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I'm over the letdown, it was a good year overall, but

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My prediction for next year is at least 20 wins.
Hawks will be top 4 in the B1G
Hawks will win 2 minimum in BTT
Hawks will get to the Sweet Sixteen
Next year's team has 10 players returning( as of now), and are by far more athletic, ie.quicker hands and feet, bigger overall, run faster, jump higher, and IMO shoot better, don't believe me then wait and see. Experience helps, talent wins out and we won't be with 10 players returning, be without experience. They will lose a game they shouldn't but will win more going forward as the team gells. That's my predictions, see you in the fall or maybe at a PTL game late summer.
 
I have seen comparisons to the 2007 team where we only had Adam back but the difference is today our roster is much, much better and more athletic 2 through 13 than that roster ever was. I think 10-3 in pre-season, 10-8 conf, 1-1 BTT can get us a 10 or 11 seed.
 
I'm optimistic like the OP, some things need to happen like Jones being 100% and Bohannon not being a major defensive liability but this will be the most athletic team yet and it is not even close.
 
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OP is drinking all of the hawkeye kool-aid

Great contribution moron. Care to share anything worthwhile, or just trolling?

OP may be a tad optimistic, but I see no reason for Iowa to not be a good team next year. We will have our lumps early in the season, but will gain experience and be playing pretty well towards the end of the year, IMO.
 
My prediction for next year is at least 20 wins.
Hawks will be top 4 in the B1G
Hawks will win 2 minimum in BTT
Hawks will get to the Sweet Sixteen
Next year's team has 10 players returning( as of now), and are by far more athletic, ie.quicker hands and feet, bigger overall, run faster, jump higher, and IMO shoot better, don't believe me then wait and see. Experience helps, talent wins out and we won't be with 10 players returning, be without experience. They will lose a game they shouldn't but will win more going forward as the team gells. That's my predictions, see you in the fall or maybe at a PTL game late summer.


The well is certainly NOT empty. There are quite a few players returning. I would have to wager more than all but a couple of teams in the B1G. That says something. Player retention is huge. It adds to continuity, and basketball is a team sport. That will make sure we are not a bad team, and quite possibly a good team. I am looking forward to it. They will improve throughout the year. Count me in on the 2016-17 Hawkeyes!

Here is to reloading and not rebuilding!
 
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I've seen a lot of comments about returning players being more athletic, running faster and jumping higher. I just wonder why all these athletic guys didn't get more playing time this year.
Well 1 of them Moss who seems legit RS, so there is 1 big reason. Secondly 2 if not 3 of the incoming true Freshman will be in the top 10. So there is 4 players who were not able to "Contribute" This year. The rest is loyalty to the Seniors. Pretty simple.
 
OP is drinking all of the hawkeye kool-aid

I see nothing wrong with this post. It is exactly what I was thinking as well. I think Iowa can reach 20 wins next season but I don't think 20 wins equates to the OP's optimism. There should be 15 or so wins against inferior opponents. I think Iowa will notch another 5 or so against similar opponents or superior opponents.

I've seen a lot of comments about returning players being more athletic, running faster and jumping higher. I just wonder why all these athletic guys didn't get more playing time this year.

More athletic doesn't always equate to better basketball player. Williams was more physically gifted than Gessell, but he wasn't the better basketball player this season. Almost everyone on the team was more athletic than Woody, but he was very good at what Fran asked him to do. Iowa will be more athletic next season. Not many people will dispute that. The question is will Iowa be a better basketball team next season because they are more athletic?
 
Great contribution moron. Care to share anything worthwhile, or just trolling?

OP may be a tad optimistic, but I see no reason for Iowa to not be a good team next year. We will have our lumps early in the season, but will gain experience and be playing pretty well towards the end of the year, IMO.
Yes it is so realistic to project that next year's team will greatly exceed the accomplishments of this year's team. OP's projections would have next year's team as the most accomplished Iowa team in 10 years and going farther in the tournament than the 05-06 team.

