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If 4th-Year Presidents Shouldn't Do Things, How About 6th-Year Senators?

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If Fourth-Year Presidents Shouldn't Do Things, How About Sixth-Year Senators?
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is in the last year of his second term, Republican senators argue, so he should no longer have a say in something so important as who sits on the Supreme Court. Let's wait for the voters to weigh in this fall, they say.

But Obama isn't the only elected official in the last year of his term who has a key role in choosing the next justice, whose party may or may not hold onto his power post, and who generally makes consequential decisions.

The GOP logic seems to be that voters may have changed their minds about what sorts of leaders they want over the past three years, so rather than let Obama function for his full four-year term, the Senate should stall him. Beyond the Supreme Court vacancy, Republicans have also refused to hold hearings on Obama's budget, and one senator had himself recorded throwing Obama's final proposal to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison base into the trash.

If after a mere three years, however, Obama has lost his mandate, what about those other elected officials who haven't gone before the voters in five years?

There are 34 senators serving the final years of their six-year terms. Ten of them are Democrats, and 24 are Republicans, including at least seven facing difficult re-election fights.

The logic that says a president shouldn't be allowed to make a consequential appointment in his final year would seem to indicate those "lame duck" senators shouldn't be allowed to cast consequential votes. One might even suggest that argument is stronger against senators, who are one among one hundred, than against the singular president.

"I don't have any idea what that means," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) when presented with the lame-duck senator scenario. Graham, who is not currently up for re-election, is one of the Senate Judiciary Committee members who signed a letter Tuesday vowing that the committee would not hold hearings on an Obama nominee to the Supreme Court.

Graham had just left a news conference with Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) denouncing Obama for proposing to close the Gitmo prison camp.

"It's a ridiculous analogy, but I appreciate it," said Ayotte, who is facing a tough electoral challenge this year from New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan (D).

Democrats weren't so sure that the analogy was ridiculous, although one at least didn't think senators should stop doing their jobs voting or evaluating nominees.

"I'd not thought about that," said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who is not up for re-election in 2016. "I haven't thought about that because that would be an extension of their logic. I reject their logic."
 
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Lets face reality........the U.S. Congress only works Tues,
Wed, and Thurs. They are known for their 4 day weekends.
Career politicians spend half of their time raising money to
get reelected. The system is broken.

Preach it Lute.
 
If Fourth-Year Presidents Shouldn't Do Things, How About Sixth-Year Senators?
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is in the last year of his second term, Republican senators argue, so he should no longer have a say in something so important as who sits on the Supreme Court. Let's wait for the voters to weigh in this fall, they say.

But Obama isn't the only elected official in the last year of his term who has a key role in choosing the next justice, whose party may or may not hold onto his power post, and who generally makes consequential decisions.

The GOP logic seems to be that voters may have changed their minds about what sorts of leaders they want over the past three years, so rather than let Obama function for his full four-year term, the Senate should stall him. Beyond the Supreme Court vacancy, Republicans have also refused to hold hearings on Obama's budget, and one senator had himself recorded throwing Obama's final proposal to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison base into the trash.

If after a mere three years, however, Obama has lost his mandate, what about those other elected officials who haven't gone before the voters in five years?

There are 34 senators serving the final years of their six-year terms. Ten of them are Democrats, and 24 are Republicans, including at least seven facing difficult re-election fights.

The logic that says a president shouldn't be allowed to make a consequential appointment in his final year would seem to indicate those "lame duck" senators shouldn't be allowed to cast consequential votes. One might even suggest that argument is stronger against senators, who are one among one hundred, than against the singular president.

"I don't have any idea what that means," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) when presented with the lame-duck senator scenario. Graham, who is not currently up for re-election, is one of the Senate Judiciary Committee members who signed a letter Tuesday vowing that the committee would not hold hearings on an Obama nominee to the Supreme Court.

Graham had just left a news conference with Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) denouncing Obama for proposing to close the Gitmo prison camp.

"It's a ridiculous analogy, but I appreciate it," said Ayotte, who is facing a tough electoral challenge this year from New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan (D).

Democrats weren't so sure that the analogy was ridiculous, although one at least didn't think senators should stop doing their jobs voting or evaluating nominees.

