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I get it, but I don't like it.... at all. Duke's Jalen Johnson opts out

I don't get why people are upset about this. They're not going to play postseason so he's opting out for the rest if the season in a COVID year. He's going to get drafted in the top 5. I don't mind guys doing this, guys who would have gone pro straight out of high school but aren't allowed to do that any more.
 
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HawkRCID said:
Why would you risk it. Smart decision for the young man.

go get your money...the only person looking out for #1 is you. I used to be a believer in “student athlete” joke. But it’s apparent the NCAA and all the coaches are in it for the money, so why shouldn’t the athletes?
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He’s making over 100k. Why are you concerned about what he’s not getting. You know what he ain’t getting. Student loan debt.
he has other professional avenues. You want paid go get paid. You want passionate college fans suck it up and take the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are making and play. Duke has value the players that fill the jersey are a dime a dozen.
 
kceasthawk said:
They should, but they won't, and risk not getting the next guy in line. As others have said , this current system is a farce, plain and simple. I understand why the NBA is good with it, but what is the NCAA thinking? I have no problem with the kids going to get paid, SO just go get paid if your good enough. Why the need for the scam year when their not going to class anyway. Its a waste of everyone's time.
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NCAA seems fine with it as they get a Zion Williamson for example to play in the NCAA tournament. All these pro leagues would prefer that their perspective players be required to be 3 years out of high school (like the NFL) as it weeds out to an extent which guys can play and which ones can't. The current basketball situation is just not good. Not sad one bit to see KU, UK and Duke struggling this year.
 
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I don't have a problem in this case but if Garza or Joe Wieskamp would leave now then I'd be really pissed and never root for him again. Garza did just the opposite and will always be a fan favorite. Sometimes you help out your neighbor knowing he'll never return the favor but it's just the right thing to do.
 
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Bulldogs1974 said:
He’s making over 100k. Why are you concerned about what he’s not getting. You know what he ain’t getting. Student loan debt.
he has other professional avenues. You want paid go get paid. You want passionate college fans suck it up and take the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are making and play. Duke has value the players that fill the jersey are a dime a dozen.
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Why do you care if he opts out? Are you saying that every professional should never leave their job if they are not completely finished with everything they are working on?
 
I feel like multiple things can be true at the same time. He's making the best decision for himself, but it's still leaving your team in the lurch at the same time (though it sounds like there's stuff behind the scenes)

I've said before, my solution is simple - you can enter the draft out of high school, but if you go the college track, you're in for 3 years. college baseball operates similarly.
 
hawkaeg80 said:
And all the while men's college basketball is in decline. The best players leave after one year. There are no Sampson's v. Ewing's and other upperclassmen battles. The NBA also suffers because you get these kids that need so much work on their game that sometimes it's painful to watch (actually I don't watch the NBA because of this and a couple of other reasons) especially on the defensive side of the game.
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So spot on with your post. College and the NBA game suffer ... NBA (in my opinion) is absolutely horrible to watch. Tired of the NBA-feeder programs (i.e. see Kentucky) ... Iowa is a rarity as it has a roster of guys who've played together for more than one year. So many college coaches today are depending on jucos, transfer portal, grad transfers to build their rosters (see Prohm, Hoiberg) ...

Despite the Covid impacts of lost money, etc., some college programs continue to spend crazy amounts of money on firing/hiring new coaches despite their supposed financial "short fall."

For the college kid ... go out and make that money ... The gloves are off ... Universities, the NCAA, and many coaches aren't looking out for you ... they just want to win ...
 
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sober_teacher said:
I feel like multiple things can be true at the same time. He's making the best decision for himself, but it's still leaving your team in the lurch at the same time (though it sounds like there's stuff behind the scenes)

I've said before, my solution is simple - you can enter the draft out of high school, but if you go the college track, you're in for 3 years. college baseball operates similarly.
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Why 3 years? I agree that the simple solution is let these kids go pro right away. If they get drafted great, if not who cares!
They’re not college material anyway! Majority of the kids that go to college stay 4-5 years, get their degrees and move onto their careers.
Coach K turned Duke into one and done program, stupid move on his part! He was whining earlier in the year to not play because of Covid, which is hysterical considering these kids have a 99.9% recovery from the plandemic! He knew back then that they sucked. The women’s team shut it down, he probably should have done the same thing for his program!
 
