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How U.S. sailors almost started a crisis with Iran, and how it was defused

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It was nearly nightfall Tuesday and the two camouflaged U.S. Navy speedboats were off course in the Persian Gulf, possibly taking a shortcut through Iranian waters and apparently running out of gas on their more than 300-mile journey back to base.

When Iranian naval vessels approached, the 10 U.S. sailors aboard the two 50-foot-long riverine boats tried to make a run for it. But one boat developed engine trouble that slowed its escape, and the crew and both craft were quickly seized.

To complicate matters, U.S. officials said Thursday, the Navy crew inexplicably lost all radio and other communications with the 5th Fleet's operations and command center during the tense encounter, leaving the Pentagon in the dark.

The Navy was able to track the missing boats as they were apparently towed to a military pier on Iran's Farsi Island — where the elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps happens to operate a base.

The result was the 16-hour detention of all 10 U.S. crew members by the Iranian military, an incident that provoked international headlines and several rounds of high-level diplomacy before the quiet release of the sailors and their vessels on Wednesday. But while the Pentagon initially appeared to portray the encounter as a case of a simple mechanical malfunction, new details emerged Thursday that suggest otherwise.


The mechanical problems, according to a more complete account from U.S. officials, were only part of a litany of troubles that befell the U.S. Navy that evening in the middle of one of the most volatile waterways in the world.

The situation became only more complicated when a U.S. aircraft carrier task force led by the Harry S. Truman, on patrol in the gulf, quickly launched search helicopters into Iranian airspace. That served to further alarm Tehran, even as U.S. officials began considering a possible rescue operation.

That sparked a frantic series of phone calls between top State Department and Pentagon officials, backed by the White House, and their Iranian counterparts as both sides sought to prevent an apparent accident from escalating into a hostage standoff and a potential armed confrontation.

The eventual release of the Americans — they had been fed and given blankets and were allowed to sail back to a waiting U.S. cruiser with all their equipment — defused the budding crisis. Relieved U.S. officials said the high-level contacts were a side benefit of the intense negotiations that produced the landmark nuclear deal with Tehran last summer.

The Pentagon is investigating whether the crew members were mistreated during their brief detention, why the two boats lost communications, and why they entered waters strictly off limits to U.S. vessels. Iranian media said the boats were more than a mile inside Iran's internationally recognized 12-mile limit.

The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate. ... The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession. - James Stavridis, retired U.S. admiral
"It clearly was a mistake," Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Thursday in an interview with the cable network Fusion. "That much seems clear by now. It was a navigational mistake."

The incident has embarrassed the Pentagon and put the White House on the defensive as President Obama delivered his State of the Union speech and as the first major step of the nuclear deal — the dismantlement of Iran's nuclear infrastructure and the easing of United Nations sanctions — may be just days away.

It also raises questions of whether Iran violated international law by using the detainees for propaganda purposes.

After the release, a video on Iranian television purported to show several Americans kneeling, with their hands clasped behind their heads. Another video showed the U.S. commander of the two boats, later identified as Lt. David Nartker, as he apologized and blamed a navigational error. He did not explain how that occurred.


State Department spokesman John Kirby said Thursday that the video did not violate the Geneva Convention on treatment of prisoners of war, because the U.S. is not at war with Iran. But he made clear his unease.

"The video on the face of it is — it's difficult to watch, and there's no question about that," he told reporters. "And nobody likes to see our sailors in that position. I can't speak for the motivations for why they did it, why they put it out there, if they did it for propaganda purposes, I would — we would certainly join in those that are expressing concerns about that. I mean, that's — you know, that's less than helpful."

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the Obama administration wasn't willing to hold Iran accountable because it is too invested in the nuclear deal.

"The administration is pretending as if nothing out of the ordinary has occurred," he said in a statement. It "places our Navy and Coast Guard vessels and the men and women who sail them at increased risk in the future."

James Stavridis, a retired U.S. admiral and former NATO supreme commander, said Iran had "humiliated" the Americans on camera.

