How the American Right Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Russia

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Well, this is encouraging:

“White supremacy, neo-Nazism, hate speech and bigotry are disgusting and do not have a home in the Republican Party," RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said."

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene criticized for speaking at white nationalist conference

Marjorie Taylor Greene said she did not know the views of the delegates at the conference and did not apologize for speaking there.

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Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., also appeared by video at the event.

"As Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene and Rep Paul Gosar speak at this white supremacist, anti-Semitic, pro-Putin event, silence by Republican Party leaders is deafening and enabling," Cheney tweeted. "All Americans should renounce this garbage and reject the Putin wing of the GOP now."

For the record MTG is another person along with Bobert who just suggested we needed to liberate Canada who won't be losing their seats in November.

In fact I would say that they are both more likely to be vice president than lose their seats in November.

 

[IA_HAWKI]

Progressive leftism is just too much for them to bear.

these people weren’t going to vote for a democrat over trump either way, regardless of how moderate the candidate actually is.

anybody with a brain knew that the progressive things Biden were campaigning on weren’t going to go anywhere.

“Turn georgia blue” they said, “we can push forward all these progressive policies” they said and they predictably abandoned those policies when they got elected.

bidens a corporate democrat, and anybody who thought he was a progressive leftist is dumb or disingenious and as long as the radical right keeps putting on the socialist, communist, marxist label on any dem candidate, those idiots will vote for Trump each and every damn time.

 

[cigaretteman]

these people weren’t going to vote for a democrat over trump either way, regardless of how moderate the candidate actually is.

anybody with a brain knew that the progressive things Biden were campaigning on weren’t going to go anywhere.

“Turn georgia blue” they said, “we can push forward all these progressive policies” they said and they predictably abandoned those policies when they got elected.

bidens a corporate democrat, and anybody who thought he was a progressive leftist is dumb or disingenious and as long as the radical right keeps putting on the socialist, communist, marxist label on any dem candidate, those idiots will vote for Trump each and every damn time.

Sad but true.

 

[kwik44]

Every iowa politician has come out with support for Ukraine. I would not vote for Trump again, so which votes are you speaking to? I have never watched Tucker Carlson. So I guess I don't know what more you expect. I suspect you are falling for the narrative that the left, especially the left on this board, is trying to spread.

It's become too easy to spread false narratives that it becomes second nature.

 

[alaskanseminole]

these people weren’t going to vote for a democrat over trump either way, regardless of how moderate the candidate actually is.

anybody with a brain knew that the progressive things Biden were campaigning on weren’t going to go anywhere.

“Turn georgia blue” they said, “we can push forward all these progressive policies” they said and they predictably abandoned those policies when they got elected.

bidens a corporate democrat, and anybody who thought he was a progressive leftist is dumb or disingenious and as long as the radical right keeps putting on the socialist, communist, marxist label on any dem candidate, those idiots will vote for Trump each and every damn time.

Their fear outweighs logic and reasoning. "Biden is just a figure head. He may be moderate, but he's too old to resist his party's far-left agendas. Kamala is the real president."

Kind of a similar take that Hilary was the real president and Bill was just along for the ride. That narrative works when it's convenient, though, because Kamala also does nothing (at the same time that she's doing everything). I get confused trying to keep up with all of it. LOL

 

[Rudolph]

It's become too easy to spread false narratives that it becomes second nature.

The slide into an affinity for autocratic stuff is not false. Once again, Trump was no accident. You may not like what’s being revealed… too bad.

 

[BrunoMars420]

So Tucker avgerages around 4.5 million viewers and the Republicans received 74 millions votes which is around 16% of those votes. I’m not sure how many of those actually vote but let’s say it’s 100% of the viewers do and are Republican and believe this crap. You are painting a whole party where 84% of the people that voted for the right in 2020 as Tucker Carlson types that believe everything that comes out of his mouth and Fox News.

Keep it up Democrats, you are converting so many voters by doing this!

