Just for fun what do you think is important in the next coach

[kceasthawk]

That's exactly what Hayden Fry did, and after 20 years of losing, in only his third season Iowa won the Big Ten and went to the Rose Bowl (1982) for the first time since 1959. Cignetti came in with a similar attitude at Indiana and has produced similar results, albeit with a much easier schedule.

Fry knew college football was entertainment as well as competition, and he built an entire program from the ashes, including creating one of the most recognizable logos in sports, the Tiger Hawk. He promoted and he coached and his players had fun. Hayden wasn't afraid to do the unexpected, and even when he didn't, the other team had to worry about it. Hayden never apologized for being Iowa. Instead, he said he was coming to Iowa City to break up the Big Two (Ohio State and Michigan). And that's exactly what he did.

I want someone like Hayden Fry, someone with a bold vision who knows defense wins but who also knows offense entertains and that the two are NOT mutually exclusive. I want someone who isn't afraid to let the kids play to the final whistle, even if it means scoring 50 or 60 points. I want someone who understands the forward pass is legal and lethal. And I want someone who will run an exotic, a trick play or two almost every game. It's fun, and those plays usually work. Hell, the best teams in the NFL use them, but they're too progressive for guys like KF.

I want Iowa football to be fun as well as competitive. I want to be entertained, not bored. I want the next Hayden Fry. Somebody else can have the next Kirk Ferentz.

That all sounds great. It does. Of course we go right back to the same argument. "Exotic plays and they usually worked". Did they? Against good teams? Yes Fry lit up the crap teams, and just to be clear there were a lot more crap teams in the conference back then. Still we struggled to score points against good teams almost as bad as today. Go back and look at the records. I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun, but how about we stop trying to reauthor the Hayden Fry years with all this revisionist history.

Just to be clear I think Fry should be lauded for what he did for Iowa football. Still remember that he coached for the most part in a time before the internet or social media. Especially in the latter years and in his many low scoring games against good teams, his six tie games, and losses to average teams he would have been shredded by the fans here just as much as Kirk is now. He's fortunate that his legacy is fondly remembered by the 56-10 type games against the NW.s and ISU's of his earlier years and not some of the lesser lowlights of several years.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Bell and Wallace have done a heck of a job with the defense, so no job for them? Of course if you go outside the Iowa tree, almost none of those guys get retained. Even if you keep Phil, (and I doubt he stays) he wouldn't be down with all of his guys being tossed out either....As for the contract Cignettis already going to 8 millio a year next season....

Wouldn't necessarily run them off, but the others would be my preference to retain; chances are the new guy would only keep 1-2 at the most.

If the guy wins 11 games and takes Iowa to the CFP in his first season, then I'd be ok with matching Cignetti's new contract.

 

[joelbc1]

“Iowa ties” at the BOTTOM of the list.

Someone who understands the there are no shortcuts to winning football games. Cheating will not (and cannot) be tolerated. In this time of transactional recruiting, players of high ethical character is paramount! (There is no room for “short cuts” to success). The #1 objective is to recruit players who have a serious mindset to achieve a college degree. To lose sight of this priority is to admit there is no more amateur football being played in “big school” football any more.

 

[danny14]

That all sounds great. It does. Of course we go right back to the same argument. "Exotic plays and they usually worked". Did they? Against good teams? Yes Fry lit up the crap teams, and just to be clear there were a lot more crap teams in the conference back then. Still we struggled to score points against good teams almost as bad as today. Go back and look at the records. I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun, but how about we stop trying to reauthor the Hayden Fry years with all this revisionist history.

Just to be clear I think Fry should be lauded for what he did for Iowa football. Still remember that he coached for the most part in a time before the internet or social media. Especially in the latter years and in his many low scoring games against good teams, his six tie games, and losses to average teams he would have been shredded by the fans here just as much as Kirk is now. He's fortunate that his legacy is fondly remembered by the 56-10 type games against the NW.s and ISU's of his earlier years and not some of the lesser lowlights of several years.

Hayden did not have thick skin and never took criticism well. Press had him on a pedestal and went easy on him. Mike Hlas seemed to be the only one who took him to task and Hayden didn't like care for it. He would have had a tough time with today's social media and forums.

