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Live in Marion and it's been pretty crazy. Bought our house in 2020 and the value is up 20%. I didn't believe it until my neighbor sold their house last summer and it went for well above what I thought it would and it is smaller then ours with less upgrades.

The shitty thing is our property taxes have also gone up over $600 in those 4 years.
Our property taxes went up $1000 this year. $1400 since 2020. Sadly, or perhaps thankfully, it is still assessed at almost $100k less than what we expect it to sell for this summer. 5 years ago I would have said you were crazy if you told me we could get the kind of money places are selling for.
 
Yeah we thought we’d be downsizing when we relocated 5 years ago. Ended up building an even larger house than the one we sold. We like the space for everything you mentioned, entertaining and having family and friends visit.
Agreed. We like hosting holidays and parties. Hard to do that in a shanty. Plus, once our kids hopefully have kids, I want quality space for everyone so that coming to our house is desirable and fun. As is stands, we have poured way more money into our house than we will ever get out of it when we sell. Probably twice as much, but still cheaper than making a bigger and nicer house "our own." In any event, I think of money we have poured into our house as entertainment dollars, so it's all good.
 
I am in rural America, and honestly we tend to see modest price movements, but since Covid our prices have skyrocketed with increase individuals moving in from the coasts or suburban areas and working from home. We purchased a Home at the absolute bottom 2010 of the financial market, got 8000 first time homebuyers credit, against the 208,000 purchase price. Pricing would be a crap shoot, but somewhere between 400k to 450k is where its at now. Real estate taxes are high. So I am already looking at over 100% return plus in 14 years. I guess when you look at that not as high of compounded rate as I expects. Its just the the majority of the price jump of 150k to 200k has occurred in the last 4 years.
 
Yep. This is exactly what's happening right now. People in those homes aren't moving because they don't want to double their interest rates. Therefore the supply of "starter" homes is extremely low. Yet, demand is still there and so those numbers continue to increase in value. The mid tier level of homes is starting to stagnate a bit but still pretty high. The only housing segment seeing some very slight decreasing might be the higher end homes in some areas.

I couldn't imagine being newlyweds looking for that first house in your twenties. Without financial help from parents or family, it's gotta be pretty tough especially in larger urban areas.
I was saying the same thing to my wife. Our house was a stretch for us when I started my current job 20 years ago. It would be unreachable now, based on what I made then. Fortunately for our kids, Daddy and Mommy Warbucks make a lot more than then, and they have been good to them, and will be in the future. But even then our help will only go so far, if they choose to settle down in a large metro with large metro housing prices.
 
Yep. This is exactly what's happening right now. People in those homes aren't moving because they don't want to double their interest rates. Therefore the supply of "starter" homes is extremely low. Yet, demand is still there and so those numbers continue to increase in value. The mid tier level of homes is starting to stagnate a bit but still pretty high. The only housing segment seeing some very slight decreasing might be the higher end homes in some areas.

I couldn't imagine being newlyweds looking for that first house in your twenties. Without financial help from parents or family, it's gotta be pretty tough especially in larger urban areas.

My son is a first year school teacher in Northern Virginia getting married in October. They are spending $2500/month for an apartment, and I have no idea what their plan is going to be to ever buy a house. Wait for one set of parents to die?
 
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My son is a first year school teacher in Northern Virginia getting married in October. They are spending $2500/month for an apartment, and I have no idea what their plan is going to be to ever buy a house. Wait for one set of parents to die?
wait for the flood of boomer houses or someone in government to get smart and realize their tax base is gonna dry up quickly without owner-occupied housing.
 
Agreed. We like hosting holidays and parties. Hard to do that in a shanty. Plus, once our kids hopefully have kids, I want quality space for everyone so that coming to our house is desirable and fun. As is stands, we have poured way more money into our house than we will ever get out of it when we sell. Probably twice as much, but still cheaper than making a bigger and nicer house "our own." In any event, I think of money we have poured into our house as entertainment dollars, so it's all good.
LOL I’m going to bet you don’t live in one of those “over 55” communities. Everyone I know who lived in one has sold and moved out.
No hosting families or grandkids! Nutso.
 
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I'm fairly certain Texas doesn't own any oil wells. Wouldn't that be socialism?
Public lands! Public revenue used for public infrastructure. Did you know that UT- Austin has an oil well on campus?! I think it has been capped off but it was a producer.
Ain’t America great??!!
 
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My son is a first year school teacher in Northern Virginia getting married in October. They are spending $2500/month for an apartment, and I have no idea what their plan is going to be to ever buy a house. Wait for one set of parents to die?
Wow. Nova is a very costly area. Hopefully they pay teachers better here than there. Either that or hopefully his wife chose a high paying career.
 
LOL I’m going to bet you don’t live in one of those “over 55” communities. Everyone I know who lived in one has sold and moved out.
No hosting families or grandkids! Nutso.
Is there some sort of HOA rule that limits guests or is it the lack of physical space in these homes?
 