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Steve Waite said:
Why 3 years? I agree that the simple solution is let these kids go pro right away. If they get drafted great, if not who cares!
They’re not college material anyway! Majority of the kids that go to college stay 4-5 years, get their degrees and move onto their careers.
Coach K turned Duke into one and done program, stupid move on his part! He was whining earlier in the year to not play because of Covid, which is hysterical considering these kids have a 99.9% recovery from the plandemic! He knew back then that they sucked. The women’s team shut it down, he probably should have done the same thing for his program!
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I think you misunderstand - for baseball, kids can go pro straight out of high school, but if they go to college, they're in there for 3 years before they can opt-out for the draft - I don't know how/why they settled on that period of time, but it's commonly accepted and hasn't been challenged recently so far as I know. I'd like something similar for college hoops.

If a kid thinks he can play professionally, let him go pro. if he thinks he needs more time, he should have to be in there long enough to develop, which is longer than one year imo and also requires him to buy in academically.
 
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Jizzer said:
There will probably be more in the next couple weeks and I don't blame them. This is why the NBA just needs to go back to being able to draft High School players.
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I think you will see more and more start to use the GL route. I think there are 4 guys that did it this year. Green, Nix, Todd and Kuminga.
 
DodgerHawki said:
NCAA seems fine with it as they get a Zion Williamson for example to play in the NCAA tournament. All these pro leagues would prefer that their perspective players be required to be 3 years out of high school (like the NFL) as it weeds out to an extent which guys can play and which ones can't. The current basketball situation is just not good. Not sad one bit to see KU, UK and Duke struggling this year.
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Well, KU isn't exactly struggling. They are likely a top 6 seed in the tournament. I mean struggling for KU under Self but nothing like UK and Duke because they rely more on the one and done guys.
 
David1979 said:
Well, KU isn't exactly struggling. They are likely a top 6 seed in the tournament. I mean struggling for KU under Self but nothing like UK and Duke because they rely more on the one and done guys.
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Yes, thank you. It's all relative in terms of struggling. For KU, struggling is a 6 seed.
 
DodgerHawki said:
NCAA seems fine with it as they get a Zion Williamson for example to play in the NCAA tournament. All these pro leagues would prefer that their perspective players be required to be 3 years out of high school (like the NFL) as it weeds out to an extent which guys can play and which ones can't. The current basketball situation is just not good. Not sad one bit to see KU, UK and Duke struggling this year.
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Completely agree with 3 years of college, not just for the reasons you mentioned, but also because it provides free marketing for the players before they go pro. They'd have college basketball fans baked into their career. As it stands, I never heard of Anthony Edwards even though he was picked first overall last year and I have no interest in watching him play because i have no background with him. The only way I will ever hear about him ever again is if he gets to the conference finals. Otherwise, he won't exist for me.
 
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Eternal Return said:
I don't get why people are upset about this. They're not going to play postseason so he's opting out for the rest if the season in a COVID year. He's going to get drafted in the top 5. I don't mind guys doing this, guys who would have gone pro straight out of high school but aren't allowed to do that any more.
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You dont see a problem with a player for a team leaving mid season because it serves his purposes? Do the words teammate, commitment, loyalty or charcter mean anything to you? You must be a piece of work
 
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You dont see a problem with a player for a team leaving mid season because it serves his purposes? Do the words teammate, commitment, loyalty or charcter mean anything to you? You must be a piece of work
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I don't see anything about college basketball that is in the best interests of future pros. They'd be better off being allowed to go pro right out of high school or have to wait three years before being eligible for declaring for the draft.