 

[pablow]

So basically 80% of Republicans are now going to pretend that their entire party didn't love Vladimir Putin right up until the tanks started rolling into Ukraine.

Shoot some of their mouthpieces still havn't stopped praising Putin.

If you believe this you are truly out to lunch. I don't know a single person that ever supported Putin, including my Russian sister-in-law. What garbage.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

So Tucker avgerages around 4.5 million viewers and the Republicans received 74 millions votes which is around 16% of those votes. I’m not sure how many of those actually vote but let’s say it’s 100% of the viewers do and are Republican and believe this crap. You are painting a whole party where 84% of the people that voted for the right in 2020 as Tucker Carlson types that believe everything that comes out of his mouth and Fox News.

Keep it up Democrats, you are converting so many voters by doing this!

74 million Republicans voted for Donald Trump who was also known for praising Putin.

In fact the 2016 Republican platform was a carbon copy of the 2012 platform except for all the parts about standing up to Russia.

Up until 5 days ago the Republicans loved Russia. Their mouthpieces spoke that way and THEY VOTED THAT WAY.

74 MILLION REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A MAN WHO PRAISED THE WAY PUTIN RAN RUSSIA.

 

[Rudolph]

So Tucker avgerages around 4.5 million viewers and the Republicans received 74 millions votes which is around 16% of those votes. I’m not sure how many of those actually vote but let’s say it’s 100% of the viewers do and are Republican and believe this crap. You are painting a whole party where 84% of the people that voted for the right in 2020 as Tucker Carlson types that believe everything that comes out of his mouth and Fox News.

Keep it up Democrats, you are converting so many voters by doing this!

Lol.

 

[BrunoMars420]

74 million Republicans voted for Donald Trump who was also known for praising Putin.

In fact the 2016 Republican platform was a carbon copy of the 2012 platform except for all the parts about standing up to Russia.

Up until 5 days ago the Republicans loved Russia. Their mouthpieces spoke that way and THEY VOTED THAT WAY.

74 MILLION REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A MAN WHO PRAISED THE WAY PUTIN RAN RUSSIA.

So you are under the assumption that 74 million people are pro Russian? I can give a lot of other reasons why they probably voted for trump over Biden and none of them have anything to do with Russia. Russia was a complete afterthought to both parties. With that being said I will agree there is more Putin sympathy from the far right. But I do believe a lot of the people that voted for trump hate what is going on in Ukraine and are anti putin. Hell, I would say a lot of peoples minds have changed about NATO including myself.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

So you are under the assumption that 74 million people are pro Russian? I can give a lot of other reasons why they probably voted for trump over Biden and none of them have anything to do with Russia. Russia was a complete afterthought to both parties. With that being said I will agree there is more Putin sympathy from the far right. But I do believe a lot of the people that voted for trump hate what is going on in Ukraine and are anti putin. Hell, I would say a lot of peoples minds have changed about NATO including myself.

We will see how long those minds are changed. My guess is not long when Donald Trump wins the 2024 Republican nomination. He likely then selects MTG or Bobert as his running mate.

 

[BrunoMars420]

We will see how long those minds are changed. My guess is not long when Donald Trump wins the 2024 Republican nomination. He likely then selects MTG or Bobert as his running mate.

I was watching an interview with Larry Hogan the governor of Maryland who is Anti Trump and there was a CNN poll stating “To be clear: Those Republicans uninterested in falling in line behind Trump -- and his outrageous and false claims that the 2020 election was stolen -- are not a majority of the current party. In a CNN poll released over the weekend, 54% of Republicans and 55% of self-identified conservatives said they preferred Trump as the party nominee in 2024.”

There is progress as time moves on. I think and hope by the time 2024 gets here the Republican landscape will be totally different.

 

[Rudolph]

I was watching an interview with Larry Hogan the governor of Maryland who is Anti Trump and there was a CNN poll stating “To be clear: Those Republicans uninterested in falling in line behind Trump -- and his outrageous and false claims that the 2020 election was stolen -- are not a majority of the current party. In a CNN poll released over the weekend, 54% of Republicans and 55% of self-identified conservatives said they preferred Trump as the party nominee in 2024.”