Top 4 in the B1G? Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin all return most of their teams that played in the postseason. Michigan State will reload and still have Izzo running the show. Purdue loses Hammons and Davis, but return a very talented frontcourt of Swanigan/Haas/Edwards and all of their backcourt. That's 5 teams that is very hard to project Iowa in front of. Hell, Maryland could be the favorite if most of their guys return and Northwestern/Illinois are dark horses if they stay healthy. Projecting top 4 in the B1G is sipping the kool-aid.

Next year 58% of the total minutes played will have to be replaced. There is no definite answer at PG and we all know how important of a position that is. You can say Williams showed promise down the stretch, but to think he will be able to match the play of Gesell next year is very homerish. There will be a big hole in the post both, defensively and on the boards. Has anybody on the roster shown the ability to play the 5 in the B1G at even an average level? No. The team is a Jok injury away from having to start two freshman guards in the B1G. That is a recipe for disaster. Who will replace the scoring of Uthoff? So many questions to be answered and it is chugging the hawkeye kool-aid if you think they will all be answered next year. Can many of these things happen? Yes they could, but you're being a complete homer if believe all of them will happen, which is pretty much what would have to happen for all of the OP's projections to come true.
 
Yes it is so realistic to project that next year's team will greatly exceed the accomplishments of this year's team. OP's projections would have next year's team as the most accomplished Iowa team in 10 years and going farther in the tournament than the 05-06 team.

Top 4 in the B1G? Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin all return most of their teams that played in the postseason. Michigan State will reload and still have Izzo running the show. Purdue loses Hammons and Davis, but return a very talented frontcourt of Swanigan/Haas/Edwards and all of their backcourt. That's 5 teams that is very hard to project Iowa in front of. Hell, Maryland could be the favorite if most of their guys return and Northwestern/Illinois are dark horses if they stay healthy. Projecting top 4 in the B1G is sipping the kool-aid.

Next year 58% of the total minutes played will have to be replaced. There is no definite answer at PG and we all know how important of a position that is. You can say Williams showed promise down the stretch, but to think he will be able to match the play of Gesell next year is very homerish. There will be a big hole in the post both, defensively and on the boards. Has anybody on the roster shown the ability to play the 5 in the B1G at even an average level? No. The team is a Jok injury away from having to start two freshman guards in the B1G. That is a recipe for disaster. Who will replace the scoring of Uthoff? So many questions to be answered and it is chugging the hawkeye kool-aid if you think they will all be answered next year. Can many of these things happen? Yes they could, but you're being a complete homer if believe all of them will happen, which is pretty much what would have to happen for all of the OP's projections to come true.


Swanigan declared for the draft and Maryland losses a lot and Melo hasn't yet decided what he's doing. Also, don't discount the value or lack of value int he unbalanced schedule. That ultimately inflated Iowa's status by early Feb and also benefitted Wisky, Indiana and MSU as they could bring their teams along to peak at the proper time. If Iowa hadn't peaked when they did, they would have been NIT bound.
 
Swanigan declared for the draft and Maryland losses a lot and Melo hasn't yet decided what he's doing. Also, don't discount the value or lack of value int he unbalanced schedule. That ultimately inflated Iowa's status by early Feb and also benefitted Wisky, Indiana and MSU as they could bring their teams along to peak at the proper time. If Iowa hadn't peaked when they did, they would have been NIT bound.
Swanigan is most likely coming back. He didn't hire an agent, so he is able to test the NBA draft waters out, but will be able to return when he doesn't like what he finds. Trimble is now projected in the late first/second round and Stone is project late lottery/mid-first. I would not be surprised to see one or both return next year to join Carter (probably will be 1st team all-B1G) and Wiley (was hurt the whole year) with all of their bench returning. Wisky had the hardest schedule in the conference, how did that benefit them?
 
