How Bad Was COVID Before the Vaccines?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

WARNING: Not safe for people allergic to real data.

Estimates of SARS-CoV-2 Hospitalization and Fatality Rates in the Prevaccination Period, United States

SARS-CoV-2 Hospitalization and Fatality Rates

wwwnc.cdc.gov

The finding are briefly summarized at this point in the latest TWIV video, for those who prefer that medium.

 

[Jan Itor]

WARNING: Not safe for people allergic to real data.

Estimates of SARS-CoV-2 Hospitalization and Fatality Rates in the Prevaccination Period, United States

SARS-CoV-2 Hospitalization and Fatality Rates

wwwnc.cdc.gov

The finding are briefly summarized at this point in the latest TWIV video, for those who prefer that medium.

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Thanks Trump for operation warp speed.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Thanks Trump for operation warp speed.

Lol for claiming you're not a Trumper you absolutely are. It's absolutely pathetic.

 

[alaskanseminole]

 

[hawkedoff]

Anyone that believes anything now being pushed as a positive about the vaccines is a moron.

They lied.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Thanks Trump for operation warp speed.

You honestly believe Trump had anything to do with that? I’ll thank him because - for ONCE - he listened to the experts. He then spent months undermining their work. So he spent every cent of that goodwill.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Anyone that believes anything now being pushed as a positive about the vaccines is a moron.

They lied.

Suppose another pandemic hits this December, with a similar early mortality profile.

What would you do differently?

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Anyone that believes anything now being pushed as a positive about the vaccines is a moron.

They lied.

Anyone who believes a single word you post is a moran. Spell it HORT right.

 

[tumorboy]

Anyone that believes anything now being pushed as a positive about the vaccines is a moron.

They lied.

Since Trump was in charge. You want hung next to Fauci correct.

 

[hawkedoff]

Since Trump was in charge. You want hung next to Fauci correct.

You are a moron

 

[ButtersHawk]

I have an idea. Next pandemic instead of forcing people to take a shot that was developed in 12 seconds while also lying about its effectiveness let people decide if they want that shot or not.
After that lets not vilify anyone if they got it or not. Also let kids go to school and let people visit their families.
Good? Good? Good.

 

[fsu1jreed]

I have an idea. Next pandemic instead of forcing people to take a shot that was developed in 12 seconds while also lying about its effectiveness let people decide if they want that shot or not.
After that lets not vilify anyone if they got it or not. Also let kids go to school and let people visit their families.
Good? Good? Good.

Lol...holy shit. Please dear baby Jesus...

 

[ButtersHawk]

Lol...holy shit. Please dear baby Jesus...

What's wrong about letting people decide for themselves?

 

[fsu1jreed]

What's wrong about letting people decide for themselves?

Do you think COVID was your average pandemic?

 

[ButtersHawk]

Do you think COVID was your average pandemic?

I don't care if it was below average or above average. People shouldn't be forced to do anything and everyone should be respectful of it.

 

[fsu1jreed]

I don't care if it was below average or above average. People shouldn't be forced to do anything and everyone should be respectful of it.

Not when it affects other people and possibly our whole civilization

 

[Derekd3408]

I don't care if it was below average or above average. People shouldn't be forced to do anything and everyone should be respectful of it.

Your body your choice, until I don't agree with your choice. The lefties here.

 

[ButtersHawk]

Not when it affects other people and possibly our whole civilization

Do you bring that same energy when someone doesn't get a flu shot?
Do you ask them for verification of their flu shot?
Do you tell them if they didn't they need to stay home and not attend a lived one's funeral?
Do you tell them that they can't go to work for not getting a flu shot?
Do you tell them they can't travel if they didn't get a flu shot?

 

[fsu1jreed]

Do you bring that same energy when someone doesn't get a flu shot?
Do you ask them for verification of their flu shot?
Do you tell them if they didn't they need to stay home and not attend a lived one's funeral?
Do you tell them that they can't go to work for not getting a flu shot?
Do you tell them they can't travel if they didn't get a flu shot?

Holy shit...lol. we got fvcking luck with COVID, that it was just slightly worse than your average flu, if it had been anything close to the Spanish Flu it would have got ugly, really ugly.

 

[ButtersHawk]

Holy shit...lol. we got fvcking luck with COVID, that it was just slightly worse than your average flu, if it had been anything close to the Spanish Flu it would have got ugly, really ugly.

Dude you realize im not even disagreeing with you right? I'm just saying let people make their own decision and leave it be.

 

[Funky Bunch]

I have an idea. Next pandemic instead of forcing people to take a shot that was developed in 12 seconds while also lying about its effectiveness let people decide if they want that shot or not.
After that lets not vilify anyone if they got it or not. Also let kids go to school and let people visit their families.
Good? Good? Good.

I'd be okay with that. As long as you'd need to show proof of being vaxxed to be admitted to the hospital for whatever pandemic virus it is.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Holy shit...lol. we got fvcking luck with COVID, that it was just slightly worse than your average flu, if it had been anything close to the Spanish Flu it would have got ugly, really ugly.

But it didn't. And public policy should mirror the level if threat we face. We went full on shut down the planet rather than escalating the response based on data or science.

 

[KFsdisciple]

I'd be okay with that. As long as you'd need to show proof of being vaxxed to be admitted to the hospital for whatever pandemic virus it is.

Yes we shouldn't treat your broken arm because you didn't take the experimental vaccine. That makes total sense.

 

[Funky Bunch]

Yes we shouldn't treat your broken arm because you didn't take the experimental vaccine. That makes total sense.

