Agree! One of worst calls I have ever seen.
If Refs don't miss Brady's TO and the Gopher's foot being out of bounds, Iowa wins
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Excellent point about the quick tie up call SOta, the refs actually effed up 3 times on that one play
Hell, I heard it very clearly via my TV hundreds of miles away. The announcers heard it - Bardo and the play-by-play guy (Kruger maybe?) and then drop it after awhile. Of course they correctly pointed out the OOB as well initially.
It was so obvious. But of course, it was just incompetence according to some.
No. He realized he was trapped and dribbled toward the corner to give himself some space and FACED THE REF to call the timeout!
Okay, you stand up for that call at the end of regulation then. You truly think it was a jump ball even though Bohannon always had possession and never truly split it with a defender.
I have already stated multiple times that the refs blew the call and they are incompetent asshats. However, I'm not making the grand conspiracy leap.
No one coaches or tells their player to dribble to the corner. He became trap material. If he had left himself room thing would have been easier.
Chad Leistikow @ChadLeistikow 1h1 hour agoThe entire Iowa coaching staff is out on the court. Arguing somebody called timeout. Instead, jump ball and Minnesota possession.
OK, I'm not expecting a conspiracy theory. But explain the logic on that call. Do you think it was correct? Just give your unfiltered opinion.
With the miss TO aside, just once, I'd like to see coach Fran sit his behind on the bench in the last minute of a close game and defer to one of his assistants to manage the game...can't be much worse then what he's produced so far in close games here at Iowa...if they had won just half of them under Fran Iowa would have won 15 to 20 more game in the last 7 years.....just saying. One thing you can always count on with coach, is more unfulfilled endings to close games then victory's....
You can't just say "with the miss TO aside..." Iowa did everything they needed to to win the game and that ended it. We would have had our best (hasn't missed a friggin FT this year) shooter at the line to make it a two possession game with like 15 seconds left. That's ballgame
Count me in. The whole conference, affiliates, everyone throughout the night reiterated how much Minny needed it and Iowa not so much. It was plain as day from announcers, to their Twitter only showing gopher highlights, to Crispin back in the studio. I firmly believe they talk amongst themselves about games and how they will handle things. They have been close with making things obvious before but this one takes the cake.
If Minny doesn't make the tournament, you're looking at Wisconsin, Purdue, Marlyand, maybe NW, maybe MSU.
That's it. 3-5 teams making it is unacceptable & a black eye to a 'basketball conference'. Need to squeeze another in an Minny clearly had the better shot tonight than Iowa.
If Minny doesn't make the tournament, you're looking at Wisconsin, Purdue, Marlyand, maybe NW, maybe MSU.
That's it. 3-5 teams making it is unacceptable & a black eye to a 'basketball conference'. Need to squeeze another in an Minny clearly had the better shot tonight than Iowa.
What specifically should he have done differently? I think he should have called a timeout at 90-87 in 2OT. Is that what you mean? Or just not get completely boned by the refs? That would have been a good move too
I have said ad nausea that the call(s) were unequivocally wrong. As far as logic goes, I can only reckon that they blew it through human error. Which is also known as: epic, gross, pathetic, feeble, woeful, pitiful, deplorable, wretched INCOMPETENCE.
They can during the last two minutes of the half and of the game. Question is why didnt they reverse it? They had to have seen it. They must have a little eye site even if they are apparently deaf.
So if I follow this theory, then why are the referees not determining the outcome of Northwestern games to ensure they make the dance? (They would also bring the BIG tournament qualifiers numbers up and would be the 'feel good' story of the tournament.)
Furthermore, if the fix is in with Minnesota how did the BIG allow them to lose 5 in a row, and the two OT games earlier in the year which clearly put their chances in jeopardy?
I hope this is not an attempt to excuse the utter incompetence displayed by the referees tonight. They know exactly what they signed up for, and it's an EXPECTATION that they get those calls right, especially in the last 30 seconds with the additional benefit they have of reviewing bonehead calls.
I'll tell you exactly what he was told to do. Don't make any cross court or lob passes. Don't try to dribble through a double team. All of which can lead to a quick basket by the opposiion. He was told to hold the ball and let the clock run and when the opposition gets close to call time out. Which is what he did. Right in front of the official who was looking right at him and REUSED to give it.
Their RPI is 24. They weren't going anywhere up until tonight; back against the wall. Fran told these gentleman that there would be an ensuing timeout on a miss. This was no accident. Several times it could have been corrected. They even had review in their pockets if they questioned themselves!
