Honestly, why NOT get a grad transfer at PG for next year?

[hansenhawk]

Because the way I see it there is no down side to it at all.

Do we have a scholarship open? Yup.

AND, it's only one year, so who cares. Works out, GREAT, let's some young guys continue to develop.

Doesn't work out? Who cares, it's only 1 year.

So, I don't see why Fran wouldn't do this honestly, unless he just really wants Williams or Bohannon to sink or swim.

He is just biding time till his son get's here anyways, but then again, that would make sense to get a grad transfer to help plug the hole.

Bank the scholarhip? Why? Might as well use it for 1 year to help the team IMHO.

 

[Scott559]

Do you know of one that Iowa likes and likes Iowa in return?

 

[StormHawk42]

I mean how many quality ones are actually out there? And out of those, how many are actually interested in Iowa?

It's not really something that you just take any chance on because the guy is a PG. From what I've seen, there are very few B1G quality PG's out there and the ones that are are the same ones that every other program is after. It's not something where the player just falls into our lap. I'm sure if Fran has seen ones he likes, he has or will contact them.

 

[hansenhawk]

True, on all accounts, I definitely think Fran should push this option tho.

Heck, if not a PG, still maybe do it and just get the best player you can?

With the roster shaking up as much as it is anyways, I don't think he is messing with team chemistry or anything.

 

[And1Hawk]

With the roster shaking up as much as it is anyways, I don't think he is messing with team chemistry or anything.

I think just the opposite as there will be competition at every spot except Jok's assuming he returns with what we have returning and the incoming guys. Bringing in a grad transfer to play minutes over the top of one of our youngsters could be a negative. It could signify a 'we do not believe in you' statement that's why this one year rental is here.

How would you feel about a program that you are committed to for four years dropping a guy into your spot for one season who has no prior ties or investment in the program? If this was a veteran team needing one piece for a big season then I could see it but this will be a young team in desperate need of minutes in order to expedite the learning curve.

 

[hansenhawk]

I don't know, part of the deal. As a player, you know other players will always be coming, potentially to take your PT. The grad transfer has to earn his time, just like all the others.

 

[jdv77]

I don't have any problem with the concept. But in looking at the transfer list the other day, most of the point guard options appeared to be less productive or worse shooters than the much maligned, recently departed Gesell and Clemmons.

What would your criteria be for a worthy graduate transfer? Double digit scoring, 2:1 assist ratio, 35+% from 3, 3+ assists per game? I am not sure that graduate transfer is out there, unless he has already committed to Louisville.

 

[nu2u]

I don't know, part of the deal. As a player, you know other players will always be coming, potentially to take your PT. The grad transfer has to earn his time, just like all the others.

I agree with the competition POV, its to be expected. PG grad transfer would be a good move IMO if (a) Fran thinks there is a need (b) he is a good fit with the team and (c) Bohannon wants to redshirt.

 

[Chewback]

From what I've seen, a grad transfer is either a guy who's not good enough to start on his current team or he's a great player on a mediocre team who wants to get on a team with a shot at a championship. I don't see either working for Iowa.

 

[coe76]

After thinking about it, I would probably bank the scholarship. That would give us two open for 2017 and we could push for Goodwin and either Tillmon or Williams.
I would love to have a true athletic big come in.
One factor may be that Goodwin's scholarship may actually be charged to the football program and not basketball. That would mean both Fran and Kirk sign off on him playing both sports. It may be simpler to just have him play one and leave an open scholarship for the other sport.

 

[sober_teacher]

After thinking about it, I would probably bank the scholarship. That would give us two open for 2017 and we could push for Goodwin and either Tillmon or Williams.
I would love to have a true athletic big come in.
One factor may be that Goodwin's scholarship may actually be charged to the football program and not basketball. That would mean both Fran and Kirk sign off on him playing both sports. It may be simpler to just have him play one and leave an open scholarship for the other sport.

At this point, I think it's vital, Moore or nobody

 

[hooper56]

Apparently the OP thinks it is just like HyVee where you just go pick the player you want off the shelf. Point Guards are in aisle 6. Would you like paper or plastic?

 

[Suterman]

We only have 1 schollie open for 2017, Conner McCaffery has one and the other is open.

 

[SSG T]

After thinking about it, I would probably bank the scholarship. That would give us two open for 2017 and we could push for Goodwin and either Tillmon or Williams.
I would love to have a true athletic big come in.
One factor may be that Goodwin's scholarship may actually be charged to the football program and not basketball. That would mean both Fran and Kirk sign off on him playing both sports. It may be simpler to just have him play one and leave an open scholarship for the other sport.

A grad transfer would still leave a scholarship open for 2017.