"The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate in my view," he said in a telephone interview. "The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession of guilt or apology to be broadcast. The Iranians' behavior in this situation was completely uncalled for."

The 5th Fleet said that the sailors were unharmed and that they are being debriefed at a U.S. base in Qatar. It may take several days to complete the debriefings and determine what happened, officials said.

Pentagon officials believe the boats, from the Navy's Coastal Riverine Group 1 based in San Diego, were low on gas and heading for a rendezvous with a refueling ship three miles outside the Iranian 12-mile limit.

A sailor may have punched the wrong coordinates into the GPS and they wound up off course. Or the crew members may have taken a shortcut into Iranian waters as they headed for the refueling ship, officials said.

A senior State Department official, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said Washington first got word of the incident about noon Tuesday. It was 8 p.m. in the Persian Gulf.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry and Carter were meeting their Philippine counterparts in one of the ornate diplomatic rooms on the eighth floor of the State Department. Both U.S. officials excused themselves and raced out to investigate.

Kerry already had a phone call scheduled for 12:45 p.m. with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif to talk about the nuclear deal. Kerry reached out first to Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Susan Rice, Obama's national security advisor.

When he spoke to Zarif at 1 p.m., the State Department official said, Kerry told him that the two boats were transiting between Kuwait and their base in Bahrain, home port of the 5th Fleet, when the Navy "lost communication with them." They were now docked at Farsi Island.

Kerry made clear, the official said, that the most important priority was that the sailors be released "safely and unharmed and as quickly as possible."

"If we are able to do this in the right way, we can make this into what will be a good story for both of us," Kerry told Zarif, according to the official.

The Pentagon also was reaching out on a separate channel of communications between 5th Fleet and Iranian authorities.

"We're thinking, 'Oh my gosh, we lost comms. Are they in distress?'" a Pentagon official said. "So we're going to do all we can to find them, starting at the last point at which you track them."

After the diplomats got involved, the Navy called back its helicopters to avoid complicating the effort to release the sailors, another official said.

Operating from his seventh-floor office, Kerry spoke to Zarif again at 2 p.m. The Iranian diplomat assured him he was trying to gather information and "that he agreed with the imperative of getting this resolved as soon as possible," the State Department official said.

In another call, about 3:15 p.m., Zarif told Kerry that he had been informed that the sailors "would be free to go at dawn" because it was not safe for them to leave in the middle of the night.

In the end, the sailors were released much later — about 11:45 a.m. local time. They quickly sailed back into international waters — one boat still with a bum engine — and were picked up by the Navy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-sailors-iran-20160114-story.html
 
Republicans were in such a tizzy when this started. Presidential candidates swaggering around demanding a tougher response. Well, it was over quickly and nobody was hurt. That's a plus. The video was inappropriate for sure. The apology was inappropriate, but, in the end it doesn't matter. It wasn't meant to humiliate the US, it was for domestic consumption in Iran.
I am particularly disappointed in McCain's comments. What did he want? A swarm of cruise missiles leading to the Straights of Hormuz being closed by Iran?
It ended very swiftly because we have better relations with a traditional enemy. Thanks Obama and Kerry!
 
Republicans were in such a tizzy when this started. Presidential candidates swaggering around demanding a tougher response. Well, it was over quickly and nobody was hurt. That's a plus. The video was inappropriate for sure. The apology was inappropriate, but, in the end it doesn't matter. It wasn't meant to humiliate the US, it was for domestic consumption in Iran.
I am particularly disappointed in McCain's comments. What did he want? A swarm of cruise missiles leading to the Straights of Hormuz being closed by Iran?
It ended very swiftly because we have better relations with a traditional enemy. Thanks Obama and Kerry!

It wasn't meant to humiliate the US? What was it for then? I'll disagree with you on that one.

As for the video and apology being 'inappropriate'.....that's putting it lightly in my opinion.
 
It wasn't meant to humiliate the US? What was it for then? I'll disagree with you on that one.

As for the video and apology being 'inappropriate'.....that's putting it lightly in my opinion.
As I said it was for domestic consumption. That is what Iran's leadership cares about, looking victorious against the US. The video was just bs. They said stuff nobody believed, and were freed within 24 hours. They weren't tortured for goodness sakes.
 