There is progress as time moves on. I think and hope by the time 2024 gets here the Republican landscape will be totally different.

Question remains what is in the R psyche that elevated and then elected Trump. Democrats are not to blame for that. Plenty of candidates… Trump. Not Kasich, the centrist(ish) guy who wants to address issues with policy. Trump, who just wants to scapegoat and blame and flame hatred of the other.

And this psyche remains. Because the messaging keels drumbeating—no matter what, Ds are worse. Worse, even, than Putin, as Tucker’s argument implies.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Question remains what is in the R psyche that elevated and then elected Trump. Democrats are not to blame for that. Plenty of candidates… Trump. Not Kasich, the centrist(ish) guy who wants to address issues with policy. Trump, who just wants to scapegoat and blame and flame hatred of the other.

And this psyche remains. Because the messaging keels drumbeating—no matter what, Ds are worse. Worse, even, than Putin, as Tucker’s argument implies.

Actually, Michael Moore captured what got Trump elected the first time very well. IMO if the far left voice wasn't so magnified maybe some of the more moderate cons wouldn't be so quick to throw a fear vote towards Trump. Hell, just look at how Biden was elected. It isn't because he was a great candidate, it's simply because he wasn't Trump.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Question remains what is in the R psyche that elevated and then elected Trump. Democrats are not to blame for that. Plenty of candidates… Trump. Not Kasich, the centrist(ish) guy who wants to address issues with policy. Trump, who just wants to scapegoat and blame and flame hatred of the other.

And this psyche remains. Because the messaging keels drumbeating—no matter what, Ds are worse. Worse, even, than Putin, as Tucker’s argument implies.

You mix the algorithm with uneducated voters and you get what happened and is still happening on the right.

 

[Rudolph]

Actually, Michael Moore captured what got Trump elected the first time very well. IMO if the far left voice wasn't so magnified maybe some of the more moderate cons wouldn't be so quick to throw a fear vote towards Trump. Hell, just look at how Biden was elected. It isn't because he was a great candidate, it's simply because he wasn't Trump.

Cherrypicking. Moore has said an awful lot that explains the rise of xenophobia and authoritarian fetishing.

 

[Rudolph]

You mix the algorithm with uneducated voters and you get what happened and is still happening on the right.

Okay keep dodging. I’ve gone to great lengths to explain some of this. You and others who affiliate Right just don’t want to accept it. Tired of it. A lot of overlap with what you’re referencing re: Moore.

It is what it is. Anxieties are real and peoples reactions are hardly unprecedented.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Okay keep dodging. I’ve gone to great lengths to explain some of this. You and others who affiliate Right just don’t want to accept it. Tired of it. A lot of overlap with what you’re referencing re: Moore.

It is what it is. Anxieties are real and peoples reactions are hardly unprecedented.

How am I dodging when I gave my opinionated answer to your open ended question? I guess I should have added the huge nationalism culture in America that thrives on the right is another reason why the right is the way it is

 

[Rudolph]

How am I dodging when I gave my opinionated answer to your open ended question? I guess I should have added the huge nationalism culture in America that thrives on the right is another reason why the right is the way it is

Just keep trying to pass everything off. The Right isn’t the Right because of fuçking trans movement crap.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[swagsurfer02]

Absolutely have lost their ever loving minds

 

[Rudolph]

Absolutely have lost their ever loving minds

Lol. You’re a full-blown simple idiot.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Just keep trying to pass everything off. The Right isn’t the Right because of fuçking trans movement crap.

How am I passing everything off with my answers and when did I mention anything trans haha?

Nationalism, algorithm, and uneducated is why we got trump. There is plenty of information out there to support my position on this.

 

[Rudolph]

How am I passing everything off with my answers and when did I mention anything trans haha?

Nationalism, algorithm, and uneducated is why we got trump. There is plenty of information out there to support my position on this.

Do you understand how algorithms work? They’re fed. And they’re quite revealing, actually.