Bottom line is that it was a premeditated decision & it was near the final chance (barring missed ft's) to keep Minny in it.
Side note: how bad have jumpballs gotten anyways? Reaching in and putting a finger on the ball means it was a fully contested tie-up? It's a cop out for several of these refs who don't want to deal with the mess.
Not a fix or something determined in advance, however, why does everyone seem to think that because a person is an official that he has no bias, like we all do? When you react as an official the majority of the time the call will be a good one. When the official thinks and or perhaps has a preference for any reason is when obvious mistakes like this occur.
Chad Leistikow @ChadLeistikow 32m32 minutes ago
Fran McCaffery would not address the lack of timeout call in the press conference. Clearly frustrated.
Fran McCaffery would not address the lack of timeout call in the press conference. Clearly frustrated.
Chad Leistikow @ChadLeistikow 33m33 minutes ago
Jordan Bohannon: “Yeah, me and Brady (both were yelling for TO). I know Brady was calling timeout. ... It wasn’t able to be heard, I guess.”
Jordan Bohannon: “Yeah, me and Brady (both were yelling for TO). I know Brady was calling timeout. ... It wasn’t able to be heard, I guess.”
Chad Leistikow @ChadLeistikow 35m35 minutes ago
Brady Ellingson: "You never want to leave a game up for the refs to make a call. I should’ve called timeout right away.”
Brady Ellingson: "You never want to leave a game up for the refs to make a call. I should’ve called timeout right away.”
In this case I would 110% be on board with fully automated basketball referees in the future. It's not a classic love story like baseball, which should always stay with the human factors. It can be done and should be done. CBB would be nothing without betting & brackets from a tournament, because the game is a serious strain to watch otherwise.
I have never made the assertion that refs are not human thus incapable of showing bias. In fact, if you do some research you will find that a home court advantage really has nothing to do with the physical court, or the support of the fans that gets players pumped up. Rather it has more to do with an atmosphere that is created that helps the home team get more close calls which can ultimately help them win the game. So yes I agree with the idea that a 'home team' bias exists. That's nearly irrefutable. However, I don't think that it anything to do with who is on the bubble for the NCAA tournament.
So can you clearly tell me on what calls the refs 'reacted' and on which calls the refs 'thought'?
Also, if tonights game was played AT Iowa do you think the refs would have made the same call?
Scott Dochterman @ScottDochterman 1h1 hour ago
I was courtside for 2013 B1G quarters with a series of bad calls. That game was way more important but these errors were worse.
I was courtside for 2013 B1G quarters with a series of bad calls. That game was way more important but these errors were worse.
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Dan Barreiro @DanBarreiroKFAN 2h2 hours ago
At expense of Iowa at end of regulation, Gophers on Murphy fifth foul, ref crew worthy of Wednesday night at the Y
Dan Barreiro @DanBarreiroKFAN 2h2 hours agoAt expense of Iowa at end of regulation, Gophers on Murphy fifth foul, ref crew worthy of Wednesday night at the Y
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Andy Garman @GarmanSports 1h1 hour ago
"Let's just say there's a lot I'm upset about" - McCaffery on the Hawkeye radio postgame show. Wouldn't talk about the end of regulation.
Andy Garman @GarmanSports 1h1 hour ago"Let's just say there's a lot I'm upset about" - McCaffery on the Hawkeye radio postgame show. Wouldn't talk about the end of regulation.
No doubt they are good shot-blockers but we got mugged as well. I was pissed when Cordell was steam-rolled under the basket and no call. Apparently, no blood or broken bones, hence the no call.
To answer your queston...yes, i think the one official would have made the same calls. 14 block shots?? How many with major contact? If home crowds can sway officials in your opinion, then why not a favorite coach or favorite team. How about a coach or a team an official doesnt like? It's no secret that besides being a poor overall official the little one making the same calls all night does not like FRAN. I can tell you without a doubt he thought on the jump ball call. Otherwise he would have reacted to the request for a time out which came well before any potential tie up.
So just to be clear are you saying that the 'little one' was intentionally trying to miss calls because he doesn't like Fran?
But is it though? Let's get an answer so we can know whether to really give the Big Ten heat for this or not.
I'm saying he did not react as he should have as any official should have. I'm saying he gave the mn players EVERY opportunity, because he wanted to. Take it from there. There is no disputing that he does not like fran so look at it however you want to but don't be so naive to believe just because he or anyone is an official they dont have their own likes and dislikes...call then biases if you want.
