How big of a project IS Josh O?
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I’ll make ya a deal. When this big recruiting miss does something in the MAAC then you can come back here with a big I told ya so….until then stfu about a kid who’s riding the pine at Iona.
love the degree of certainty that some have that Josh shouldn't get 3-5 minute run during a game. What could he possibly hurt, other than some certain peoples pt.
Hey, guys. Iowa really needs the kid who can’t get minutes at Iona. Just imagine if he was riding the pine at Iowa instead of Iona. Shocking!
I was referring to the recruiting battle that's it. I don't care if the kid is good or not now, it doesn't matter. At the time it was a battle that Iowa should have won. That's what I was asking if you had an opinion on but you want to continue to go on this route. That extra scoop of metamucil this morning really gave you the power to take today by the horns.
You mean that we can't blame McCaffery for kids he missed on that are busts at other schools? That is shocking!
Shit happens. The Kentucky angle was apparently more important to the kid than playing in a power league. Iowa has a similar sized kid sitting on the bench. Hopefully it works out.
Hey, I'm with you brother, why stop at 3 to 5 minutes. You might as well see for yourself how skilled he is.
Who knows maybe my assessment of his abilities is way off and if we lose another game because Fran starts the younger players it's not going to effect the rest of the season....it's already fooked.
Outside of K Murray… how many of our starters would be starters at other P5s? Curious your two cents? Maybe PMac?
Don't know and I would not try to guess. Your assessment maybe accurate and maybe not. With the right coach we don't know how Ahron Ulis or Tony Perkins, or Payton Sandford, or Joe Toussaint, or Kris Murray, or Riley Mulvey, or even Patrick McCaffery would do in a program that had a coach and coaching staff that cared about the fundamentals of playing the game.
Crazy to think we had four NBA players (including Kris) on the roster last year. No research on my end but does that top the Big 10?
The problem is Fran has probably already seen how skilled, overweight and out of shape he is in practice.
What does that matter? Fan's are clamoring for Fran to do something to stem the tide of Iowa's poor rebounding that has plagued the team this season and they feel that Josh is the answer. It doesn't matter if the eye test says that he's not ready for prime time, only that he played 6 minutes at Purdue against their 2 all Big Ten centers and did pretty well.
They don't remember the other games he appeared in and looked like a different player.
What I would like to see, is Fran to give Riley and Josh some minutes during then last 11 games to give them some experience for next year and who knows maybe one or both of them can help Iowa in the remaining games.
We as fans have seen what Fran has put on the floor for extended minutes and not getting the job done on the boards and keeping Riley and Josh on the bench is not allowing them to see what they can do in game situations which is different then going against your own teammates. Agree or disagree?
Joey T and Patrick would both start on many P5 teams. Filip would start on some P5 teams.
Jordan's regression wasn't expected but coming off last season a lot of teams would have started Jordan.
I’ve seen nothing that says he can play limited minutes to see if he can have a positive effect on the game. The same minutes jbo and conner should get.
It's also shocking that Fran recruits a big man from Connecticut, the kid reclassifies to come to Iowa this last summer has a few good offers besides Iowa including Syracuse, the kid is 6-11, 240+ and he does positive things when on the court and Fran decides to waste a year of eligibility by not playing him in multiple games that Iowa could use his height, screening ability, rebounding, and defense and Fran would rather have Connor get stuck playing against Big Ten Centers.
Really! If the kid is that much of a project in Frans eyes, why didn't he redshirt him instead of playing him and wasting a year of eligibility and yes I know about the player has to want to redshirt, but isn't Fran the head coach and is support to counsel these players on what's good for them telling them that he won't see any playing time this year. If Riley gets 1 minute of playing time Fran should at least play him and give him some playing experience. JMHO.
That's what pisses me off more then anything, he also did the same thing with Gabe Olasene. The results of this missed season is directly related to Fran stubbornness in not putting players in position to succeed and playing players that have struggled far to long to maintain starter status.
I always thought coaches were hired to teach and be there during games to limit the ability of players to losing games, but Fran without the help of his players loses 4 or5 games every year all by himself with his coaching blunders.
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This has been explained to you at least a billion times….the player makes the decision on the RS, not Fran.
Very true. I wonder what type of information they use to make that decision…. If I am told that I will be in good position to compete for playing time when making that decision I believe I will be good enough to get that time I don’t redshirt. If I am told that I may get some spare minutes when others get in foul trouble or injuries occur then maybe I redshirt. I wonder who gives that information?
I have tons of questions about Fran's personnel management and Mulvey might end being a very good player someday but I'm not sure that we have seen enough of Mulvey to believe that he would have a positive impact on things today. This sounds more like a backup quarterback discussion. The guy we have out there isn't very good so the backup who hasn't played more than a few snaps in mop up duty must be better. If only...