My son is a first year school teacher in Northern Virginia getting married in October. They are spending $2500/month for an apartment, and I have no idea what their plan is going to be to ever buy a house. Wait for one set of parents to die?

But is it a luxury apartment?

That's really the important part
 
I am in rural America, and honestly we tend to see modest price movements, but since Covid our prices have skyrocketed with increase individuals moving in from the coasts or suburban areas and working from home. We purchased a Home at the absolute bottom 2010 of the financial market, got 8000 first time homebuyers credit, against the 208,000 purchase price. Pricing would be a crap shoot, but somewhere between 400k to 450k is where its at now. Real estate taxes are high. So I am already looking at over 100% return plus in 14 years. I guess when you look at that not as high of compounded rate as I expects. Its just the the majority of the price jump of 150k to 200k has occurred in the last 4 years.
Our house was built in 2000.
We bought it as a short sale in Feb 2011 for $177.5 (which would have been about the 2004 price/sqft in the neighborhood).
Previous owner had paid $222 in 2008. She then installed gas range, gas fireplace, inline gas water heater and gas line for dryer.
Definitely caught the knife at the floor.
Good schools in the neighborhood, so I hadn't seen houses sit on the market long ever. Until now.
There are 3 that have been for sale for a while. One, like ours, backs up to the 800+acre greenway that is now zoned conservation land (change didn't happen until after we bought, but I knew it'd always stay a park in Leon county).
Prices seem to have chopped sideways for almost two years, but it makes sense, because they're adding lots of homes around here now:

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Wow. Nova is a very costly area. Hopefully they pay teachers better here than there. Either that or hopefully his wife chose a high paying career.

He has a Masters in Special Ed, and I think he's making all of about $65k. She makes more, but well under $100k. I used to tell him that, if he insisted on being in education, he should at least have a Masters before he even steps into a classroom, and make sure he positions himself within ten years to at least be a principal.
 
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wait for the flood of boomer houses or someone in government to get smart and realize their tax base is gonna dry up quickly without owner-occupied housing.
I guess we will just need to see how it sorts out. I understand supply and demand curves but I am not sure the demand curve will shift left as older people die. Rather, I think the demand will be sustained by a new set of purchasers. So I guess the question is whether there will be a glut of homes hitting the market shifting the supply curve to the right. I am sure there will be regional supply glut, on the whole, who knows. It could also be that there could be a lot of deferred or pent up demand when the supply is increased, and the prices stay at equilibrium. Like I said, time will tell.
 
LOL I’m going to bet you don’t live in one of those “over 55” communities. Everyone I know who lived in one has sold and moved out.
No hosting families or grandkids! Nutso.
Well, I'm only 49 with no grandkids in sight, but I agree that I have no interest in living around a bunch of people admiring their ability to keep other people off their lawns. That is not the stuff of life, in my book. I want the pool swum and dived in, so to speak.
 
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Public lands! Public revenue used for public infrastructure. Did you know that UT- Austin has an oil well on campus?! I think it has been capped off but it was a producer.
Ain’t America great??!!
You said that Texas has it's own well fields. Actually they're privately owned on leased land from the state.
 
Not jacking up the prices directly, but def. taking homes off the market.
Yeah I messed that statement up. What I meant was the theory that Airbnb / VRBO taking up some inventory (keeping house prices high) lead to incorrect speculation and rumor that there was going to be a collapse of that market and it would then drive prices down (similar to this theory that all the boomers will sell at once and drive prices down)

It did not happen.

 
My son is a first year school teacher in Northern Virginia getting married in October. They are spending $2500/month for an apartment, and I have no idea what their plan is going to be to ever buy a house. Wait for one set of parents to die?
Good luck, per my post above.
 
I guess we will just need to see how it sorts out. I understand supply and demand curves but I am not sure the demand curve will shift left as older people die. Rather, I think the demand will be sustained by a new set of purchasers. So I guess the question is whether there will be a glut of homes hitting the market shifting the supply curve to the right. I am sure there will be regional supply glut, on the whole, who knows. It could also be that there could be a lot of deferred or pent up demand when the supply is increased, and the prices stay at equilibrium. Like I said, time will tell.

baby boomers are by far a larger generation than Gen X or Millennials. They also own a marge larger portion of 'large homes' than any other time in history. I think you underestimate them dying off means to the market.
 
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Yeah I messed that statement up. What I meant was the theory that Airbnb / VRBO taking up some inventory (keeping house prices high) lead to incorrect speculation and rumor that there was going to be a collapse of that market and it would then drive prices down (similar to this theory that all the boomers will sell at once and drive prices down)

It did not happen.


i think expecting an airbnb shift in market based on one social media user's post and incorrect analysis of data is probably wrong.

But since that article was posted, NYC has enacted a ban and many other cities, such as college towns are looking at it as well. That could force the shift.
 