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Those boat captains are pretty much toast career wise....

They probably should be from the sounds of things. Of course, I wouldn't want to judge them with only pieces of evidence but if they were just doing the equivalent of screwing around then they should be disciplined for that.

Now, if there was an electrical issue that knocked out their communications and their navigation then that is a reasonable excuse. Of course, that would have to be it because they wouldn't drop communications while they were knowingly crossing into Iranian territory, would they?
 
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McCain doesn't want peace to break out. The lives of these men were probably being sacrificed to provoke a war. Communications lost? Hmmm. Washington has been wanting to go into Iran for a long time.

When Turkey shot down the Russian jet, DC said it was Turkey's right. Now these same war criminals are upset with Iran for defending theirs. Hypocrites.
 
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They probably should be from the sounds of things. Of course, I wouldn't want to judge them with only pieces of evidence but if they were just doing the equivalent of screwing around then they should be disciplined for that.

Now, if there was an electrical issue that knocked out their communications and their navigation then that is a reasonable excuse. Of course, that would have to be it because they wouldn't drop communications while they were knowingly crossing into Iranian territory, would they?

I don't think anything gets them out of the sh%t house other than this....and even that might not be enough. The Captain is responsible for the ship...end of story.

I don't think this is even a possibility....really no need with todays intelligence gathering capabilities. Most likely scenario is the Captains F'd up...in which case their careers are done....
 
They probably should be from the sounds of things. Of course, I wouldn't want to judge them with only pieces of evidence but if they were just doing the equivalent of screwing around then they should be disciplined for that.

Now, if there was an electrical issue that knocked out their communications and their navigation then that is a reasonable excuse. Of course, that would have to be it because they wouldn't drop communications while they were knowingly crossing into Iranian territory, would they?

Boat captains are supposed to know how to navigate the old-school way. Don't know if it's still like this, but back in the Coast Guard in the 90s, we had to periodically plot our position and course manually to verify that the electronic navigation equipment was operating properly.
 
yes, blame it on the armed forces, you bunch of anti-American communists

no wonder so many generals have left or retired under Obama

no wonder motivation and morale is at an all time low in the armed forces under obama
 
Boat captains are supposed to know how to navigate the old-school way. Don't know if it's still like this, but back in the Coast Guard in the 90s, we had to periodically plot our position and course manually to verify that the electronic navigation equipment was operating properly.
unfortunately this situation was much like Benghazi in that it was a mission, covert ops of some kind, and Obama cut their communications, sent them out there to bow down like school girls to iran, apologize, stand down, and make Obama look good somehow
 
I don't think anything gets them out of the sh%t house other than this....and even that might not be enough. The Captain is responsible for the ship...end of story.

I don't think this is even a possibility....really no need with todays intelligence gathering capabilities. Most likely scenario is the Captains F'd up...in which case their careers are done....
he is in charge until Obama takes over and gives stand down orders- to bow down to almighty iran
 
Republicans were in such a tizzy when this started. Presidential candidates swaggering around demanding a tougher response. Well, it was over quickly and nobody was hurt. That's a plus. The video was inappropriate for sure. The apology was inappropriate, but, in the end it doesn't matter. It wasn't meant to humiliate the US, it was for domestic consumption in Iran.
I am particularly disappointed in McCain's comments. What did he want? A swarm of cruise missiles leading to the Straights of Hormuz being closed by Iran?
It ended very swiftly because we have better relations with a traditional enemy. Thanks Obama and Kerry!
If it wasn't meant to humiliate the U.S. why did the Iranians film our soldiers on their knees with guns pointed at them. Better relations my ass. Iran just wants the hundred billion. They will still be trying to Americans. Most libs have the same dangerous disease affecting BHO. That's seeing the world as they wish rather than seeing it as it is.
 
I don't think anything gets them out of the sh%t house other than this....and even that might not be enough. The Captain is responsible for the ship...end of story.

I don't think this is even a possibility....really no need with todays intelligence gathering capabilities. Most likely scenario is the Captains F'd up...in which case their careers are done....