I see nothing wrong with this post. It is exactly what I was thinking as well. I think Iowa can reach 20 wins next season but I don't think 20 wins equates to the OP's optimism. There should be 15 or so wins against inferior opponents. I think Iowa will notch another 5 or so against similar opponents or superior opponents.



More athletic doesn't always equate to better basketball player. Williams was more physically gifted than Gessell, but he wasn't the better basketball player this season. Almost everyone on the team was more athletic than Woody, but he was very good at what Fran asked him to do. Iowa will be more athletic next season. Not many people will dispute that. The question is will Iowa be a better basketball team next season because they are more athletic?

That is of course the question that we can't answer at this time. There are dozens and dozens of D1 basketball teams that are loaded with great athletes, but they aren't very good basketball players. We have some great athletes on next years team.....Uhl, Jok, Wagner, Moss & Williams to name a few. The best basketball players may well be Jok, Baer,Jones, Bohannon & Cook. Who knows? It will be fun to see it unfold and to see if they can develop some chemistry.
 
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I think this team will take their lumps through out the season. I think you will see them lose a few head scratcher games and also upset some teams. They will be young and raw, but if Jok can take the leadership role and be a "buddy Heild" type of player, Iowa will be in good shape. I think Jok will improve his game even more into next year. IT will all depend on PG play. We will have the Post players, now all we need is a good PG.

I'll say early indications this team will be between 16-20 wins (9-9 to 12-6 in BTP). I think this will be a "bubble" team but they will be in the post-season either way.
 
Yes it is so realistic to project that next year's team will greatly exceed the accomplishments of this year's team. OP's projections would have next year's team as the most accomplished Iowa team in 10 years and going farther in the tournament than the 05-06 team.

Top 4 in the B1G? Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin all return most of their teams that played in the postseason. Michigan State will reload and still have Izzo running the show. Purdue loses Hammons and Davis, but return a very talented frontcourt of Swanigan/Haas/Edwards and all of their backcourt. That's 5 teams that is very hard to project Iowa in front of. Hell, Maryland could be the favorite if most of their guys return and Northwestern/Illinois are dark horses if they stay healthy. Projecting top 4 in the B1G is sipping the kool-aid.

Next year 58% of the total minutes played will have to be replaced. There is no definite answer at PG and we all know how important of a position that is. You can say Williams showed promise down the stretch, but to think he will be able to match the play of Gesell next year is very homerish. There will be a big hole in the post both, defensively and on the boards. Has anybody on the roster shown the ability to play the 5 in the B1G at even an average level? No. The team is a Jok injury away from having to start two freshman guards in the B1G. That is a recipe for disaster. Who will replace the scoring of Uthoff? So many questions to be answered and it is chugging the hawkeye kool-aid if you think they will all be answered next year. Can many of these things happen? Yes they could, but you're being a complete homer if believe all of them will happen, which is pretty much what would have to happen for all of the OP's projections to come true.


Thank you for at least posting a response instead of smack talk. While I agree that the OP is being overly optimistic, I certainly don't see any reason to not see some potential and to be plenty optimistic about the hawks next year.

I will give you Wisconsin. They return a lot and should be pretty solid next year. However, they are the reason I have hope for Iowa next year. Wisconsin was terrible to start the season. I suspect Iowa will be as well next season. However, the talent is there and the team very well could start clicking at the right time.

I disagree that top 4 in the BIG is sipping the kool aid. Sorry, but UM and OSU don't strike the fear in me at all right now. MSU always will be dangerous and as I already said Wisky should be solid. Purdue loses plenty and as of right now, Swanigan has declared. You have no clue whether or not he will be back. This is a Purdue team Iowa beat twice this year and in no way shape or form would I put them ahead of Iowa right now. Maryland is unknown right now. That team could look very different next season, so will wait to comment.

Illinois and Northwestern are darkhorses? In whose eyes? yours? As far as I am concerned, so is Nebraska and PSu. big deal.