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Where are you at? I've not seen that here in North Liberty, at least recently. Neighbors have had their house listed since right before the snowstorms and it remains unsold. Maybe they are asking too much? When the market was on fire that house wouldn't have lasted the day.
We live just outside the urban sprawl of a pretty large city in a state further east than Iowa.

We bought our house 6 1/2 years ago. I’m extremely confident we could sell it for twice what we paid.
 
He has a Masters in Special Ed, and I think he's making all of about $65k. She makes more, but well under $100k. I used to tell him that, if he insisted on being in education, he should at least have a Masters before he even steps into a classroom, and make sure he positions himself within ten years to at least be a principal.
That's great advice. The Masters gives him options such as you mentioned. Even being an assistant principal would likely mean a nice increase in pay. I'm a firm believer that if you live in expensive areas (such as NoVa) then you need to be even more career driven and focused to achieve high salaries. They can do that but they will need to budget tightly and keep climbing that ladder aggressively.
 
I kind of scrolled through this thread, so I apologize if already asked and answered. I'd like to hear from a realtor on here on whether homes actually go close to the zillow price. Seems to me Zillow over values things. But I could be wrong.
 
I kind of scrolled through this thread, so I apologize if already asked and answered. I'd like to hear from a realtor on here on whether homes actually go close to the zillow price. Seems to me Zillow over values things. But I could be wrong.
Zillow also shows the sold price fyi of homes that have sold in the recent past. So, you can see what it went for and if you scroll down, you can see what the list price was as well.
 
I kind of scrolled through this thread, so I apologize if already asked and answered. I'd like to hear from a realtor on here on whether homes actually go close to the zillow price. Seems to me Zillow over values things. But I could be wrong.
Not a realtor, but when we refinanced in 2021 the valuations were very close to what we got from the appraisals we submitted on the loan.
 
Realtor friend of mine in Florida said houses aren’t necessarily overpriced it’s just the new normal. They might dip a little but these inflated prices are here to stay. If mortgage rates ever catch up…
This is common for realtors to say no matter the situation. They have a vested interest in getting the most out of every house sold.
 
Come down to Phx area and price modular and “mobil. Homes”… you will shit bricks! $150-400 k and up!
New constructions for 1800 ft ranch, $600k and up… and houses sell down here quick! I’m amazed.. all they are selling is warmer weather too.
 
Come down to Phx area and price modular and “mobil. Homes”… you will shit bricks! $150-400 k and up!
New constructions for 1800 ft ranch, $600k and up… and houses sell down here quick! I’m amazed.. all they are selling is warmer weather too.
To that I say no thank you, unless when I retire I have more money than I am anticipating. I am trying to remember who the poster was - perhaps @noleclone2 ? - who shares a similar strategy of vacationing for a month or two in a warm climate once time permits in retirement, but not biting off the huge cash outlay in getting a place of one's own. You can rent a f*ck of a lot of VRBO's all over the USA and the world for half a million dollars before you die.
 
To that I say no thank you, unless when I retire I have more money than I am anticipating. I am trying to remember who the poster was - perhaps @noleclone2 ? - who shares a similar strategy of vacationing for a month or two in a warm climate once time permits in retirement, but not biting off the huge cash outlay in getting a place of one's own. You can rent a f*ck of a lot of VRBO's all over the USA and the world for half a million dollars before you die.

You can spend January and part of February in the Caribbean every year, which is my goal and what my neighbors do.
 
Everyone I know in real estate laughs at Zillow.
They shouldn't. They should say thank you, for now. Buyers cut out of my cloth will have parsed properties carefully before ever asking them to walk through a house. Shit, I bet if I found a place I really wanted on zillow it would take only the one tour of the house before I would pull the trigger. In yesteryear, I might have wanted to see 30 houses. Now, real estate agents could be eliminated in the future, or have their commissions gutted. But for now, they should be gathering the honey and abundant crops while they can, and be thankful for how little effort they need to expend.
 
I live on the border of N. Liberty/C. Ville. The Johnson County assessor is coming to my joint next week to "reassess." I am going to keep my home like a pig stye so the price will go down. As such, it has gone up nearly 300K since I built it. Insane.
I have a contractor friend, he only builds houses that come in over $400K. I haven't talked business with him in a while, so it makes me wonder if he isn't doing Million dollar only homes nowadays. In any case, I hate that County 52 is assessing homes WAY over their real value. A money grab.

Are you saying it has since been assessed +300k at what you bought/built it at? Could you sell it tomorrow for YOUR/assessed value asking price? The housing market is insane to me in that 2 years ago, I could had a bidding war on my house but today I could list it and sell today, or 3 months from now. it's weird.
 
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Is there some sort of HOA rule that limits guests or is it the lack of physical space in these homes?
I’m not sure but people who I know that lived in one of these communities said they could only have visitors under 55 stay for a limited period of time. Space or not.
If my son and his family lost their home to a fire and I lived in one of those places they’d be out of luck after a week if they wanted to stay with me.
No thank you.
 
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