I don't disagree with you.
 
Its not really pushing obama around when he bows to you kisses your feet allows you to nuke the usa and offers up his soldiers
 
It was nearly nightfall Tuesday and the two camouflaged U.S. Navy speedboats were off course in the Persian Gulf, possibly taking a shortcut through Iranian waters and apparently running out of gas on their more than 300-mile journey back to base.

When Iranian naval vessels approached, the 10 U.S. sailors aboard the two 50-foot-long riverine boats tried to make a run for it. But one boat developed engine trouble that slowed its escape, and the crew and both craft were quickly seized.

To complicate matters, U.S. officials said Thursday, the Navy crew inexplicably lost all radio and other communications with the 5th Fleet's operations and command center during the tense encounter, leaving the Pentagon in the dark.

The Navy was able to track the missing boats as they were apparently towed to a military pier on Iran's Farsi Island — where the elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps happens to operate a base.

The result was the 16-hour detention of all 10 U.S. crew members by the Iranian military, an incident that provoked international headlines and several rounds of high-level diplomacy before the quiet release of the sailors and their vessels on Wednesday. But while the Pentagon initially appeared to portray the encounter as a case of a simple mechanical malfunction, new details emerged Thursday that suggest otherwise.


The mechanical problems, according to a more complete account from U.S. officials, were only part of a litany of troubles that befell the U.S. Navy that evening in the middle of one of the most volatile waterways in the world.

The situation became only more complicated when a U.S. aircraft carrier task force led by the Harry S. Truman, on patrol in the gulf, quickly launched search helicopters into Iranian airspace. That served to further alarm Tehran, even as U.S. officials began considering a possible rescue operation.

That sparked a frantic series of phone calls between top State Department and Pentagon officials, backed by the White House, and their Iranian counterparts as both sides sought to prevent an apparent accident from escalating into a hostage standoff and a potential armed confrontation.

The eventual release of the Americans — they had been fed and given blankets and were allowed to sail back to a waiting U.S. cruiser with all their equipment — defused the budding crisis. Relieved U.S. officials said the high-level contacts were a side benefit of the intense negotiations that produced the landmark nuclear deal with Tehran last summer.

The Pentagon is investigating whether the crew members were mistreated during their brief detention, why the two boats lost communications, and why they entered waters strictly off limits to U.S. vessels. Iranian media said the boats were more than a mile inside Iran's internationally recognized 12-mile limit.

The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate. ... The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession. - James Stavridis, retired U.S. admiral
"It clearly was a mistake," Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Thursday in an interview with the cable network Fusion. "That much seems clear by now. It was a navigational mistake."

The incident has embarrassed the Pentagon and put the White House on the defensive as President Obama delivered his State of the Union speech and as the first major step of the nuclear deal — the dismantlement of Iran's nuclear infrastructure and the easing of United Nations sanctions — may be just days away.

It also raises questions of whether Iran violated international law by using the detainees for propaganda purposes.

After the release, a video on Iranian television purported to show several Americans kneeling, with their hands clasped behind their heads. Another video showed the U.S. commander of the two boats, later identified as Lt. David Nartker, as he apologized and blamed a navigational error. He did not explain how that occurred.


State Department spokesman John Kirby said Thursday that the video did not violate the Geneva Convention on treatment of prisoners of war, because the U.S. is not at war with Iran. But he made clear his unease.

"The video on the face of it is — it's difficult to watch, and there's no question about that," he told reporters. "And nobody likes to see our sailors in that position. I can't speak for the motivations for why they did it, why they put it out there, if they did it for propaganda purposes, I would — we would certainly join in those that are expressing concerns about that. I mean, that's — you know, that's less than helpful."

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the Obama administration wasn't willing to hold Iran accountable because it is too invested in the nuclear deal.

"The administration is pretending as if nothing out of the ordinary has occurred," he said in a statement. It "places our Navy and Coast Guard vessels and the men and women who sail them at increased risk in the future."

James Stavridis, a retired U.S. admiral and former NATO supreme commander, said Iran had "humiliated" the Americans on camera.

