if Jok does not come back
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I think the chances are minuscule so I'll pretend that I'm asked who the second string SG will be. I think Moss is gonna be a stud actually, so he's my vote.
just preparing in case he does not come back and nothing more,
to me Ellingson will get the 1st look then Moss, in the end I think Moss gets the job as I think Ellingson is the type of player that's will give Fran that instant scoring and Baer is the instant energy guy.
this is something all successful team need and do have
to me Ellingson will get the 1st look then Moss, in the end I think Moss gets the job as I think Ellingson is the type of player that's will give Fran that instant scoring and Baer is the instant energy guy.
this is something all successful team need and do have
Ellingson is gonna have to prove he can shoot first which he really hasn't done yet
Yes, he showed so much evidence of being instant offense. For him to have any opportunity to being remotely close to a starting BT player he's going to have to be a completely different player next year.
Those odds are better than you ever making sense.
No. Ellingson will not be the starter if Jok leaves, or his backup. I'm surprised he didn't transfer to be honest because I don't see a way going forward that he will ever get meaningful minutes at this level
you mean you saw that Marble was going to become a starter after his FR season when he shot 26.8% from 3 and 53% from the FTL and avg'd 5.7 ppg.
or how about Jok who avg'd 4.4 ppg as a FR
if you do you are flat out lying. even BJ Armstrong only avg'd 2.8 ppg as a FR. is this all you do is trash players for the U of IA.
or how about Jok who avg'd 4.4 ppg as a FR
if you do you are flat out lying. even BJ Armstrong only avg'd 2.8 ppg as a FR. is this all you do is trash players for the U of IA.
Jok is coming back. He really does not have an option unless it is an overseas league.
Marble did that as a true freshman. Ellingson put up worse numbers as a RS Freshman. Marble's production in his second year in the program far exceeds what Ellington did. Same goes for Jok compared to Ellingson.
You're really trying to compare Devyn, or BJ, or PJ, to a red shirt freshman who you just watched play terribly, quite frankly, every time he played?
If you can't see he doesn't have the physical attributes to compete with BT players at his position than you're dumber than I thought. He reminds me of Kent McCausland sans the shooting ability.
Let's be honest here, Fran completely whiffed on Ellingson, Flemming and Hutton.
Ellingson should join them and transfer too.
Jok will be the starter and Moss will back him up. Moss would have been backing him up this year,
but sounds like academics were a issue and missing out on PTL and weight training hurt his chances to
contribute.
Ellingson should join them and transfer too.
Jok will be the starter and Moss will back him up. Moss would have been backing him up this year,
but sounds like academics were a issue and missing out on PTL and weight training hurt his chances to
contribute.
Ellingson was coming off a foot injury so his time practicing was limited, Jok avg'd 7.0 ppg.
also who's scoring was he supposed to take away from RSSR Uthoff maybe JR Jok, of course then there are the 3 other SR's,
BE avg'd 27.3 % from 3, better than Marble, FT % 70% better than Marble, in fact Marbles fg % was 37.9 as a FR vs BE FG % 45.9 as a RSFR. bashing of BE is pathetic.
So what you imbecile. If you can't watch him on the court and see he does not have the physical ability, period, to compete with BT players you're beyond pathetic.
no what is pathetic is when people write a player off because of a RSFR Year. Gatens after his FR and SO season was way over weight and very slow,
then Fran arrived and had Gatens lose much needed weight and then it took till his SR year to dod what he did, SO year 30% from 3, JR year 30% from 3 AGAIN.
people were putting Marble down saying he was not Athletic enough to get a sniff from the NBA and yet he ended up a 2nd rnd NBA pick and is still in the NBA and this year he even got a raise,
nobody gave White any credit for being Athletic or fast and yet he was named a FR AA and ended up a 2nd rnd NBA Draft pick who was placed overseas, in fact every White player that plays for Fran gets the same label, to slow, NOT ATH, DOESN'T DESERVE A SCHOLAR SHIP.