"I'd not thought about that," said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who is not up for re-election in 2016. "I haven't thought about that because that would be an extension of their logic. I reject their logic."
No term limitations for U.S. Senators (sadly). Apples to oranges compared to a 2-term POTUS.
 
TERM LIMITS - I vote yes. As welfare was never meant to be a life style, nor was a political office.
 
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If you're in a position to do a job, you should do what that job says you should, and that's all. In the private sector, should a person on a "performance improvement plan" not do their job because they might get fired soon? Should a man whose retiring at the end of the year quit doing his job now and just be a seat warmer?

Dumb. Or maybe I should just give in and go pursue a government job.
 
You seem to be missing the whole point!

This has nothing to do with where a president is in his term.

It is all about this specific president ... Obama.

He has flouted every single rule that could be flouted, he has ignored the House and the Senate, and even the courts. he does not even follow procedure when making appointments, seeking to install appointees as recess appointments.

He is a rogue President. He has to be stopped and only by incorporating his own tactics can this be done. He and Reid and pelosi have yet to follow procedure or standard protocol in anything.

Once he is gone, hopefully we will get back to some sort standard of fair in Washington.
 
You seem to be missing the whole point!

This has nothing to do with where a president is in his term.

It is all about this specific president ... Obama.

He has flouted every single rule that could be flouted, he has ignored the House and the Senate, and even the courts. he does not even follow procedure when making appointments, seeking to install appointees as recess appointments.
You are saying Obama came up with the idea of "recess appointments"? Please go back and study your American Political History.
He is a rogue President. He has to be stopped and only by incorporating his own tactics can this be done. He and Reid and pelosi have yet to follow procedure or standard protocol in anything. Of course, Congress could have not threatened to impede every move he wants to make.

Once he is gone, hopefully we will get back to some sort standard of fair in Washington.
Until the Dems get control of the Legislative and the GOP gets control of the Executive. The Dems are sitting back and taking notes, Titus. Make no mistake here.
 
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You seem to be missing the whole point!

This has nothing to do with where a president is in his term.

It is all about this specific president ... Obama.

He has flouted every single rule that could be flouted, he has ignored the House and the Senate, and even the courts. he does not even follow procedure when making appointments, seeking to install appointees as recess appointments.

He is a rogue President. He has to be stopped and only by incorporating his own tactics can this be done. He and Reid and pelosi have yet to follow procedure or standard protocol in anything.

Once he is gone, hopefully we will get back to some sort standard of fair in Washington.


LOL, oh dear. A few weeks away from the wingnut echo chamber of lies and hatred would do wonders in curing your Obama Derangement Syndrome and in bringing you back to sanity and reality.
 
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Until the Dems get control of the Legislative and the GOP gets control of the Executive. The Dems are sitting back and taking notes, Titus. Make no mistake here.

I'll be shocked if this happens. Democrats care too much about the country to actually function to obstruct the way the GOP has. I don't think they have the resolve to resort to scorched Earth diplomacy the way the GOP has tried. I will say there is an argument to be made for how successful they have been with it.
 
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Ciggy has some major butt hurt about this SCOTUS thing.

It's fun to watch.
 
Because your president wants to play political games with it.......same as everything else he touches.
The Republicans' first words when they learned that Scalia had died was that they absolutely will not confirm anyone until next year and it's Obama playing politics. Right...
 
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You seem to be missing the whole point!

This has nothing to do with where a president is in his term.

It is all about this specific president ... Obama.

He has flouted every single rule that could be flouted, he has ignored the House and the Senate, and even the courts. he does not even follow procedure when making appointments, seeking to install appointees as recess appointments.

He is a rogue President. He has to be stopped and only by incorporating his own tactics can this be done. He and Reid and pelosi have yet to follow procedure or standard protocol in anything.

Once he is gone, hopefully we will get back to some sort standard of fair in Washington.
You are right about it being about Obama.

Everything else you said is scary delusional nonsense. You, my friend, are showing severe symptoms of Kool-Aid poisoning.

I'm not a big Obama fan, but have you been awake the last 7 years?
 
You're pulling out the smart card? Why post at all if that's all you can muster? Now you both look stupid.
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