"The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate in my view," he said in a telephone interview. "The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession of guilt or apology to be broadcast. The Iranians' behavior in this situation was completely uncalled for."

The 5th Fleet said that the sailors were unharmed and that they are being debriefed at a U.S. base in Qatar. It may take several days to complete the debriefings and determine what happened, officials said.

Pentagon officials believe the boats, from the Navy's Coastal Riverine Group 1 based in San Diego, were low on gas and heading for a rendezvous with a refueling ship three miles outside the Iranian 12-mile limit.

A sailor may have punched the wrong coordinates into the GPS and they wound up off course. Or the crew members may have taken a shortcut into Iranian waters as they headed for the refueling ship, officials said.

A senior State Department official, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said Washington first got word of the incident about noon Tuesday. It was 8 p.m. in the Persian Gulf.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry and Carter were meeting their Philippine counterparts in one of the ornate diplomatic rooms on the eighth floor of the State Department. Both U.S. officials excused themselves and raced out to investigate.

Kerry already had a phone call scheduled for 12:45 p.m. with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif to talk about the nuclear deal. Kerry reached out first to Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Susan Rice, Obama's national security advisor.

When he spoke to Zarif at 1 p.m., the State Department official said, Kerry told him that the two boats were transiting between Kuwait and their base in Bahrain, home port of the 5th Fleet, when the Navy "lost communication with them." They were now docked at Farsi Island.

Kerry made clear, the official said, that the most important priority was that the sailors be released "safely and unharmed and as quickly as possible."

"If we are able to do this in the right way, we can make this into what will be a good story for both of us," Kerry told Zarif, according to the official.

The Pentagon also was reaching out on a separate channel of communications between 5th Fleet and Iranian authorities.

"We're thinking, 'Oh my gosh, we lost comms. Are they in distress?'" a Pentagon official said. "So we're going to do all we can to find them, starting at the last point at which you track them."

After the diplomats got involved, the Navy called back its helicopters to avoid complicating the effort to release the sailors, another official said.

Operating from his seventh-floor office, Kerry spoke to Zarif again at 2 p.m. The Iranian diplomat assured him he was trying to gather information and "that he agreed with the imperative of getting this resolved as soon as possible," the State Department official said.

In another call, about 3:15 p.m., Zarif told Kerry that he had been informed that the sailors "would be free to go at dawn" because it was not safe for them to leave in the middle of the night.

In the end, the sailors were released much later — about 11:45 a.m. local time. They quickly sailed back into international waters — one boat still with a bum engine — and were picked up by the Navy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-sailors-iran-20160114-story.html


Sounds like a throw the navy men under the bus to avoid embarrassing Obama. Knowing the equipment the military has, there is almost no chance that any of this really happened. However, considering how stupid democrats are, then this explanation will work with them. The real truth I am guessing is that the navy boats were never in Iranian waters, that Iran kidnapped these crews, and Obama blames THEM to save himself. Ever notice that Obama always blames policeman, military men, anyone that is not a good liberal. Literally, he is trying to make the Iranians look like the reasonable people here, since he took it in the ass for them.
 
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Sounds like a throw the navy men under the bus to avoid embarrassing Obama. Knowing the equipment the military has, there is almost no chance that any of this really happened. However, considering how stupid democrats are, then this explanation will work with them. The real truth I am guessing is that the navy boats were never in Iranian waters, that Iran kidnapped these crews, and Obama blames THEM to save himself. Ever notice that Obama always blames policeman, military men, anyone that is not a good liberal. Literally, he is trying to make the Iranians look like the reasonable people here, since he took it in the ass for them.

You are next level...
 
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You freaking guys have NO CLUE what you're talking about. It's all conjecture.

I drove small boats and was a small boat captain. I navigated waters relying simply on a chart and a compass and was never off course by 50 freaking NM.

The Iranians were out of their territorial waters and stopped our boats illegally. There's a reason only two or three officials know the real story as reported in the news.

It's all bullshit and the dems know it.