"admitted to the hospital for whatever pandemic virus it is"

You could still get treated for your broken arm. You could also get reading lessons.

 

[fsu1jreed]

But it didn't. And public policy should mirror the level if threat we face. We went full on shut down the planet rather than escalating the response based on data or science.

We didn't know that till AFTER the fact...by the time we did, it would have been far too late if it would have been super deadly. With things like this, always best to assume it's the worst case scenario...it's always best err on the side of caution. Trust me, all the negatives from COVID combined is the very best case scenario with respect to shit like this.

 

[mthawkeyes]

Dude you realize im not even disagreeing with you right? I'm just saying let people make their own decision and leave it be.

I'm good with this. And it should be reflected in the health insurance rates that people pay.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Dude you realize im not even disagreeing with you right? I'm just saying let people make their own decision and leave it be.

No, not with stuff like this...you had people that think, my home health nurse for example, they put graphene in the vaccines so when turned on 5G it would made us easily controllable. This was an educated woman in the health field that believed that stupid shit.

She also believed the Earth is flat, outer space doesn't exist, chemtrails, etc.

The way I see it, choice like that ends when it can even remotely impact my life. And if vice versa, I understand

 

[KFsdisciple]

We didn't know that till AFTER the fact...by the time we did, it would have been far too late if it would have been super deadly. With things like this, always best to assume it's the worst case scenario...it's always best err on the side of caution. Trust me, all the negatives from COVID combined is the very best case scenario with respect to shit like this.

We just have a philosophical difference. I believe in incremental eradication of freedoms. I would hope one of the lessons from covid was don't go nuclear as the first option.

I would have stopped international travel as step one, and limited interstate travel within the US as step 2.

 

[ButtersHawk]

No, not with stuff like this...you had people that think, my home health nurse for example, they put graphene in the vaccines so when turned on 5G it would made us easily controllable. This was an educated woman in the health field that believed that stupid shit.

She also believed the Earth is flat, outer space doesn't exist, chemtrails, etc.

The way I see it, choice like that ends when it can even remotely impact my life. And if vice versa, I understand

That's unfortunate she's an idiot.
BUTTTTT some people figured they were healthy and they didn't want the shot. Doesn't mean they were stupid

 

[KFsdisciple]

Bvn

 

[artradley]

I don't care if it was below average or above average. People shouldn't be forced to do anything and everyone should be respectful of it.

Nobody should respect stupidity.

 

[artradley]

That's unfortunate she's an idiot.
BUTTTTT some people figured they were healthy and they didn't want the shot. Doesn't mean they were stupid

Healthy means you likely wouldn’t get very sick. But you could still pass it on to others. Perhaps rather than stupid we could call it reckless?

 

[fsu1jreed]

Healthy means you likely wouldn’t get very sick. But you could still pass it on to others. Perhaps rather than stupid we could call it reckless?

Reckless, selfishness, short sidedness, etc. Whatever you want to call it, we should be smarter as a species than that

 

[Scruddy]

Lol for claiming you're not a Trumper you absolutely are. It's absolutely pathetic.

How many trump jabs have you gotten? 5? 6?

 

[ButtersHawk]

Healthy means you likely wouldn’t get very sick. But you could still pass it on to others. Perhaps rather than stupid we could call it reckless?

Does the vaccine fully 100% protect you from getting it?

 

[Scruddy]

Does the vaccine fully 100% protect you from getting it?

Does it 1% protect you from getting it?

 

[sober_teacher]

But it didn't. And public policy should mirror the level if threat we face. We went full on shut down the planet rather than escalating the response based on data or science.

There's alot of things in hindsight that we could have done differently/better at the outset of the pandemic...HAD WE KNOWN THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW.

I have zero issue - given how little was known in spring of '20, with shutting down schools thru the end of the school year, and the initial wave of lockdowns that were meant to slow the spread, and hopefully buy time for vaccines/effective treatment options to come along.

There was very little conclusion data at that time - and much of what was available was being manipulated to support whichever stance person X took. The near-total lack of coordination b/t local, state and federal officials; from Trump on down created the atmosphere for misinformation and panic to control the narrative. the daily pressers quickly became a joke as the medical experts seemingly spent 75% of their time cleaning up crap that Trump said.

 

[sober_teacher]

Does the vaccine fully 100% protect you from getting it?

Very few vaccines are 100% effective. I suspect you know that.

The initial vaccines WERE very effective against the virus strain they were created for...and became less so as the virus mutated.

 

[ButtersHawk]

Very few vaccines are 100% effective. I suspect you know that.

The initial vaccines WERE very effective against the virus strain they were created for...and became less so as the virus mutated.

Yes so my point is not only is this vaccine not 100% effective but it also has documented side effects attached to it.
So based off that alone why should someone be demonized for not wanting to take it?

 

[Scruddy]

There's alot of things in hindsight that we could have done differently/better at the outset of the pandemic...HAD WE KNOWN THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW.

I have zero issue - given how little was known in spring of '20, with shutting down schools thru the end of the school year, and the initial wave of lockdowns that were meant to slow the spread, and hopefully buy time for vaccines/effective treatment options to come along.

There was very little conclusion data at that time - and much of what was available was being manipulated to support whichever stance person X took. The near-total lack of coordination b/t local, state and federal officials; from Trump on down created the atmosphere for misinformation and panic to control the narrative. the daily pressers quickly became a joke as the medical experts seemingly spent 75% of their time cleaning up crap that Trump said.

Hindsight doesn't excuse the left's totalitarian behavior during the covid years.