I was hoping Josh could be the next Gabe O. Instead, he's not even at the level of a Dom Uhl. Mulvey will be ahead of him and receiving solid minutes this next season.
Gabe was not much until his junior year., and he had 2 relatively normal years his first 2 years. Josh is only a redshirt freshman, why are some writing him off already? He'll be a totally different player by the end of his sophomore year.
I was excited about Josh O but I have not seen the development and desire that I expected from him. I would guess he will move on next year and find a place where he can play. Just does not seem mobile enough for Iowa's system. I have heard very good things about Mulvey in practice though. He is not strong enough right now but he will be next year. I understand he has made great strides.
I'm curious as to what all of you think you know about josh's development if you never see him play.
In another HAVE TO performance from fran:
His only game with significant playing time 16 against purdue: he was 3-4 from the field 1-3 from the line, had 5 rebounds, and 1 turnover. This was against 2 of the best bigs in the country.
So again, how can you say with any degree of accuracy there has been no development. I can suggest what would happen if josh does have to play the five and kris has to play somewhere else.......
In another HAVE TO performance from fran:
His only game with significant playing time 16 against purdue: he was 3-4 from the field 1-3 from the line, had 5 rebounds, and 1 turnover. This was against 2 of the best bigs in the country.
So again, how can you say with any degree of accuracy there has been no development. I can suggest what would happen if josh does have to play the five and kris has to play somewhere else.......
Why would FM not give Mulvey some playing time? Is he that thin and awkward that he doesn't merit PT? If so, just awful recruiting.
It does seem a bit strange if on one hand it's all the players decision as to redshirting, which some have posted is the case, and yet there is a player who intentionally came in earlier than planned to sit on the bench. I think the bulk of the responsibility is on the coach to be as clear as possible with an 18 year old as to his likelihood for playing time. It's hard to see how this isn't just a wasted year of eligibility.
As for Josh, he just hasn't come around nearly enough for the amount of time that he's been in the program to this point. He has shown a few flashes of decent defensive post play against some good conference big men this year. But a few isolated moments is it. And they're offset by more times when he is lost and out of position. Maybe he likes being at the U of I and sticks around as a good teammate and supporter. Maybe he moves elsewhere to a lower level to play. Him being a significant contributor next year might happen but I'm not seeing it as likely.
As for Josh, he just hasn't come around nearly enough for the amount of time that he's been in the program to this point. He has shown a few flashes of decent defensive post play against some good conference big men this year. But a few isolated moments is it. And they're offset by more times when he is lost and out of position. Maybe he likes being at the U of I and sticks around as a good teammate and supporter. Maybe he moves elsewhere to a lower level to play. Him being a significant contributor next year might happen but I'm not seeing it as likely.
I bet they're all breathing a sigh of relief, Josh is a big boy, but to get the max out of Josh, Fran and his staff are going to have to work miracles of biblical proportions.Rutgers, Providence, Iona (), Cincinnati and Bradley, among others.
What does this mean? What are you seeing to suggest that? It's hard to base anything off of 5 games of 2 minutes.
I'm not even saying he is good but you could say that just as much at the bolded above.
And before anyone suggests it:
There is nothing I have seen from fran that suggests playing time is based on talent or logic.
I mean, people are trying to be delicate and respectful since he’s a Hawkeye but if you need it spelled out for you…..he’s fat and out of shape. That points to a work ethic or motivation issue. He has all the resources in the world to get into shape yet here we are.
Explain to me where you saw this in the 15 minutes he played against purdue. Or in the 2 minutes he played almost everywhere else.
Meh, please. Josh is not ready for more than 5 mins a game at this point. He clearly has some ability and agility for his size but he makes me think much more of a guy who is on the team just to be around his buddies and have fun and not be too serious about success or busting his tail to achieve.
Not true. He's a redshirt freshman. He is just starting to grasp the game. Bigs take longer, especially those who come from overseas.
Look at Gabe Olaseni - people were writing him off until his Junior year. He played fewer minutes than Andrew Brommer and Devon Archie as a freshman and, as a sophomore, played fewer minutes than all other scholarship players who weren't redshirting. People were questioning why he even played. He was often referred to as a waste of a scholarship and an example of poor player development. LOL! The light came on in his junior year. He went on to become the B1G 6th man of the year as a senior.
Not saying that Josh will follow this path but he certainly deserves more time.
Do you speak anything other than the truth?
I agree with you. Josh admitted that he let himself go when covid broke out in March 2020 and when he was stuck in England, even though coaches were giving him work outs so that he could/SHOULD stay in shape.
He then arrived in Iowa City in Aug 2020 and had significant weight to lose. When Jack went down last season with a season ending injury we could have used Josh when Luka needed a breather. Since Josh was completely out of shape, he was not available; Josh admitted he felt bad in not being able to help the team last season.
For the last 18 months while in Iowa City he has had access to in person strength and conditioning and unlimited healthy food. Yet, like you said, here we are.