Here is one of two warfare pins I earned:

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by Justin Raimondo, January 15, 2016

Your bullshit-ometer should be making an awful racket in response to the shifting explanations given for the twenty-four-hour Iranian hostage scare involving two US Navy boats intercepted in the Gulf.

First they told us “at least one of the boats” had experienced a “mechanical failure.” Then they said the boats had run out of fuel, although it wasn’t clear if they meant both boats. Then they said “there was no mechanical problem.” Then they claimed that the two crews had somehow not communicated with the military command, although “they could not explain how the military had lost contact with not one but both of the boats.” As the New York Times reported:

“Even as Mr. Kerry was describing the release on Wednesday morning, American military officials were offering new explanations about how the two 49-foot patrol boats, formally called riverine command boats, had ended up in Iranian territorial waters while cruising from Kuwait to Bahrain.”

And they still haven’t explained it – or any of the other distinctly odd circumstances surrounding this incident.

The best they could do was have an anonymous Navy officer aver “When you’re navigating in those waters, the space around it gets pretty tight.” However, as the Times put it:

“But that is hardly a new problem, and the boats’ crews would almost surely have mapped out their course in advance, paying close attention to the Iranian boundary waters. And each boat has radio equipment on board, so it was unclear how the crews suddenly lost communication with their base unless they were surrounded by Iranian vessels before they could alert their superiors.”

We are told they were on a “training mission” – but what kind of mission? The Washington Post adds a helpful detail by telling us that “The vessels, known as riverine command boats, are agile and often carry Special Operations forces into smaller bodies of water.”

Ah, now we’re getting somewhere.

Amid all the faux outrage coming from the neocons and their enablers in the media over the alleged “humiliation” of the US – Iran “paraded” the sailors in their media! They made one of the sailors apologize! The Geneva Conventions were violated! – hardly anyone in this country is asking the hard questions, first and foremost: what in heck were those two boats doing in Iranian waters?

And if you believe they somehow “drifted” within a few miles of Farsi Island, where a highly sensitive Iranian military base is located, then you probably think there’s a lot of money just waiting for you in a Nigerian bank account.

click link for balance:


http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/01/14/caught-with-our-pants-down-in-the-gulf/
 
by Justin Raimondo, January 15, 2016

Your bullshit-ometer should be making an awful racket in response to the shifting explanations given for the twenty-four-hour Iranian hostage scare involving two US Navy boats intercepted in the Gulf.

First they told us “at least one of the boats” had experienced a “mechanical failure.” Then they said the boats had run out of fuel, although it wasn’t clear if they meant both boats. Then they said “there was no mechanical problem.” Then they claimed that the two crews had somehow not communicated with the military command, although “they could not explain how the military had lost contact with not one but both of the boats.” As the New York Times reported:

“Even as Mr. Kerry was describing the release on Wednesday morning, American military officials were offering new explanations about how the two 49-foot patrol boats, formally called riverine command boats, had ended up in Iranian territorial waters while cruising from Kuwait to Bahrain.”

And they still haven’t explained it – or any of the other distinctly odd circumstances surrounding this incident.

The best they could do was have an anonymous Navy officer aver “When you’re navigating in those waters, the space around it gets pretty tight.” However, as the Times put it:

“But that is hardly a new problem, and the boats’ crews would almost surely have mapped out their course in advance, paying close attention to the Iranian boundary waters. And each boat has radio equipment on board, so it was unclear how the crews suddenly lost communication with their base unless they were surrounded by Iranian vessels before they could alert their superiors.”

We are told they were on a “training mission” – but what kind of mission? The Washington Post adds a helpful detail by telling us that “The vessels, known as riverine command boats, are agile and often carry Special Operations forces into smaller bodies of water.”

Ah, now we’re getting somewhere.

Amid all the faux outrage coming from the neocons and their enablers in the media over the alleged “humiliation” of the US – Iran “paraded” the sailors in their media! They made one of the sailors apologize! The Geneva Conventions were violated! – hardly anyone in this country is asking the hard questions, first and foremost: what in heck were those two boats doing in Iranian waters?