In no other field at a university does anyone think that leaving the university for a lucrative career or financial opportunity is a sign of betrayal and that's because every other field expects their students to go on to professional careers or entrepreneurial opportunities. It's only in athletics that outsiders think that it's a betrayal for a student to leave school for professional and financial opportunities. No other field that I know of bars students from making money from outside ventures while also being on scholarship.

Why is it that only students who have athletic scholarships can't make money but students with academic scholarships can? Students with academic scholarships have paid internships in the summers and even during the academic school year. The only reason students who are on athletic scholarships can't make money is because universities don't allow it because they like making money off of students through TV contracts and they worry that students who will go on to careers controlled by an oligopoly of basketball leagues -- a monopoly in the U$ -- will usurp their financial.power.

There are no moral imperatives for students to remain in school when they are there for their education and to better prepare themselves for professional careers in a field designed the way professional basketball is. It's absurd to think that a kid should put his own career best interests behind those of the team (who probably are understanding as they all would ideally like to play professionally in some capacity) because a bunch of college basketball fans think it's unfair based on some ridiculous notions of team in a society and economy that has been purposefully designed to elevate individuals above groups? You expect an 18 or 19 year old kid to buck the value set of American ideals he's been taught are the most meaningful at the very moment he's about to realize his version of the American Dream? You actually think you're entitled to make a judgment on what he decides to do in pursuing his career dreams? Wow
 
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Completely agree with 3 years of college, not just for the reasons you mentioned, but also because it provides free marketing for the players before they go pro. They'd have college basketball fans baked into their career. As it stands, I never heard of Anthony Edwards even though he was picked first overall last year and I have no interest in watching him play because i have no background with him. The only way I will ever hear about him ever again is if he gets to the conference finals. Otherwise, he won't exist for me.
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Not exactly a game to write home about for the Ant Man though 😂
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No but he did play well vs the Lakers. Just showing a highlight to the guy since he won't watch him because he doesn't know anything about his family, or whatever the reason is.

If you're a Twolves fan I guess you can only hope for more losses this season so they can get a pick that falls between 1-3. Otherwise they don't get it.
 
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No but he did play well vs the Lakers. Just showing a highlight to the guy since he won't watch him because he doesn't know anything about his family, or whatever the reason is.

If you're a Twolves fan I guess you can only hope for more losses this season so they can get a pick that falls between 1-3. Otherwise they don't get it.
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Yep, I’m team tank. It’s a tricky situation though where you want the young guys to figure out how to win games while also losing games and staying at the bottom of the pack. The Timberwolves actually have a really encouraging young core in Edwards, Reid, Nowell, and Beasley, but one more top pick could position us really well for the future. And yeah, Edwards has had some really nice games - Lakers game was arguably his best of the year... guy went toe to toe with LeBron.

My unpopular opinion amongst Wolves fans: I’m on board with trading KAT for more young talent. He’s a great supplementary player, but not a guy who can be the centerpiece of a championship caliber team. We could get a helluva haul for him too
 
unoHawkeye said:
Yep, I’m team tank. It’s a tricky situation though where you want the young guys to figure out how to win games while also losing games and staying at the bottom of the pack. The Timberwolves actually have a really encouraging young core in Edwards, Reid, Nowell, and Beasley, but one more top pick could position us really well for the future. And yeah, Edwards has had some really nice games - Lakers game was arguably his best of the year... guy went toe to toe with LeBron.

My unpopular opinion amongst Wolves fans: I’m on board with trading KAT for more young talent. He’s a great supplementary player, but not a guy who can be the centerpiece of a championship caliber team. We could get a helluva haul for him too
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I'm sure Wolves fan will agree on Towns as more losses pile up. Man it would suck to be a Wolves fan, year after year of disappointment.

Before the season began NBATV was showing a bunch of old games...I watched a few of the 2004 playoff games & forgot Garnett played point guard once Cassell got hurt. Garnett single handedly beat the Kings in game 7 of round 2.
 
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