 

[HWKEYZ23]

Outside of avoiding scandal type stuff….#1 would be a top notch recruiter. #2 is x’s and o’s. #3 is being able to identify a talented staff

 

[BonzoFury]

That all sounds great. It does. Of course we go right back to the same argument. "Exotic plays and they usually worked". Did they? Against good teams? Yes Fry lit up the crap teams, and just to be clear there were a lot more crap teams in the conference back then. Still we struggled to score points against good teams almost as bad as today. Go back and look at the records. I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun, but how about we stop trying to reauthor the Hayden Fry years with all this revisionist history.

Just to be clear I think Fry should be lauded for what he did for Iowa football. Still remember that he coached for the most part in a time before the internet or social media. Especially in the latter years and in his many low scoring games against good teams, his six tie games, and losses to average teams he would have been shredded by the fans here just as much as Kirk is now. He's fortunate that his legacy is fondly remembered by the 56-10 type games against the NW.s and ISU's of his earlier years and not some of the lesser lowlights of several years.

Fair points. The exotic plays were as much for the mental aspect as they were to move the ball. The key to all of this was what came before Hayden. He took over a program that hadn't had a winning season in 18 years. He turned it into a winner that garnered attention and respect on the National stage. That was no small feat.

 

[oldxbbc]

Fair points. The exotic plays were as much for the mental aspect as they were to move the ball. The key to all of this was what came before Hayden. He took over a program that hadn't had a winning season in 18 years. He turned it into a winner that garnered attention and respect on the National stage. That was no small feat.

Man, isn't that the truth. Spent many a games at Kinnick with Commings, FXL. Had someone give myself and a friend tickets they were trying to scalp outside Kinnick on Duffy D. last game there. This 76 year old does not want to go back to those days. Still remember the stadium shaking when we upset Nebby 13-10,Long's bootleg and 3rd and 31 draw to Mitchel that sealed the game. Now those are some great memories and hope there are some down the road.

 

[BonzoFury]

Man, isn't that the truth. Spent many a games at Kinnick with Commings, FXL. Had someone give myself and a friend tickets they were trying to scalp outside Kinnick on Duffy D. last game there. This 76 year old does not want to go back to those days. Still remember the stadium shaking when we upset Nebby 13-10,Long's bootleg and 3rd and 31 draw to Mitchel that sealed the game. Now those are some great memories and hope there are some down the road.

Lots of great Hawkeye games and seasons. But the Fall of 1981 was something special. Iowa City was buzzing all season.

 

[Iron Doc]

Spread Offense

 

[denmar81]

The "balls" to call an aggressive game plan, not rigid, at least entertains change, no nepotism, does not talk "down" about program and openly states they are trying to win a championship every season. Most of the aforementioned have already been expressed, but my take.

Someone similar to Dan Campbell? That man has big balls.

 

[HawkBall23]

The time has since well passed to do it, but if the AD were looking for a new coach even just a few years ago, my wishlist would have started with Bob Stoops as 1A, 1B and 1C.

Nowadays?

I just want someone who knows the slightest bit about what makes a good college QB in this day and age, as well as actually playing them instead of continually trotting out the Cade McNamara's and the Deacon Hill's on the roster. Someone unafraid to go for it on 4th & 1 or 2 at midfield and actually inside the opponent's territory would be a novel approach, as well.

 

[joelbc1]

The time has since well passed to do it, but if the AD were looking for a new coach even just a few years ago, my wishlist would have started with Bob Stoops as 1A, 1B and 1C.

Nowadays?

I just want someone who knows the slightest bit about what makes a good college QB in this day and age, as well as actually playing them instead of continually trotting out the Cade McNamara's and the Deacon Hill's on the roster. (Someone unafraid to go for it on 4th & 1 or 2 at midfield and actually inside the opponent's territory would be a novel approach, as well.)*

* until it doesnt work.

 

[HWKEYZ23]

The time has since well passed to do it, but if the AD were looking for a new coach even just a few years ago, my wishlist would have started with Bob Stoops as 1A, 1B and 1C.

Nowadays?

I just want someone who knows the slightest bit about what makes a good college QB in this day and age, as well as actually playing them instead of continually trotting out the Cade McNamara's and the Deacon Hill's on the roster. Someone unafraid to go for it on 4th & 1 or 2 at midfield and actually inside the opponent's territory would be a novel approach, as well.

I’d still roll with Bob Stoops if he would be willing to say yes. Just dont think he will want to by the time KF hangs it up. Even if it would have been a couple of yrs ago, I think he would have considered it

 

[hawkfan2024]

Hayden did not have thick skin and never took criticism well. Press had him on a pedestal and went easy on him. Mike Hlas seemed to be the only one who took him to task and Hayden didn't like care for it. He would have had a tough time with today's social media and forums.