And if you believe they somehow “drifted” within a few miles of Farsi Island, where a highly sensitive Iranian military base is located, then you probably think there’s a lot of money just waiting for you in a Nigerian bank account.

click link for balance:


http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/01/14/caught-with-our-pants-down-in-the-gulf/


Yep. My BS meter freaking broke and the glass cracked days ago. The pre-deployment check list on those boats is pages and pages long. EVERYthing has to check out or the boat doesn't hit the water. And the gas tanks are ALWAYS kept full. Drifted off course? Bullshit again. You go through hours of navigation training without using equipment relying solely on charts and markers along the pre-planned route.

So what happened? The Iranians were in international waters and surrounded those boats. The ROE won't allow those boats to discharge weapons unless under extreme circumstances, and even then, you get put on trial by many different institutions before you even see the inside of a proper court. I also think the Sailor in charge (still don't know his rank) was scared and had no balls. I can say that because I've been in the position of weapons release or no weapons release.

Whole thing stinks.
 
So this was Obama's fault, right? He probably gave the seamen bad maps. That sonofabitch!

No. Not his fault. But the State Dept did call those Sailors and tell them to apologize to the Iranians. And that is what sucks about this whole thing as well.
 
No. Not his fault. But the State Dept did call those Sailors and tell them to apologize to the Iranians. And that is what sucks about this whole thing as well.
and they answer to Obama, or bow to him, and Obama bows to the Iranians, and Obama answers to the globalists
 
It was nearly nightfall Tuesday and the two camouflaged U.S. Navy speedboats were off course in the Persian Gulf, possibly taking a shortcut through Iranian waters and apparently running out of gas on their more than 300-mile journey back to base.

When Iranian naval vessels approached, the 10 U.S. sailors aboard the two 50-foot-long riverine boats tried to make a run for it. But one boat developed engine trouble that slowed its escape, and the crew and both craft were quickly seized.

To complicate matters, U.S. officials said Thursday, the Navy crew inexplicably lost all radio and other communications with the 5th Fleet's operations and command center during the tense encounter, leaving the Pentagon in the dark.

The Navy was able to track the missing boats as they were apparently towed to a military pier on Iran's Farsi Island — where the elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps happens to operate a base.

The result was the 16-hour detention of all 10 U.S. crew members by the Iranian military, an incident that provoked international headlines and several rounds of high-level diplomacy before the quiet release of the sailors and their vessels on Wednesday. But while the Pentagon initially appeared to portray the encounter as a case of a simple mechanical malfunction, new details emerged Thursday that suggest otherwise.


The mechanical problems, according to a more complete account from U.S. officials, were only part of a litany of troubles that befell the U.S. Navy that evening in the middle of one of the most volatile waterways in the world.

The situation became only more complicated when a U.S. aircraft carrier task force led by the Harry S. Truman, on patrol in the gulf, quickly launched search helicopters into Iranian airspace. That served to further alarm Tehran, even as U.S. officials began considering a possible rescue operation.

That sparked a frantic series of phone calls between top State Department and Pentagon officials, backed by the White House, and their Iranian counterparts as both sides sought to prevent an apparent accident from escalating into a hostage standoff and a potential armed confrontation.

The eventual release of the Americans — they had been fed and given blankets and were allowed to sail back to a waiting U.S. cruiser with all their equipment — defused the budding crisis. Relieved U.S. officials said the high-level contacts were a side benefit of the intense negotiations that produced the landmark nuclear deal with Tehran last summer.

The Pentagon is investigating whether the crew members were mistreated during their brief detention, why the two boats lost communications, and why they entered waters strictly off limits to U.S. vessels. Iranian media said the boats were more than a mile inside Iran's internationally recognized 12-mile limit.

The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate. ... The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession. - James Stavridis, retired U.S. admiral
"It clearly was a mistake," Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Thursday in an interview with the cable network Fusion. "That much seems clear by now. It was a navigational mistake."

The incident has embarrassed the Pentagon and put the White House on the defensive as President Obama delivered his State of the Union speech and as the first major step of the nuclear deal — the dismantlement of Iran's nuclear infrastructure and the easing of United Nations sanctions — may be just days away.