McCabe, then Ogelsbe, then Gesell and now Ellingson. who's next Connor McCaffery because Ellingson is being set up to be the new WHIPPING BOY
I don't think that we can really say that Fran whiffed on these players since Hutton was redshirted, Fleming played very little, and Ellingson was replaced by Williams as the shooting guard off the bench because he wasn't hitting his open shots in a reserve role. Ellingson had a good game against Purdue playing against their taller and slower lineup so he may have a role eventually against those type of teams if he can become consistent with his shot.
Fleming appeared to be able to shoot but he was a defensive liability as a true freshman (not uncommon). Had he stayed at Iowa, that part of his game would have improved. Fleming however certainly appeared confident in his offensive game.
Again, I don't believe these players were whiffs. They (Fleming, Hutton) wanted more playing time and apparently didn't see that happening next year. Ellingson is willing to stay and work to improve his game and take a secondary role as a shooter off the bench.
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Moss will start at the 2 either way. Jok played the 3 all of last year. I figured with your high basketball IQ you would know this.
Jok played the SG as a FR, then started the previous season as the SG, hmmm he played where did out of need, remember played the SF didn't make him a SF now did it has he played the PF his SR.
that line up looked like this
PG Gesell
SG Jok
SF Uthoff
PF White
C Woodbury.
Ellingson was given the opportunity to be the SG but could not do it has a RSFR.
SO Uhl settled into the 6th man spot
JUCO RSJR Jones if not for injury might have actually been the SF allowing Jok to move back to the SG spot and allowed Clemmons to concentrate solely the PG spot, with Jones fully healthy Baer may not have got the chance to do what he did.
the top 8 could have looked like this
SR PG Gesell
JR SG Jok
RSJR SF Jones might have been the 3rd dbl digit scorer
RSSR PF Uthoff
SR C Woodbury
6-8
SR PG Clemmons
RSFR SG Ellingson
SO SF Uhl
9-12 would have been a pickum for the playing time. also in my opinion Uthoff needed to stay at the 3 as his game is perimeter oriented most of his blocks were from backside help defense,
this is why I am excited about this new group and the other SO's
Jones will be a RSSR who can play the 3-4-5, the 5 will be in a 3 forward lineup
Jok will be a SR who can play the 1-2-3
Uhl will be a SO who can play the 3-4-5, another that if he plays the 5 is in another 3 forward lineup
RSSO Ellingson who can play the SG/WG in the 2-3
RSSO Baer can play the 2-3-4
SO Wagner 3-4-5 another that will play the 5 in a 3 forward lineup just like Basabe used to do @ 6'7
SO Williams can play the 1-2-3
RSFR Moss can play the 1-2-3
FR Bohannon can play the 1-2
FR Pemsyl can play the 3-4-5 in a 3 forward line up
Cook can play the 4-5
Kriener can play the 4-5
none of these players are your typical players that can only play 1 position to be effective,
Woodbury strictly a center
White played the 3 but was actually better suited to play PF
Clemmon was a PG who played the 2 out of need
Gesell was a PG who also played the 2 out of need
Uthoff was A SF who played the 4 out of need
all 5 are now gone and in their place Fran has replaced them with players capable of playing multiple positions. which going forward makes this a better and deeper team.
maybe these experts want people associated with IA BB fired.
Jok is listed as a guard and he has played the guard position all but last season, why because none of the incoming guards took that job.
but hey you so called know it all's have already determined where he should play and CAN'T play anywhere else., maybe some of you should call Barta and tell him you want Fran's
job RIGHT NOW.as he clearly does know what he's doing.
Jok could play the 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 this coming season. As long as we are throwing crap at the wall why not this?
I am honestly surprised that so many posters have given up on Ellingson..... more so with the level of confidence expressed here that BE is a complete bust ..... even more with the subtle and not too subtle vitriol with which the opinion is expressed.
I think there is a decent chance he bounces back from a disappointing freshman season and provides some decent 3PT scoring off the bench. Then again, maybe he won't. However, to write him off after his first year seems way too premature.
I think there is a decent chance he bounces back from a disappointing freshman season and provides some decent 3PT scoring off the bench. Then again, maybe he won't. However, to write him off after his first year seems way too premature.