Nailed it

 

[joelbc1]

Hayden did not have thick skin and never took criticism well. Press had him on a pedestal and went easy on him. Mike Hlas seemed to be the only one who took him to task and Hayden didn't like care for it. He would have had a tough time with today's social media and forums.

Hayden was always one or two steps ahead of everyone. That’s why the was a successful coach. Danny… John Hayden has you fooled, too!
John Hayden never did anything without plenty of forethought. He’d rant and rave when everyone was expecting him to say nothing. He was always working the media and putting “the pressure” on himself and always defending and deflecting from “the team”. But Hayden’s “hissy fits” were never without purpose… ever. He didn’t get that worthless liberal arts degrees (with a major in psychology) from Baylor for nothing…he may never have set up a practice in his private life but ol’Hayden used that degree/ knowledge every day in his coaching career.
Hayden was a beauty! His best performance was saved for us Iowa football fans! People in Iowa still think of John Hayden as some wild eyed offensive “mad chemist” when the facts are ol’Hayden just soon run the ball down the opponents throat every game. The difference between Hayden and Kirk is emphasis. Hayden was an old quarterback whose ordinary value was scoring. Kirk learned a lot of his coaching from Bill Belichek who was much more fundamentally schooled in defense, blocking and tackling . Both coaches (actually all 3 coaches) have been unmitigated successes in their chosen professions. And they all 3 did it their way.

 

[bowlhawk]

Whoever can turn us back into the Bullies of the B1G!

 

[hawkcub]

We don't need someone to reinvent the wheel. Don't listen to those who want the shiny new toy. I don't want to be Wisconsin.

Give me someone who's a good recruiter and doesn't have a gigantic blind spot on the QB play. We don't need to try and put square pieces in round holes. If we get even slightly above average QB play we are back to the blue bloods not liking to play Iowa.

 

[JLDHAWK]

Young with a Cougar for a mom. Gilf works too.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

“Iowa ties” at the BOTTOM of the list.

Someone who understands the there are no shortcuts to winning football games. Cheating will not (and cannot) be tolerated. In this time of transactional recruiting, players of high ethical character is paramount! (There is no room for “short cuts” to success). The #1 objective is to recruit players who have a serious mindset to achieve a college degree. To lose sight of this priority is to admit there is no more amateur football being played in “big school” football any more.

There isn't. This is a billion dollar industry and Iowa won't get any extra wins or bonus points if their players get straight As or if the coach is a saint. Get a coach who isn't afraid to push the line & who finds guys that can ball and stay out of trouble with the law.

 

[joelbc1]

There isn't. This is a billion dollar industry and Iowa won't get any extra wins or bonus points if their players get straight As or if the coach is a saint. Get a coach who isn't afraid to push the line & who finds guys that can ball and stay out of trouble with the law.

The University will never do anything that smells of scandal. Tge University has had its hands slapped often and substantially in the past. The Administration will not tolerate it. Period. The 50’s taught UIowa a lot of athletic lessons. These lessons will not be repeated. Take some time, study your history. Everybody’s journey is determined by the roads they have traveled.,

 

[swihawk]

Sounds like a lot of fantasy and unachievable b.s. in this thread. If I'm going to fantasize, I want the 2002-2003 Ferentz.

He's out there somewhere.

 

[JerseyCityHawki]

Ok, this is not a discussion on if KF should go or when he should go. None of us have any control over this and there is enough post on this. He could be here another 1-5 years.

So just for simple discussion.

What do you think is important to the next hire?

Someone associated with Iowa, played for Iowa or loyal to Iowa that will stay and not look at this as a steppingstone in their career?
Keeping some of the staff.
If not a head coach from another school,
Defensive coordinator coach?
Offensive coordinator coach?
Keeping some of the staff as assistant coaches with some type of association with Iowa?
What type of contract and buy out would be best?

I would love to have someone with Iowa ties but that isn’t a deal breaker … someone young and hungry that can take us to the promise land is all I want lol

 

[joelbc1]

I would love to have someone with Iowa ties but that isn’t a deal breaker … someone young and hungry that can take us to the promise land is all I want lol

In my lifetime, the 2 coaches that “made” UIowa football were Evy and Fry. Neither had any “Iowa roots”… both understood what it took to build a winner. Both were outstanding coaches. An “Iowa connection” is more a coincidence than anything.