 

[BrunoMars420]

Do you understand how algorithms work? They’re fed. And they’re quite revealing, actually.

Yes I do Rudolph, I have gone down that rabbit hole

 

[swagsurfer02]

Lol. You’re a full-blown simple idiot.

I’m actually good being on the other side of this argument with you. That’s all, there isn’t any more.

 

[Rudolph]

I’m actually good being on the other side of this argument with you. That’s all, there isn’t any more.

You don’t even know what you’re arguing. It should be clear to you how absurd your original post in this thread is — that is, after I pointed it out for you.

All you know is you hate libs, Swag. That’s it. It matters not that I work with fiscal conservative politicians. You just see “lib” and can’t stomach acknowledging anything by anyone labeled as such.

Damn sad. Serious fragile ego shit.

 

[1inamillion]

these people weren’t going to vote for a democrat over trump either way, regardless of how moderate the candidate actually is.

anybody with a brain knew that the progressive things Biden were campaigning on weren’t going to go anywhere.

“Turn georgia blue” they said, “we can push forward all these progressive policies” they said and they predictably abandoned those policies when they got elected.

bidens a corporate democrat, and anybody who thought he was a progressive leftist is dumb or disingenious and as long as the radical right keeps putting on the socialist, communist, marxist label on any dem candidate, those idiots will vote for Trump each and every damn time.

Biden is a puppet of the far left. He might as well be Bernie. Just look at the policies.

 

[Rudolph]

Biden is a puppet of the far left. He might as well be Bernie. Just look at the policies.

Lol.

 

[IA_HAWKI]

Biden is a puppet of the far left. He might as well be Bernie. Just look at the policies.

Youre one of the dumb or disingenious people i was referencing in my post. I wish Biden was more like Bernie instead ofbacking away from the Bernie type agenda he campaigned and got elected on.

 

[TC Nole OX]

From the big thread

 

[alaskanseminole]

All you know is you hate libs, Swag. That’s it. It matters not that I work with fiscal conservative politicians. You just see “lib” and can’t stomach acknowledging anything by anyone labeled as such.

To that point, I wonder how far conversations would get if everyone dropped the labels and just had straight forward conversations about the issues? Personally, I know I have both conservative and liberal views on certain issues as well as some "meh" stances on issues that aren't as personal to me.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[swagsurfer02]

You don’t even know what you’re arguing. It should be clear to you how absurd your original post in this thread is — that is, after I pointed it out for you.

All you know is you hate libs, Swag. That’s it. It matters not that I work with fiscal conservative politicians. You just see “lib” and can’t stomach acknowledging anything by anyone labeled as such.

Damn sad. Serious fragile ego shit.

Oh I think I stomach libs pretty well. I’ve been on the board for over a decade and have gotten along well with about everyone except a couple posters.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Oh I think I stomach libs pretty well.

This statement in and of itself is telling. It's right up there with "tolerate".

 

[swagsurfer02]

This statement in and of itself is telling. It's right up there with "tolerate".

I just used the term he did.

 

[1inamillion]

Youre one of the dumb or disingenious people i was referencing in my post. I wish Biden was more like Bernie instead ofbacking away from the Bernie type agenda he campaigned and got elected on.

Come on. He is pushing the biggest spending plan in history. An orgasm for the far left. He has no problem with squad promoting defunding the cops. Another far left orgasm . He wants illegal aliens coming in with little resistance. More votes for the libs. Another orgasm. He will not stand in the way of any abortion as long as the mother wants it. What's not to love if you are on the far left.

 

[TC Nole OX]

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[fivecardstud14]

Come on. He is pushing the biggest spending plan in history. An orgasm for the far left. He has no problem with squad promoting defunding the cops. Another far left orgasm . He wants illegal aliens coming in with little resistance. More votes for the libs. Another orgasm. He will not stand in the way of any abortion as long as the mother wants it. What's not to love if you are on the far left.

You can't use orgasm twice. Try coming up with new material. Also LOL at your abortion comment.