Not ready to give up on BE yet. He has his limitations but being able to shoot is a skill set that every team needs. We will find out next year if he is a good in game shooter.
Brady doesn't have to do it all. He just HAS to do what he does well. Otherwise, he'll see no time.
He also has to prove he can play defense. He was easily the worst defender on the team of the players who saw any minutes last season.
Fran had zero immediate playing time to offer to 2015 kids. It seemed obvious early that top players on our lists were not looking at iowa. 2016 was a different story to a certain extent, and I suspect that the trajectory slowly continues upward from here.
We used to live in a world where players frequently weren't contributors until their junior and senior seasons. Now fans demand players play minutes right away, otherwise they fall all over themselves in a competition to see who can claim the coach "whiffed".
Then we act surprised and shocked with the transfer culture!
Then we act surprised and shocked with the transfer culture!
Very good point. In the eyes of some posters Jok was a miss, right up to before this past season. Then he goes out and earns All Big Ten honors. But no problem, our favorite evaluation experts just move on to the next target. They always do.
if the matchup presents itself he can and did post up a smaller players, have you ever heard of a 5 guard lineup
6'1 Bohannon
6'4 Ellingson
6'5 Moss
6'6 Williams
6'6 Jok
like I said Fran has a lot of options now, after all some keep telling me Fran no longer needs a true center anymore. and they all can shoot the 3.
Dear lord. I'll bet you a million dollars this lineup never sees the floor even in a preseason game. Heck I'm sure if you attend every Iowa practice you'll Never see it. Plus you started a thread on who replaces jok but now in same thread you have some hypothetical lineup with him in it. Face palm...
I think this is spot on. I believe the last time Ellingson was ever on the court in the regular season was when he completely whiffed on a defensive assignment against Wisconsin.
Offensively, Ellingson actually wasn't that bad. He shot 46% from the field, although just 27% from three. Compare that to Jeff Horner's freshman season where he shot 33% from the field and 28% from three and I think it is only reasonable to conclude that Ellingson can still contribute offensively.
*Note, I am not saying Ellingson is as good/better than Horner. Horner was a great passer, a much better defender, and played a much more difficult role in the offense than what Ellingson is being asked to do. However, let's say Horner was not a great passer, and was not a PG. He still would have been a valuable role player given his shooting ability and his solid defense. Ellingson could be that type of role player. He has a good looking shot, and while he is limited athletically, he can still be a decent defender if he consistently gets himself in the right position.
I still have major doubts about Ellingson ever becoming a significant contributor, but I'm not going to write him off either.
We had better be able to do large scale line shifts every time we go on defense with that lineup.
it would not be a line up people will see but it could be a lineup that Fran can play in a up tempo game.
when was the last time IA had a team this deep to play this type of lineup, my favorite is one that goes the typical PG, SG, SF, PF and C, then as the game is being played Fran can mix it up with different line ups, 2 G 3 F, 3 G 2 F line up and the one I just listed,
this is what Fran has been building this team to do, play fast and score in transition. playing more Press and more man to man defenses, the zone covers up the weaknesses and Players with fouls,
as for the defensive ability of this group they have the speed to play solid man to man and run a full court press and most have long arms.
WTF. Of that 5 guard lineup you've never seen moss and Bohannon vs D1 players. Ellingson is not a good defender. Jok's biggest weakness is defense and Williams shown he can in little he's played. Seriously just stop while your behind.
Jok weakness is not defense as he had 40 steals right behind Gesell who had 42,
Jok finished 11th in the BT in steals and he played in 1 less game 2 if you count the fact IA played 30 regular season games and he missed 1 due to a injury, ALSO guess who started in his place, if you guessed Uhl give that man a carnival doll and Uhl responded with his career high in points to date.
nobody noteven you know how these players will play this fall. you are acting like they can't improve or they can't tie their own shoes yet.
Brody Boyd led the team in steals one year that didn't make him a good defensive player. Stop cherry picking one stat to prove your point, it's getting embarrassing.
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