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Historians Consensus On Five Best U.S. Presidents

A decision driven by the time and conditions under which he served,.. Grossly unfair to apply current norms to historical figures...
You would’ve served yourself so much better if you would’ve just stayed silent like every other liberal and hope that this fact about him just faded away in the thread. But you somehow tried to defend it???

Just a guess, you wouldn’t have this kind of leniency with any other leader of a nation that judged people by the way they looked and locked them up?
 
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I am always going to be skeptical of a ranking like this that has 3 of the top 5 who served before the country was even 100 and the other two who were born in 1800s. Seems a bit too nostalgic and as always my whole life, bit heavy on the founding fathers, as always has been the case due to almost mythical like status. But, I don’t think TJ deserves top five nor Teddy.

Lincoln is the clear goat and Washington deserves his top five spot for legacy for locking down what the office should be in its infancy. FDR is deserving as well. I would add Eisenhower and LBJ to my top five instead of Teddy and Jefferson. Eisenhower was an incredible president and put in place the foundation of ensuring we truly were the greatest nation on earth as we blossomed in 50s. LBJ is a very underrated president for how he came to office and how he changed the US.
You might be able to make a case for Eisenhower. Disagree on LBJ. Escalated the Vietnam War and welfare state.
 
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Top of the list for most divisive and destructive president.
 
It EXPLODED starting after 1980. CEO pay up 900% since. 10% for workers. Trickle down started with Reagan. He slashed the corporate tax rate. I love when people lol when they don’t know their history.
He ended the U.S.S.R the Cold War and united East and West Germany. Also created the military dominance that we still enjoy today.
 
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He ended the U.S.S.R the Cold War and united East and West Germany. Also created the military dominance that we still enjoy today.
The USSR was a corrupt bad model. If Carter was Pres they were done either way.

Unrest.
Loans pulled.
Worn out oil infrastrucure.
Cherbobyl exposed them.

Reagan had little impact. That is an American movie end.
 
The USSR was a corrupt bad model. If Carter was Pres they were done either way.

Unrest.
Loans pulled.
Worn out oil infrastrucure.
Cherbobyl exposed them.

Reagan had little impact. That is an American movie end.

Reagan certainly had impact in that his policies restored faith in the western markets over Soviet planning.

Gorbachev deserves the most credit because he wasn’t bloodthirsty like predecessors that survived much more dire economic situations by killing and jailing to maintain social control.

He deserves a place in history for ending the Soviet Union in its 69th year.
Facts.
 
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You know, no one knows how history might be written 50-100 years from now, but, I would say there is at least a possibility that the Biden/Harris administration(s) just might be praised for their saving of the American Republic, just like today's historians praise Lincoln for his efforts to do the same.

Lincoln received a lot of criticism in his time frame, but it was up to time to soothe the rough spots that has led to his praise today.

Maybe Biden/Harris will receive the same praises?

Maybe history will eventually put Biden on Mt. Rushmore, too? Who knows?

All right. Let the laughter begin.

Let's check back in in a hundred years and see how these predictions have played out.

Shall we?
 
He ended the U.S.S.R the Cold War and united East and West Germany. Also created the military dominance that we still enjoy today.

Sigh.....how many times do I have to tell you folks Rocky 4 and Red Dawn ended the cold war.....

On a serious note.......USSR system was unstainable and crumbled upon itself. Do some reading SA. Like actual reading, not your political trash. Read about the Soviet Union in dry books that you have no attention span for.
 
Reagan certainly had impact in that his policies restored faith in the western markets over Soviet planning.

Gorbachev deserves the most credit because he wasn’t bloodthirsty like predecessors that survived much more dire economic situations by killing and jailing to maintain social control.

He deserves a place in history for ending the Soviet Union in its 69th year.
Facts.
He sure does though he isnt very popular on Ukaine. The Soviets were also hurt by Breshnev having dementia and then Andropov being quite old in his body age.

The way thecSoviets collapsed was a human catastrophy in that nation. Not that they collapsed but how. Sure it wasnt a bloodbath....it was a vacuum.
 
Because you hate black people and they need to know "their role"?
Obama’s foreign policy was pretty disastrous.

Which was your favorite?
Libya?
Yemen?
Iraq?
Syria?
Ukraine?
Surged in Afghanistan to absolutely no strategic effect.

Authorized the assassination of an American overseas with absolutely no due process, much less conviction in abstentia or otherwise.

Codified most of the abuses in civilian surveillance after they were exposed.
 
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The way thecSoviets collapsed was a human catastrophy in that nation. Not that they collapsed but how. Sure it wasnt a bloodbath....it was a vacuum.
In the pantheon of ‘Russian’ tragedy, I don’t see how it makes the list, except to the pride of ultra nationalist who admire the Soviets as an empire.
 
I'll accept Lincoln followed by Washington,.. beyond that, I'd say we're still looking for additional contenders.
 
Because you hate black people and they need to know "their role"?
Be serious. Obama was president during those disasters. Syria and Ukraine have huge impacts today if you haven't noticed.

Black or white, policy decisions on foreign policy were terrible with longer term consequences.
 
It EXPLODED starting after 1980. CEO pay up 900% since. 10% for workers. Trickle down started with Reagan. He slashed the corporate tax rate. I love when people lol when they don’t know their history.
Supply side economics a its never works.
 
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