Bottom line. Iowa will be competitive and could very well finish in the top 4 next year. Not a chance in hell will I count them out, and that is not drinking the kool aid.
 
Thank you for at least posting a response instead of smack talk. While I agree that the OP is being overly optimistic, I certainly don't see any reason to not see some potential and to be plenty optimistic about the hawks next year.

I will give you Wisconsin. They return a lot and should be pretty solid next year. However, they are the reason I have hope for Iowa next year. Wisconsin was terrible to start the season. I suspect Iowa will be as well next season. However, the talent is there and the team very well could start clicking at the right time.

I disagree that top 4 in the BIG is sipping the kool aid. Sorry, but UM and OSU don't strike the fear in me at all right now. MSU always will be dangerous and as I already said Wisky should be solid. Purdue loses plenty and as of right now, Swanigan has declared. You have no clue whether or not he will be back. This is a Purdue team Iowa beat twice this year and in no way shape or form would I put them ahead of Iowa right now. Maryland is unknown right now. That team could look very different next season, so will wait to comment.

Illinois and Northwestern are darkhorses? In whose eyes? yours? As far as I am concerned, so is Nebraska and PSu. big deal.

Bottom line. Iowa will be competitive and could very well finish in the top 4 next year. Not a chance in hell will I count them out, and that is not drinking the kool aid.
Swanigan wont be going pro unless he's fine with getting drafted in the second round. The whole reason Iowa won those games was because of Woody's defense. The rest of the nation would put Purdue ahead of Iowa next year in every way, shape, and form. It's great that UM and OSU dont strike fear into you, but with their coaches they'll still be competing for byes in the BTT regardless of what you think. Illinois returns everybody significant and a number of players back from injury and Malcolm Hill will compete for POTY. They beat some teams this year and will only get better. Northwestern is just off of my gut because Chris Collins is a hell of a coach and they have McIntosh and Law returning as high level players.
 
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Swanigan wont be going pro unless he's fine with getting drafted in the second round. The whole reason Iowa won those games was because of Woody's defense. The rest of the nation would put Purdue ahead of Iowa next year in every way, shape, and form. It's great that UM and OSU dont strike fear into you, but with their coaches they'll still be competing for byes in the BTT regardless of what you think. Illinois returns everybody significant and a number of players back from injury and Malcolm Hill will compete for POTY. They beat some teams this year and will only get better. Northwestern is just off of my gut because Chris Collins is a hell of a coach and they have McIntosh and Law returning as high level players.

Umm don't they have a couple of guys arrested and getting into trouble? Will those guys even be allowed back on the team? Just curious, sounds like Groce is on his last leg in Champaign.

I see the conference looking like this for next year:

Top Tier: Anyone of these teams could win the Big Ten-
Wisky (return everyone should be top 10)
OSU (Same as wisky, return majority of players)
MICH (Losing 2 key players, but return a good core)
MSU (need I say anymore, re-loaded and good)
Indiana (They will lose some key components but still be strong)

Middle Tier: These are teams who could be NCAA bubble or NIT
Iowa (a lot of unknowns, but return 6 guys PT experience)
Purdue (lack of guards puts them here)
Illinois (trouble in Champaign, arrests and issues amongst the team)
Maryland (Depends on who declares and what they bring in)
Nebbie (Lose a couple of key players, still could compete)
NW (Collins is a great coach, IDK who has coming in though)

Bottom Tier:
Rutgers (Rebuilding and going to struggle)
PSU (Got a good recruiting class, just gonna need to grow)
Minny (Pinto will be his last year at Minny)
 
Yes it is so realistic to project that next year's team will greatly exceed the accomplishments of this year's team. OP's projections would have next year's team as the most accomplished Iowa team in 10 years and going farther in the tournament than the 05-06 team.

