Hysterics on the Iran deal
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That wouldn't stop them. You don't need Nobel Prize winners to build a nuke. Likely the only thing preventing Iran from having a nuke right now is Iran.
My God...you're stupidity knows no bounds. So, anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti-semitic? As explained, Finkelstein and Peled are Jewish. My views are influenced by Rothbard, Mises & Block. All Jews who I hold in high regard.
And the 200 nukes that Israel has pointed at them. And the NATO bases surrounding Iran.
Israel created Hamas and Hezbollah. The CIA created AQ and ISIS. Wouldn't that make them sponsors of terrorism?
Which is why Iran has decided to not build one...but it's still Iran's decision. I doubt they're really worried about Israel's nukes. Let Israel light up a suspected nuclear weapon assembly site with a nuke and the future of Israel really will be in doubt.
Every country (that can) sponsors terrorism of some kind. Nobody is a good guy here. But only an idiot would think they're all equal.
Certainly they're not. No one has killed as many as our Oligarchs. And it ain't even close.
By who's measurement? Yours?
Is that like being a little bit pregnant as opposed to a lot pregnant? If you kill 100 people through your support and enabling of terror (or just doing it yourself), then (to you), that's "not as bad"/unequal as 1000. Do you realize how that attitude appears to condone, or overlook, or minimize the 100? You're very lukewarm and indistinct. I guess it's dangerous to deal in absolutes, but, I still oppose the death penalty- ALWAYS. I oppose sponsoring terrorism- ALWAYS. Maybe you count wins by who does it the least. I don't. Because, even the least have unintended consequences that really make your measurements inaccurate.
So, do you allow the Russians to overrun Afghanistan at will or do you oppose them? And if you oppose them, do you do it by trying to enable the Afghanis and their purported allies, do you invade to drive the Russians out, do you talk mean to the Russians?
The Russians have invaded Afghanistan. The resistance is crumbling primarily due to Russian air superiority. You're in charge strum...what do you do?
That's one way to look at it.
Another is that the Soviets came in in response to a request from the legitimate Afghan government. They not only fought violent warlords and religious extremists but they build schools and hospitals and backed equal rights for women.
Which side should we have been on?
Afghanistan would probably have been the USSR's Vietnam even if we hadn't backed the Islamist extremists, drug lords, and people traffickers. But even if it wasn't, would the people of Afghanistan really have been worse off in the Soviet orbit than under the Taliban rule that our money and weapons seeded?
If my neighbor's wife leaves him, I don't go out and find him a new wife. If he buys a car he can't afford, I don't go over and take his checkbook from him.
Do I "allow" the Russians to overrun Afghanistan??? I don't send children to go fight and die so some other Dictator or some other government gets to plunder some natural resource. I don't look at diplomacy as a "Who can I conquer or boss around this week?" Then again, if I'm in charge, then the ideology of the world must have changed greatly, because we're more likely to share our resources than hoard them and waste them. So, Russia wouldn't feel the need to invade to begin with.
Yeah... there ya go.
You're playing with people's lives and cultures and society, and it's not yours to play with. You get behind one group only to be their enemy the next decade. Our leaders are some of the most bought-off, conscience-seared individuals ever. They do what their handlers tell them to do because of our military might. That's terrorism if it ever existed. Sending troops into one country after another to topple regimes, financing dictator A to fight dictator B, and then trying to invade both a decade later. Calling people who resist "Terrorists" and calling ourselves "Liberators" is pretty funny.
Yes, exactly. Those are the ones that can do me the most harm, without a doubt!
That's one way to look at it. The other is to recognize that Tariki wasn't elected, he came to power in a coup. That might make him "legitimate" but most wouldn't think so. That Amin then had Taraki killed and took power with the support of the army might also be "legitimate"...or not. The Taraki/Amin regime violently suppressed dissent and killed thousands of political opponents. Anyone looking for a good guy here will be disappointed. If building schools and hospitals and pushing for equal rights is a metric then those actions by all countries...including the US...must be on the balance sheet.
So, yes, we could have taken a hands-off policy concerning Afghanistan and maybe we should have allowed Soviet dominance there. But you certainly can't pretend that wouldn't have had "unintended consequences". We just don't know what they might have been.
By espousing nutty conspiracy theories on the internet and backing candidates who will do nothing more than siphon votes from the major party you might have something in common with. Like I said, the folks you hate the most love you to pieces. Keep it up.
Yeah, we should do it your way... get on internet chat boards and say "I opposed the Patriot Act and the Obama Administration not repealing it" and then going out and voting for the next flunkies who will amp-it-up even more. Home run!
Are you familiar with Carrol Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor and Senior fellow at The Brookings Institute, former prof at Georgetown et al? He would be laughing at suckers like you who have fallen into their trap. They listen to the narrow index card of allowable opinion carefully crafted for their consumption.
The deal makes it an open door for war the second they fail to comply. You should be happy. It's Iraq all over again.
They know we don't have the stomach for that any longer.
They waited us out.
No compliance and we still lifted the sanctions.
Oh goody...another conspiracy theory.
I'm just happy you answer me.
I bruised WWJD irrecoverably at some point and he can no longer play without cussing, or calling names.
Since he cannot control himself, he chooses not to correspond at all.
But, personal accountability is not his kind's strong suit.
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Could they have been worse than the Taliban, al Qaeda and, by extension, ISIS?
I suppose it's possible, but it's hard to imagine.
It's like playing the kill Hitler game. We don't really know what would have happened if we went back in time and killed Hitler before he rose to power. Could it have been worse? Maybe. But how likely?
Arguably an equally bad decision was made when Gorby asked for US help to get out of Afghanistan - and we continued to arm the jihadists instead. You could argue that the USSR might not have fallen if we had helped Gorby. But how do you weigh that? I think any measure that looks at the suffering and death of innocents makes it clear we should have helped Gorby. But who knows for sure?
Where is Harry Selden when you need him?
Honor system? Do you not understand how enriched uranium and other nuke material works? Its not something you can handle and then put away in the cupboard to hide from the inspectors even if it takes the maximum 24 days to get inside Iranian facilities.
Don't try to confuse GOP lemmings with facts. To paraphrase, it's a waste of time and it annoys the lemmings.
The Afghanis welcomed the Taliban. The mujahideen were a governance disaster after they overthrew Najibullah. In the first few years after the Taliban took over, they actually liberalized some of the mujahideen policies or, at least, ignored violations. Home schools were allowed to educate girls and women were once again being trained as midwives, nurses, and doctors. It's also important to remember that it was the mujahideen who brought OBL back to Afghanistan...the Taliban just allowed him to remain and only after he switched his "allegiance" from the mujahideen to the Taliban. Many Afghanis still favor what they regard as the "good" Taliban over the current govt.
No, the Taliban weren't the worst actors there. Pretty bad, but not the worst.
For those who care about stopping heroin trafficking, the Taliban had practically stopped poppy farming. Some of you may remember Colin Powell visiting Afghanistan in spring of 2001 to compliment the Taliban on their successes and to bring a few hundred million$ in aid.
It remains an unanswered question whether the Taliban would, as they offered, have turned over OBL to the Pakistanis. The Bush administration rejected the offer and attacked Afghanistan and the Taliban instead.
If you have an ounce of Biblical knowledge. You know Israel will never be destroyed. But that is only if you understand why.
Biblical knowledge......Hmmmmmm.................With all due respect Speedway, I don't think this has anything to do with "Biblical knowledge".........Remember, there was no state of Israel before the end of WW2.
Well, you can't expect someone who depends upon "Biblical knowledge" to chronicle history or to predict the future to have much understanding of either.
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