not playing would be more frustrated.
*Early on in his career at Iowa Fran played lots of young guys because that was all that was available-we are reaping the rewards now...but I also see Fran as a loyal guy who kept playing guys-Olgesby, McCabe, etc. because they stuck with him early coming to Iowa when it was at rock bottom and he stuck with them late. I think now Fran is still loyal and won't run people off, but he also won't play people just because. They will have to earn it and the competition should make things interesting.
*Fran seems to really value experience and being able to trust players- Ellingson getting playing time over true freshman shows that. Mostly solid minutes, but nothing to get too excited about from a fans standpoint. He might be great down the road, he might just be OK but right now he is providing a few minutes without causing problems.
*My guess is Cook getting minutes right away. I don't know how the recruiting process works but Ill speculate that part of the selling point was getting on the court early.
*PG-Williams is intriguing because of his length. Bohannon will compete. Maybe there will be a wild card based on any roster changes-5th year transfer?
*Long term Health of guys like Jones and Pemsl are still TBD
*A lot of players have gotten a lot better by staying in Fran's system. This year it looks like every single guy on the team is better than he was last year-nobody is regressing. How much current players step up from now until next year will determine if they play.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Here's an article I found from last week that might shed some light on the Moss/Hutton situations.
It doesn't sound like either are going anywhere.
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...-mike-gesell-jarrod-uthoff-schedule/78706876/
Quotes:
"“They’re growing a lot. I think in particular, Brandon is catching onto a lot of things,” senior guard Anthony Clemmons said. “He’s able to sit back and see how tough this league can be and how mentally you have to be to be able to last in this league. I think Moss is going to be special for this team as time moves forward.”

Hutton wants to be the best defensive player in the Big Ten Conference someday. Moss is more of an offensive-minded swingman who needs to bulk up.

Both are listed at 6 feet, 5 inches and are expected to have key roles next season after Iowa loses four senior starters. They’ve actually got key roles now, on the scout team simulating opposing stars."

 

[HerkysDad]

I think we may have had a hint at what next years lineup may look like. In the second half Iowa had a group of 2s in that i think will be 4 of the 5:

1: Clemmons (CW or Bohannon next year)
2: Jok
3: Baer
4: Uhl
4/5: Wagner

They played really well together on both offense and defense.

Thoughts?

I was at the game and Clemmons did play the second half for several minutes with a full complement of the 2s. They had a great run and built the lead to double digits. Not sure what game some of you watched.


I agree, next year Bohannon or CW will take Clemmons place.

 

[SSG T]

To start the season, I could see a lineup of... CW, Jok, Uhl, Jones, Wagner

By B1G season, I could see Cook and Moss both pushing for starting spots. Moss at the 3, sliding Jones/Wagner to reserve and Uhl to the hybrid 4 spot. Cook, once he gets his bearings, I could see being like White, a main reserve for a few games then locking down a starting spot for a few years.

 

[Ronman]

I know nothing about the possibility of Jones returning or not, but even if he can't. Iowa won't pull his scholarship, will they? Can his athletic scholarship be converted to an academic one and not affect our team total?

 

[CanadaHawk]

I know nothing about the possibility of Jones returning or not, but even if he can't. Iowa won't pull his scholarship, will they? Can his athletic scholarship be converted to an academic one and not affect our team total?

Good question about the academic/athletic scholarship option. I'm still wondering why we haven't heard anything about Jones' injury other than it's the same knee as his previous injury. Is it another acl? I haven't heard for sure- just speculation.