Top 4 in the B1G? Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin all return most of their teams that played in the postseason. Michigan State will reload and still have Izzo running the show. Purdue loses Hammons and Davis, but return a very talented frontcourt of Swanigan/Haas/Edwards and all of their backcourt. That's 5 teams that is very hard to project Iowa in front of. Hell, Maryland could be the favorite if most of their guys return and Northwestern/Illinois are dark horses if they stay healthy. Projecting top 4 in the B1G is sipping the kool-aid.

Next year 58% of the total minutes played will have to be replaced. There is no definite answer at PG and we all know how important of a position that is. You can say Williams showed promise down the stretch, but to think he will be able to match the play of Gesell next year is very homerish. There will be a big hole in the post both, defensively and on the boards. Has anybody on the roster shown the ability to play the 5 in the B1G at even an average level? No. The team is a Jok injury away from having to start two freshman guards in the B1G. That is a recipe for disaster. Who will replace the scoring of Uthoff? So many questions to be answered and it is chugging the hawkeye kool-aid if you think they will all be answered next year. Can many of these things happen? Yes they could, but you're being a complete homer if believe all of them will happen, which is pretty much what would have to happen for all of the OP's projections to come true.
Is it? Bc you only gave examples of 5 other teams that may or may not be better than Iowa based onto us personal assumptions. Therefore Iowa could be 6th in your eyes, or at least you could only come up with 5 possible examples (based on assumptions)....therefore is predicting top 4 next year so far fetched? or in your words "drinking Kool aid".....it's not like OP said big ten champs and or final 4. You also realize Iowa has been 5th last 2 years as well, but than again with your post history we are all sure you would being a big Iowa fan and all...
 
Is it? Bc you only gave examples of 5 other teams that may or may not be better than Iowa based onto us personal assumptions. Therefore Iowa could be 6th in your eyes, or at least you could only come up with 5 possible examples (based on assumptions)....therefore is predicting top 4 next year so far fetched? or in your words "drinking Kool aid".....it's not like OP said big ten champs and or final 4. You also realize Iowa has been 5th last 2 years as well, but than again with your post history we are all sure you would being a big Iowa fan and all...
5th with two much more experienced teams, so basically you're just supporting my point now. Looks like Jok might not even be returning now
 
I'm a troll because I'm not a sunshine pumper? Sorry that I don't meet your required levels of sunshine pumping
Of your 28 posts I am having trouble finding a single pro Iowa post, some posters are critical of one sport/program/coach but at least are positive about the others....you are constantly negative on every thread about every program.....so maybe I am just calling a duck a duck
 
Of your 28 posts I am having trouble finding a single pro Iowa post, some posters are critical of one sport/program/coach but at least are positive about the others....you are constantly negative on every thread about every program.....so maybe I am just calling a duck a duck
Find me a post where I'm anti-Iowa? That's right, there are none. I'm critical, but of course you know nothing about that. Everything is always perfect in your world.
 
I'm a troll because I'm not a sunshine pumper? Sorry that I don't meet your required levels of sunshine pumping
Am I wrong?!?!? Go a head, I just checked and there are a total of 0 posts that support Iowa......0 of 28! We are having blizzard today so I had the time. So why don't you go make a new profile so u can start all over. You did have time to bash Jok, devalue our D in football last year, guarantee no pass rush last year, say there was no chance we move one spot up from 5th to 4th in hoops next year......am I missing something?!?!? All this is by definition =troll
 
Am I wrong?!?!? Go a head, I just checked and there are a total of 0 posts that support Iowa......0 of 28! We are having blizzard today so I had the time. So why don't you go make a new profile so u can start all over. You did have time to bash Jok, devalue our D in football last year, guarantee no pass rush last year, say there was no chance we move one spot up from 5th to 4th in hoops next year......am I missing something?!?!? All this is by definition =troll
Lmao I said Jok has a reputation of being a bad trash talker, but yes that is bashing how good of a player Jok is. I HATE PETER JOK EVERYBODY!!!! I was critical of the D and the pass rush, pretty hard concept for you to grasp obviously. Both left something to be desired last year and if you believe otherwise, you're an idiot. You're just the type of guy who was happy with how the football and basketball seasons ended just because they exceeded preseason expectations lol
 
I'm a troll because I'm not a sunshine pumper? Sorry that I don't meet your required levels of sunshine pumping

You are a troll because you add no value to discussions. You can disagree but actually use logic and argue a point.
 
