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I am going to say it now…

It's a fact, when the crap hits the fan and Trump bends to public opinion to get his rating up, he will do something to infuriate his base. They will claim he has been compromised by the left / aliens/ gays and take him out theirs elves. He courts anarchy and stupidity, two things that are self destructive.
I'm intrigued, can you describe these elves that are going to take him out? :)
 
To be fair, wasn't this what the last four years were as well? Without as much drama. They didn't need to manage behavior, just explain what he MEANT to say.
Sort of - but those actually making decisions in the Biden administration seemed to be mostly bureacrats and technocrats with a decent handle on how to function in government as it has been done for decades.

Now, the people "behind" Trump are unqualified, uniquely loathsome idiots, toadies and grifters.

So "we the people" are in a much more calamatious position.
 
I would like to amend my statement that death by hamberders counts too on the clock.

Ok, I would like to make a bet on that. Avatar for one year, starting Jan 1, 2026, or upon you winning the bet if Trump is removed under the 25th amendment or dies from a health related cause (e.g. hamberders, not bullets) before the end of the year.

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Sort of - but those actually making decisions in the Biden administration seemed to be mostly bureacrats and technocrats with a decent handle on how to function in government as it has been done for decades.

Now, the people "behind" Trump are unqualified, uniquely loathsome idiots, toadies and grifters.

So "we the people" are in a much more calamatious position.

You can't tell me that Dr Oz and RFK Jr aren't amazing picks. One has a hot TV show and the other one has a soothing voice that we need in America right now.
 
What is this a flashback to 2017?

- His antics/conduct/behavior have been normalized and people have gotten used to it
- He has the same or even more dedicated base of followers
- He has thoroughly taken over the GOP and purged most all of the ones with spines
- His cabinet up an down is full of loyalists as opposed to traditional cabinet holders
- He's not a fluke winner, who lost the popular vote to Hillary with the Comey/Russia baggage. People voted for this.
- Much friendlier SC, who gave him criminal immunity
- He's got Twitter in the bag and tech leaders playing friendly


Besides being older and of poor health, I can't see how there's optimism that he'll be held accountable by anyone, much less his own cabinet or anyone from his party.

I think it would take some massive economic fallout from the combination of tariffs and deportations to even consider the possibility that Trump could be out. And I suspect they'd reverse course before something like that happened.
 
You can't tell me that Dr Oz and RFK Jr aren't amazing picks. One has a hot TV show and the other one has a soothing voice that we need in America right now.
What, you don't like the rapist wife beating former Fox television host as Sec of Defense!?
 
Unlikely. Just weird. I think Vance just says the things Trump wants to hear.


I've listened to and read a couple things from Vance pre-Trump. That would be 2018 ish and before. I disagree with plenty he has said before and much more since he converted to being an acolyte.

That said, without the trump effect, he isn't crazy. But that he pivoted so quickly after saying so many nasty things about trump should be a concern to folks on his moral compass. But prior to, he was reasonable and rational.
 
OP., I think you are stuck in 2015 framework of expectations of the President. You need to recalibrate your gauge on what is a act too far. Specific to him, the expectations have NOT shifted for anyone other than trump. He gets a perpetual pass and IMO he is still well within the acceptable range for most of his people. This does not move the needle 1 bit.

Make this a poll in the thread for 1/1/2026. I am taking the over.
 
Trump will be on the political scene until he's dead or severely disabled which will happen within 5-10 years from today considering he's 78 years old.
 
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It's a fact, when the crap hits the fan and Trump bends to public opinion to get his rating up, he will do something to infuriate his base. They will claim he has been compromised by the left / aliens/ gays and take him out theirs elves. He courts anarchy and stupidity, two things that are self destructive.
You liberals attempted to kill him twice, it won't be allowed to happen again. The SS is not compromised anymore.
 
…the citizens AND politicians are finally seeing it, as the country begins to rapidly descend into chaos due to an unhinged madman far worse than the 2016-2021 version of himself:

Trump will not be president by the end of the year. They are going to remove his sorry arse with amendment 25.

There is no hiding how awful and mentally deranged he is any longer and the billionaires do not want to see an economy collapse, which it will
Billionaires love collapsed economies
Great opportunity to get things cheaper
 
…the citizens AND politicians are finally seeing it, as the country begins to rapidly descend into chaos due to an unhinged madman far worse than the 2016-2021 version of himself:

Trump will not be president by the end of the year. They are going to remove his sorry arse with amendment 25. There is no hiding how awful and mentally deranged he is any longer and the billionaires do not want to see an economy collapse, which it will do, nor the instability as the citizens begin to anger at who is financing this stuff. The true downfall has (finally) begun after the press conference.
He’ll make it to the end of his term. The MAGAs love this shit. They’re anarchists.
 
…the citizens AND politicians are finally seeing it, as the country begins to rapidly descend into chaos due to an unhinged madman far worse than the 2016-2021 version of himself:

Trump will not be president by the end of the year. They are going to remove his sorry arse with amendment 25. There is no hiding how awful and mentally deranged he is any longer and the billionaires do not want to see an economy collapse, which it will do, nor the instability as the citizens begin to anger at who is financing this stuff. The true downfall has (finally) begun after the press conference.
I'll say it now. This is delusional, and barring a medical issue or successful assassination attempt, Trump will absolutely be president at the end of the year.
 
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