 

[gilligan19]

who is this Grad Transfer you are speaking of. the opinion right now is there is NOBODY OUT THERE.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Absolutely it's a good idea.
Problem is the incredibly limited supply.
From all the other postings on the forum about this topic there have only been a handful of names come up.
The odds are low of getting a match with a grad transfer that is of B1G caliber and interested in Iowa.
If Fran finds one, great. Pull the trigger.
I won't be counting on it happening.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I agree with the OP. Not sure if I saw the link in a thread or on ESPN, but there is a comprehensive list of transfers and graduate transfers and there are quite a few programs I would consider to be superior to Iowa that are pursuing these kids. I am not sure why people keep asking "How many quality guys are out there"? I don't know, but we only need one.

Fran had 2-3 years to upgrade the guard play and didn't. He rolled the dice that Gesell / Clemmons would improve and they didn't, at least appreciably, IMO. If Fran doesn't bring somebody in, or at least make a run at a couple guys, and we struggle due to little / no contributions from the 1-2, it is going to be an indictment of his ability to address the needs of the team / accurately evaluate talent.

In the most recent posted interview, Fran said he isn't too keen on graduate transfers, but has to play against them, so he won't rule them out (paraphrasing). He then makes an all too familiar statement about having Williams and Bohannon + other guys who can handle the ball. In light of what we haven't had in the 1-2 spots, I would think Fran would be more aggressive in his pursuit of someone to score and create from the back court.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

I feel for some reason that the bridge's between Charlie Moore and Iowa aren't closed and just maybe with Tyler Cook doing some of the ground work something could get done. If it happens great. He would bring an additional weapon we haven't seen in a long while at Iowa, but if it doesn't it's ok with me too as I have a lot of confidence in the guys( Williams,Moss, and Bohannon) to do the bulk of the ball handling.

 

[DanL53]

I feel for some reason that the bridge's between Charlie Moore and Iowa aren't closed and just maybe with Tyler Cook doing some of the ground work something could get done. If it happens great. He would bring an additional weapon we haven't seen in a long while at Iowa, but if it doesn't it's ok with me too as I have a lot of confidence in the guys( Williams,Moss, and Bohannon) to do the bulk of the ball handling.

I don't hold out much hope to get Moore but would love it if we did. We'd go, imo, from a very good young group of guards to an outstanding young group of guards.

That of course, is how recruiting often goes...always wanting just a little bit more.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

As I said Dan I like what we have and the article that said Moore was asking questions about Iowa to Tyler gave me a bit of guarded optimism. But yeah more like a window crack than a door opening but who knows

 

[hooper56]

Gesell ended his career with a higher assist/turnover ratio than any point guard we have had at Iowa in 20 years. But I see someone has already said Fran didn't develop his guards. Unbelievable. If you don't see what great players Fran built Sapp and Mike into then I have nothing to say to you.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Fran has already said that they are open to getting a grad transfer, if the right player, who could contribute immediately, were available. He even said it would be a backcourt player. As others have said, there are not a bunch of these guys out there, and competition will be tough for those who could be major contributors. Fran knows what he already has far better than we do.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Apparently the OP thinks it is just like HyVee where you just go pick the player you want off the shelf. Point Guards are in aisle 6. Would you like paper or plastic?

My goodness hoop this was good and funny.....and Fran knows what he is doing Hansen...you either trust him or you don't and I do.

I don't hold out much hope to get Moore but would love it if we did. We'd go, imo, from a very good young group of guards to an outstanding young group of guards.

That of course, is how recruiting often goes...always wanting just a little bit more.

And like Dan is saying....we may have some young guards next year...

I just saw this vid on Jordan Bohannon vs Iowa City West (talented team) and it was on YouTube so I hope it's OK to share...

But their is some very solid point guard play here, excellent play by Jordan. I really like what he is going to bring to that position. First, he has a killer outside jumper, man have we lacked this for that position...this is huge and watch how he knocks down those shots....but he is more than that....much more.

Point is...both he and Christian Williams are EXCELLENT talents and like Dan said...we may be stuck with 2 outstanding young guards......imo. I am OK with that....it happens.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Might not have great quickness or size, but Bohannon has a quick, sweet release on his jumper.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Might not have great quickness or size, but Bohannon has a quick, sweet release on his jumper.

People said the same thing about Josh O and Ellingson. Let's see how he plays against college athletes before passing judgement. Given Fran's abysmal recruiting record with guards I'm not all that optimistic, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Maybe Fran finally got it right.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

People said the same thing about Josh O and Ellingson. Let's see how he plays against college athletes before passing judgement. Given Fran's abysmal recruiting record with guards I'm not all that optimistic, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Maybe Fran finally got it right.

I was simply commenting on Bohannon's shooting form. Not sure about his athleticism, but he has a very quick release and beautiful form on his shot. I have no idea how that will work at the next level. I don't think you do either.

Iowa has somehow had pretty decent success in the B1G under Fran, considering how abysmal his recruiting of guards has been. Again, I think you like to make extreme statements that have a degree of truth. Let's see how Williams, Moss, Bohannon, and Ellingson perform next year, before we talk about them as being "abysmal" players.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

I was simply commenting on Bohannon's shooting form. Not sure about his athleticism, but he has a very quick release and beautiful form on his shot. I have no idea how that will work at the next level. I don't think you do either.