Lmao I said Jok has a reputation of being a bad trash talker, but yes that is bashing how good of a player Jok is. I HATE PETER JOK EVERYBODY!!!! I was critical of the D and the pass rush, pretty hard concept for you to grasp obviously. Both left something to be desired last year and if you believe otherwise, you're an idiot. You're just the type of guy who was happy with how the football and basketball seasons ended just because they exceeded preseason expectations lol
I'm not saying what you are saying is wrong or right, that's not the point. The point is you have yet to say anything positive about Iowa yet, but have certainly gone out of your way to be critical of both programs (hoops and fb) and u love to report anytime a recruit signs with another team.....I mean cmon in your now 30 posts not 1 could be pro Iowa? It's obvious your intentions
 
Find me a post where I'm anti-Iowa? That's right, there are none. I'm critical, but of course you know nothing about that. Everything is always perfect in your world.
Find me a post that you are pro Iowa???? That's right, there are none. some "fan" you are,troll
 
You are a troll because you add no value to discussions. You can disagree but actually use logic and argue a point.
I used a ton of logic in this thread, but feel free to think otherwise if it makes your point. I guess I'm the only troll who owns both basketball and football season tickets.
 
Find me a post that you are pro Iowa???? That's right, there are none. some "fan" you are,troll
I guess I should just stop going to games, obviously I'm not a fan by milehigh's standards so I shouldn't be a fan. Obviously there is only one type of fan and all other people are trolls
 
I guess I should just stop going to games, obviously I'm not a fan by milehigh's standards so I shouldn't be a fan. Obviously there is only one type of fan and all other people are trolls
I certainly would feel bad for those sitting next to if that were in fact true.....your missing the point and avoiding the question....can u find me 1 post in your now 33 total that is pro Iowa? If you have 1 thanks for the 3% positivity!
 
I certainly would feel bad for those sitting next to if that were in fact true.....your missing the point and avoiding the question....can u find me 1 post in your now 33 total that is pro Iowa? If you have 1 thanks for the 3% positivity!
You feel bad for the people sitting around me? What the hell? All of my posts are pro-Iowa, they're just putting things into a different perspective for some of the kool-aid drinkers, such as yourself, around here. It's better for you in the long run, there's much less disappointment.
 
You feel bad for the people sitting around me? What the hell? All of my posts are pro-Iowa, they're just putting things into a different perspective for some of the kool-aid drinkers, such as yourself, around here. It's better for you in the long run, there's much less disappointment.
So no you can't actually provide a positive post? Didn't think so, bc I looked at all of them.....as I said I am stuck inside due to a blizzard. I have actually not even made a prediction, I just simply called you out for being a condescending troll, I actually do not agree with OP that we will be better next year. I think we finish about the same next year. 5th-7th in big 10, go 1-1 in big ten and make it to round of 32. That doesn't mean the OP is wrong, or drinking Kool aid, bc as I said what he stated is not far fetched either
 
So no you can't actually provide a positive post? Didn't think so, bc I looked at all of them.....as I said I am stuck inside due to a blizzard. I have actually not even made a prediction, I just simply called you out for being a condescending troll, I actually do not agree with OP that we will be better next year. I think we finish about the same next year. 5th-7th in big 10, go 1-1 in big ten and make it to round of 32. That doesn't mean the OP is wrong, or drinking Kool aid, bc as I said what he stated is not far fetched either
Quit trolling. Only a troll would agree with a 'troll'
 
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