IF KF won a national title
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I think it would also shut up the "shucks were just little ol' Iowa we cannot expect better than average" crowd. 
Not going to happen and I am not sure he will coach a BIG championship team IMO
I don't know what else would
Even though the next year we would probably be 6-6 after returning every starter from that previous team (sarcasm)
Even though the next year we would probably be 6-6 after returning every starter from that previous team (sarcasm)
Hmmmm..... The " hard corps" would probably argue they are "hard core" fans and nothing more.
If Kirk Ferentz were to win a national title at Iowa, I'd stop posting on HR forever.
There were fans taking credit for Ferentz "finally listening to them" and changing his ways during the Big Ten Championship year.
Think about that - they patted themselves on the back for previous years of bitching and moaning.
They had to create a "new Kirk" thing to cheer for him until things went bad and it was "old Kirks" fault. These are not normal behaviors.
I guess what I'm saying is I voted no.
Think about that - they patted themselves on the back for previous years of bitching and moaning.
They had to create a "new Kirk" thing to cheer for him until things went bad and it was "old Kirks" fault. These are not normal behaviors.
I guess what I'm saying is I voted no.
Id be happy with a bowl win before the Chinese Calendar turns over again.
There was that. But whenever Iowa has success there is a group of the complainers that go into hiding. It's really not a KF thing any coach the complainers will act the same way.
How do you shut up a group of people that don't exist?.........I think it would also shut up the "shucks were just little ol' Iowa we cannot expect better than average" crowd.
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If Kirk ever won a NC we wouldn't have to worry about those fans, because he'd be coaching an AFC North or East team the following year and we'd have put up a solid gold statue in his likeness by then. And my next child would be conceived beneath it.
The chances of Iowa winning a national championship in football are astronomically small. BUT, should that ever occur, then yes, Ferentz naysayers should never speak ill of him again.
HOWEVER, germane to the real issue is the overall results and health of the program. It's easy to make misjudgments about a program based on wins/losses alone. The real question, in my view, is: where is the program going and does it pass the eye test?
The Iowa program will likely never return to having a 3-year run like we saw from 2002-2004. And, in fairness, that's a pretty inflated expectation about anywhere in the country outside of maybe Ohio State and Alabama. Regardless, probably the best view of the Iowa program is from 2005 to the present (with 1999-2001 and 2002-2004 obviously being the anomalies or outliers). So, if we judge the program from 2005 on as the most accurate measure of Iowa football, which the pattern has been pretty consistent since that time, then we see Iowa is 100-66 in 13 seasons (with this year's bowl game yet to be played).
If you do the math, Iowa is averaging 7.7 wins a season since 2005. Based on the wins per season alone, that's not great, but not too bad, either. However, what the average wins per season don't factor in are one) the schedule strength every year and two) whom those wins and losses occurred to. Clearly, Iowa has won some big games they shouldn't have during that time frame, and in turn lost quite a few games they probably shouldn't have.
To me, that is Iowa football under Kirk Ferentz. You get extremely wild, inconsistent results--more than probably what the norm is for the rest of the country. I think that is what is terribly frustrating for a lot of people. And, depending on the type of fan you are, you either focus on the positive end of the spectrum (Orange Bowl win, upset wins over Top 5 teams in Kinnick, and a 12-0 undefeated regular season) or you focus on the other end (losses to MAC teams and 2-10 Iowa State teams, below average recruiting, and terrible offensive numbers).
As I've said many times, I personally have been ready for a change since 2012, namely because I think the product on the field is stale and boring. However, since Iowa is locked into a contract with Ferentz for the foreseeable future, fans have to accept Iowa football will be wildly inconsistent in terms of the results. Next year, it is certainly possible Iowa can have one of those improbable 12-2 type seasons to be followed up with a 7-6 campaign in 2019. That's how it works and it likely isn't going to change.
HOWEVER, germane to the real issue is the overall results and health of the program. It's easy to make misjudgments about a program based on wins/losses alone. The real question, in my view, is: where is the program going and does it pass the eye test?
The Iowa program will likely never return to having a 3-year run like we saw from 2002-2004. And, in fairness, that's a pretty inflated expectation about anywhere in the country outside of maybe Ohio State and Alabama. Regardless, probably the best view of the Iowa program is from 2005 to the present (with 1999-2001 and 2002-2004 obviously being the anomalies or outliers). So, if we judge the program from 2005 on as the most accurate measure of Iowa football, which the pattern has been pretty consistent since that time, then we see Iowa is 100-66 in 13 seasons (with this year's bowl game yet to be played).
If you do the math, Iowa is averaging 7.7 wins a season since 2005. Based on the wins per season alone, that's not great, but not too bad, either. However, what the average wins per season don't factor in are one) the schedule strength every year and two) whom those wins and losses occurred to. Clearly, Iowa has won some big games they shouldn't have during that time frame, and in turn lost quite a few games they probably shouldn't have.
To me, that is Iowa football under Kirk Ferentz. You get extremely wild, inconsistent results--more than probably what the norm is for the rest of the country. I think that is what is terribly frustrating for a lot of people. And, depending on the type of fan you are, you either focus on the positive end of the spectrum (Orange Bowl win, upset wins over Top 5 teams in Kinnick, and a 12-0 undefeated regular season) or you focus on the other end (losses to MAC teams and 2-10 Iowa State teams, below average recruiting, and terrible offensive numbers).