Iowa has somehow had pretty decent success in the B1G under Fran, considering how abysmal his recruiting of guards has been. Again, I think you like to make extreme statements that have a degree of truth. Let's see how Williams, Moss, Bohannon, and Ellingson perform next year, before we talk about them as being "abysmal" players.

And I was talking about Josh O and Ellingson's shooting form, and they also had/have quick releases. Unfortunately, it takes more than a quick release or even a good shooting form to be a solid PG in the B1G.

Yes, Fran has had decent success at Iowa thanks to his recruiting at other positions, and being fortunate enough that Uthoff transferred. His recruiting of guards has been very bad. He's also benefitted from retention, which sadly looks like that is even becoming a problem for Fran.

Hey, the guards you listed could turn around Fran's fortune of screwing the pooch in recruiting guards that we've seen so far from him. I'm skeptical Ellingson will ever be much of a contributor given his lack of athleticism and his porous defense. I don't make "extreme statements", I make honest and truthful ones, because I'm capable of being objective. It's possible Fran has reversed his recruiting guard woes, we just have zero evidence that this has happened at THIS time. I'll be the first to say the worm has turned if these players do pan out just like I was the first to say that Kirk's clock management last season was the best in his time at Iowa. You deal with the facts as they are at the time, not what they could be in the future.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

And I was talking about Josh O and Ellingson's shooting form, and they also had/have quick releases. Unfortunately, it takes more than a quick release or even a good shooting form to be a solid PG in the B1G.

Yes, Fran has had decent success at Iowa thanks to his recruiting at other positions, and being fortunate enough that Uthoff transferred. His recruiting of guards has been very bad. He's also benefitted from retention, which sadly looks like that is even becoming a problem for Fran.

Hey, the guards you listed could turn around Fran's fortune of screwing the pooch in recruiting guards that we've seen so far from him. I'm skeptical Ellingson will ever be much of a contributor given his lack of athleticism and his porous defense. I don't make "extreme statements", I make honest and truthful ones, because I'm capable of being objective. It's possible Fran has reversed his recruiting guard woes, we just have zero evidence that this has happened at THIS time. I'll be the first to say the worm has turned if these players do pan out just like I was the first to say that Kirk's clock management last season was the best in his time at Iowa. You deal with the facts as they are at the time, not what they could be in the future.

Maybe Fran should hire you as his recruiting coordinator and strategist for developing game plans. Iowa would be instantly competing with UK, Kansas, and NC for top recruits, and going to final fours regularly.

 

[gilligan19]

And I was talking about Josh O and Ellingson's shooting form, and they also had/have quick releases. Unfortunately, it takes more than a quick release or even a good shooting form to be a solid PG in the B1G.

Yes, Fran has had decent success at Iowa thanks to his recruiting at other positions, and being fortunate enough that Uthoff transferred. His recruiting of guards has been very bad. He's also benefitted from retention, which sadly looks like that is even becoming a problem for Fran.

Hey, the guards you listed could turn around Fran's fortune of screwing the pooch in recruiting guards that we've seen so far from him. I'm skeptical Ellingson will ever be much of a contributor given his lack of athleticism and his porous defense. I don't make "extreme statements", I make honest and truthful ones, because I'm capable of being objective. It's possible Fran has reversed his recruiting guard woes, we just have zero evidence that this has happened at THIS time. I'll be the first to say the worm has turned if these players do pan out just like I was the first to say that Kirk's clock management last season was the best in his time at Iowa. You deal with the facts as they are at the time, not what they could be in the future.

you mean like calling JO and BE PG's being truthful and honest, can't even get the positions right to bash Fran on his recruiting, 89 wins for the 3rd highest win total in over 100 years of IA BB. back to back 12-6 and T-3rd in the BT, I would say that Fran has done one heck of a job with a lousy PG in Gesell.

if you don't like it go follow Kentucky.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

you mean like calling JO and BE PG's being truthful and honest, can't even get the positions right to bash Fran on his recruiting, 89 wins for the 3rd highest win total in over 100 years of IA BB. back to back 12-6 and T-3rd in the BT, I would say that Fran has done one heck of a job with a lousy PG in Gesell.

if you don't like it go follow Kentucky.

I never claimed they were PG's. I'll stick around because I'm a true Hawkeye fan and someone has to bring the truth to your make believe world.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Maybe Fran should hire you as his recruiting coordinator and strategist for developing game plans. Iowa would be instantly competing with UK, Kansas, and NC for top recruits, and going to final fours regularly.

Fran couldn't afford me.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Fran couldn't afford me.

Nor could Iowa basketball, and I don't mean finanacially

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Nor could Iowa basketball, and I don't mean finanacially

True, because they aren't interested in winning or taking the program to the next level. I don't settle for "good enough".