It also raises questions of whether Iran violated international law by using the detainees for propaganda purposes.

After the release, a video on Iranian television purported to show several Americans kneeling, with their hands clasped behind their heads. Another video showed the U.S. commander of the two boats, later identified as Lt. David Nartker, as he apologized and blamed a navigational error. He did not explain how that occurred.


State Department spokesman John Kirby said Thursday that the video did not violate the Geneva Convention on treatment of prisoners of war, because the U.S. is not at war with Iran. But he made clear his unease.

"The video on the face of it is — it's difficult to watch, and there's no question about that," he told reporters. "And nobody likes to see our sailors in that position. I can't speak for the motivations for why they did it, why they put it out there, if they did it for propaganda purposes, I would — we would certainly join in those that are expressing concerns about that. I mean, that's — you know, that's less than helpful."

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the Obama administration wasn't willing to hold Iran accountable because it is too invested in the nuclear deal.

"The administration is pretending as if nothing out of the ordinary has occurred," he said in a statement. It "places our Navy and Coast Guard vessels and the men and women who sail them at increased risk in the future."

James Stavridis, a retired U.S. admiral and former NATO supreme commander, said Iran had "humiliated" the Americans on camera.

"The way those sailors were treated was entirely inappropriate in my view," he said in a telephone interview. "The U.S. Navy would never demand Iranian sailors hold their hands on their heads and coerce a confession of guilt or apology to be broadcast. The Iranians' behavior in this situation was completely uncalled for."

The 5th Fleet said that the sailors were unharmed and that they are being debriefed at a U.S. base in Qatar. It may take several days to complete the debriefings and determine what happened, officials said.

Pentagon officials believe the boats, from the Navy's Coastal Riverine Group 1 based in San Diego, were low on gas and heading for a rendezvous with a refueling ship three miles outside the Iranian 12-mile limit.

A sailor may have punched the wrong coordinates into the GPS and they wound up off course. Or the crew members may have taken a shortcut into Iranian waters as they headed for the refueling ship, officials said.

A senior State Department official, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said Washington first got word of the incident about noon Tuesday. It was 8 p.m. in the Persian Gulf.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry and Carter were meeting their Philippine counterparts in one of the ornate diplomatic rooms on the eighth floor of the State Department. Both U.S. officials excused themselves and raced out to investigate.

Kerry already had a phone call scheduled for 12:45 p.m. with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif to talk about the nuclear deal. Kerry reached out first to Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and Susan Rice, Obama's national security advisor.

When he spoke to Zarif at 1 p.m., the State Department official said, Kerry told him that the two boats were transiting between Kuwait and their base in Bahrain, home port of the 5th Fleet, when the Navy "lost communication with them." They were now docked at Farsi Island.

Kerry made clear, the official said, that the most important priority was that the sailors be released "safely and unharmed and as quickly as possible."

"If we are able to do this in the right way, we can make this into what will be a good story for both of us," Kerry told Zarif, according to the official.

The Pentagon also was reaching out on a separate channel of communications between 5th Fleet and Iranian authorities.

"We're thinking, 'Oh my gosh, we lost comms. Are they in distress?'" a Pentagon official said. "So we're going to do all we can to find them, starting at the last point at which you track them."

After the diplomats got involved, the Navy called back its helicopters to avoid complicating the effort to release the sailors, another official said.

Operating from his seventh-floor office, Kerry spoke to Zarif again at 2 p.m. The Iranian diplomat assured him he was trying to gather information and "that he agreed with the imperative of getting this resolved as soon as possible," the State Department official said.

In another call, about 3:15 p.m., Zarif told Kerry that he had been informed that the sailors "would be free to go at dawn" because it was not safe for them to leave in the middle of the night.

In the end, the sailors were released much later — about 11:45 a.m. local time. They quickly sailed back into international waters — one boat still with a bum engine — and were picked up by the Navy.

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I fine it hard to believe that the US would never ask someone detained to put hands on their heads, and kneel. Have I seen too many cop shows?
 
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