As I've said many times, I personally have been ready for a change since 2012, namely because I think the product on the field is stale and boring. However, since Iowa is locked into a contract with Ferentz for the foreseeable future, fans have to accept Iowa football will be wildly inconsistent in terms of the results. Next year, it is certainly possible Iowa can have one of those improbable 12-2 type seasons to be followed up with a 7-6 campaign in 2019. That's how it works and it likely isn't going to change.
No, the shit would continue,... The story would be that he won it due to a weak schedule, injured opponents or a lot of luck. It would be described as a feat, never to be repeated. Same things they say about the 2015 12-0 season, this year's near win over Penn State and the recent Ohio State upset...
Let me add this: Kirk Ferentz has never beaten Iowa State four years in a row, as hard as that is to believe. Next year he has the opportunity to do that inside Kinnick.
If Iowa won a national championship, the people who dislike Ferentz now would say either (1) that Ferentz finally made the changes that they had been asking for all along (and question why it took Ferentz so long to figure it out), or (2) Ferentz got so lucky with a team so talented that even he couldn't screw it up.
You want to have continued success. Not one good season followed by a bunch of 7-5 seasons. So no, a national title alone would not (and should not) give a coach a free pass for eternity.
Well, given the near impossibility for over 90 percent of college football programs across the country to win a national championship, statement one is just flat out stupid. Statement two about needing talent and luck is accurate until you get to the " even he couldn't screw it up" part, which would be the most stupid statement of all. A lot of competent coaches never won a national championship.
This isn't directed at you per se, but I don't understand this ridiculous hypothetical of winning a national championship as a defense or explanation of Ferentz's tenure at Iowa. There have been plenty of highs, a few lows, and a lot of mediocrity under Ferentz. Posing an unrealistic hypothetical (and one that is frankly spurious to the point) doesn't change that.
Nope, it'd still continue. Some people need something to bitch about. No fan base is ever totally satisfied no matter how successful.
Well, you can kind of understand how that rationale in a certain segment of the fan base has come about, given the University of Iowa AD's penchant for rewarding Ferentz with insanely lucrative multi-year contract extensions following a 10 + win season that apparently negates the 3 seasons of mediocrity that preceded it and the 3-4 that will come after it.
Better question, I think, would be, would the fan base be happy with consistent 8-4's with the occasional anomaly 10-2's or 11-1's AND the occasional anomaly 6-6's?
Apparently not, that's what we enjoy now.
The fact 44.7% of people are voting "No" on this poll is ample evidence to prove half this board is delusional.
Give me a Rose Bowl win in one of the next 4 seasons or at least two New Year's 6 Day Bowl wins over the next 4 seasons, and I'd say that would close the book on Ferentz detractors. The money argument is tired and old.
We have a 38 year old in Ames making $3.5M for going 10-14 over the last two years including 0-2 against Iowa.
I don't think Ferentz finally topped the $3.5M mark until after the Orange Bowl win in 2010. At that point he had shared several B1G titles, two BCS bowls, numerous January 1st bowls, his 4th top 10 AP finish in 11 years...
Give me a Rose Bowl win in one of the next 4 seasons or at least two New Year's 6 Day Bowl wins over the next 4 seasons, and I'd say that would close the book on Ferentz detractors. The money argument is tired and old.
We have a 38 year old in Ames making $3.5M for going 10-14 over the last two years including 0-2 against Iowa.
I don't think Ferentz finally topped the $3.5M mark until after the Orange Bowl win in 2010. At that point he had shared several B1G titles, two BCS bowls, numerous January 1st bowls, his 4th top 10 AP finish in 11 years...
Let's, at the very least, win a Rose Bowl when its a non-playoff site. Winning a Rose Bowl, or attending at least more than one, should be on every coaches radar, and it should be expected if you're a mid to upper tier Big Ten squad. 1/19 and 0/19 appearances/wins is NOT good. We have as many appearances as Illinois does in the RB game in the last 20 years...they pretty much ended the same way.
Jimbo Fisher is hightailing it out of town 4 years after a national title because the fan base can't stand him. Phil Fulmer's NC didn't help him avoid the ax. Gene Chizik lasted two seasons after his NC. And on and on and on it goes.
Football fans are entirely irrational. Go to any board and you will see it. Look at the public reactions to current hiring processes that are going on right now.
Football fans are entirely irrational. Go to any board and you will see it. Look at the public reactions to current hiring processes that are going on right now.
You do understand that getting to the Rose Bowl isn't always a direct path anymore, right? Like when we ended up in the Orange Bowl against SC should've been a Rose Bowl.
You are dead on @ichawk24. Well said.
And quite frankly, we've had a thrill or two during Kirk's era. For all practical purposes the B1G Championship Game was a playoff game. We were in had we won. In 2009 we got screwed by the officials and lost to NW and Stanzi got hurt. We then took Ohio State to OT. Say what you wish, but that team was damn good and a few people got a glimpse of the high altitudes.
I'm sure as hell not unhappy with Mr. Ferentz.
Give me stability. I was not bored against Ohio State this year. I was not bored at Nebraska. And yes, I agonized and bitched like hell after Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Northwestern. But WTF, before and during the season I'm an irrational football fan. That's why it's so damn much fun!!!
