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In-N-Out Burger clashes with San Francisco over vaccine mandate: ‘We refuse to become the vaccination police’

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Popular California burger chain In-N-Out is refusing to comply with San Francisco’s mandate that restaurants check vaccine cards before allowing customers to dine indoors — a move that resulted in a temporary shutdown of the city’s only location.

“We refuse to become the vaccination police for any government,” Arnie Wensinger, the company’s chief legal and business officer, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post. “It is unreasonable, invasive, and unsafe to force our restaurant Associates to segregate Customers into those who may be served and those who may not, whether based on the documentation they carry, or any other reason.”
The clash comes as the country remains divided about pandemic policies, with vaccination mandates in the public and private sectors prompting unrest and firings. San Francisco, like New York City, requires customers to be vaccinated before they can dine inside, and restaurants are responsible for checking cards at the door.
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San Francisco health officials have had to remind employees at the In-N-Out location to check vaccine cards multiple times since late September, a San Francisco Department of Public Health spokesperson said in a statement to The Post.



Despite the warnings, employees did not comply, forcing the city’s Health Department to shut down the restaurant on Oct. 14 — the only time the agency has ordered a closure for a vaccine-card violation, the Health Department spokesperson wrote. The fast-food restaurant, located in San Francisco’s touristy Fisherman’s Wharf, has since reopened, though without the option of indoor dining, the Health Department said.
“Vaccines remain our best tool to fight this disease and come out of the pandemic,” the Health Department spokesperson wrote. “Vaccination is particularly important in a public indoor setting where groups of people are gathering and removing their masks, factors that make it easier for the virus to spread.”








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But Wensinger says San Francisco is overstepping. The burger chain, he said, believes in the “highest form of customer service,” and that means allowing customers to eat indoors regardless of their vaccination status.






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“We fiercely disagree with any government dictate that forces a private company to discriminate against customers who choose to patronize their business,” Wensinger said. “This is clear governmental overreach and is intrusive, improper and offensive.”
Resistance to vaccine mandates has played out in school districts, sports leagues, police departments, airlines and hospitals. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court declined to halt the enforcement of the vaccine mandate for Maine health-care workers after similarly declining such requests from Indiana University students and New York City educators.
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On Monday, Washington State University fired its football coach — the state’s highest-paid employee — after he refused to comply with the governor’s order that all state employees must be vaccinated.
In-N-Out has about 370 locations, all of them in states west of the Mississippi River. The burger chain’s following and mystique have generated 14-hour wait lines, as well as copycats in Australia and Washington.
In 2018, California Democrats briefly called for a boycott of the burger chain because the company donated $30,000 to the state’s Republican Party, although the move quickly fizzled.

 
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I agree with In And Out. I’m fine with the various mandates but don’t agree that it’s a burden on the business to enforce.

Having a 17 year old kid attempt to kick someone out is just asking for trouble. Let’s be real, if someone knows they should be vaxxed or wearing a mask, and they refuse to do so, yet still want service, they are likely looking for a confrontation. The high school kid flipping burgers isn’t trained or prepared for that.
 
I guess it’s not cool to have a sanctuary city inside a sanctuary city.

Popular California burger chain In-N-Out is refusing to comply with San Francisco’s mandate that restaurants check vaccine cards before allowing customers to dine indoors — a move that resulted in a temporary shutdown of the city’s only location.

“We refuse to become the vaccination police for any government,” Arnie Wensinger, the company’s chief legal and business officer, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post. “It is unreasonable, invasive, and unsafe to force our restaurant Associates to segregate Customers into those who may be served and those who may not, whether based on the documentation they carry, or any other reason.”

The clash comes as the country remains divided about pandemic policies, with vaccination mandates in the public and private sectors prompting unrest and firings. San Francisco, like New York City, requires customers to be vaccinated before they can dine inside, and restaurants are responsible for checking cards at the door.

San Francisco bars saw a ‘surge’ of breakthrough covid cases. Now they’re requiring vaccine cards to enter.
San Francisco health officials have had to remind employees at the In-N-Out location to check vaccine cards multiple times since late September, a San Francisco Department of Public Health spokesperson said in a statement to The Post.



Despite the warnings, employees did not comply, forcing the city’s Health Department to shut down the restaurant on Oct. 14 — the only time the agency has ordered a closure for a vaccine-card violation, the Health Department spokesperson wrote. The fast-food restaurant, located in San Francisco’s touristy Fisherman’s Wharf, has since reopened, though without the option of indoor dining, the Health Department said.
 
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Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.
 
Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.
Is that the same as asking them to show their papers? The left used to be against this kind of thing. Obama sued Arizona over it. Remember? Grandma could be standing in line for ice cream then be thrown in jail if she didn’t have her papers? Damn. We’ve come a long way.
 
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Does anybody want to tell me why vaccine mandates like this make sense? It's been proven and should be well known that antibody protection wanes after 6 months or so.

Which means people can contract and spread the virus again.

Is this the purpose of the policy? To stop the spread? Because it has a really limited window. That focus seems really short-sighted and or based on upon outdated information.

Or are they doing this because they believe it will force the public to protect themselves?
 
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Is that the same as asking them to show their papers? The left used to be against this kind of thing. Obama sued Arizona over it. Remember? Grandma could be standing in line for ice cream then be thrown in jail if she didn’t have her papers? Damn. We’ve come a long way.

It really, truly is not hard for me to carry my card with me. It is just like anything in my wallet....that goes everywhere with me anyways.

Geesh, comparing that to NAZI papers that were solely meant to kill jews, gypsies, etc.

Don't be obtuse, you are better than this.
 
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Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.
I’m going to go out a limb and guess it wouldn’t hurt them, since there’s only 1 location in the entire city
 
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I’m going to go out a limb and guess it wouldn’t hurt them, since there’s only 1 location in the entire city

Agreed. And I have been to that location. But...like I said...good luck getting permits to build more. I disagree with their stance on this issue out there. That being said, I'd love them to open a franchise in Iowa.
 
Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.
Defecating on the counters? Lmao! They do it everywhere else in that horrible city. Why not counters? May as well. It's just a $hity place.
 
Is that the same as asking them to show their papers? The left used to be against this kind of thing. Obama sued Arizona over it. Remember? Grandma could be standing in line for ice cream then be thrown in jail if she didn’t have her papers? Damn. We’ve come a long way.
The left was against it until they legalized marijuana
 
How is this any different than a bar or nightclub checking IDs at the door?
 
It really, truly is not hard for me to carry my card with me. It is just like anything in my wallet....that goes everywhere with me anyways.

Geesh, comparing that to NAZI papers that were solely meant to kill jews, gypsies, etc.

Don't be obtuse, you are better than this.
OK...and is it hard to carry a green card? That was the entire basis of the Obama lawsuit. That you couldn't ask someone for proof of citizenship. THAT is what was being compared to the Nazis. Obama and the Dems are the ones who phrased is "show me your papers law".
 
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Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps.


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Does anybody want to tell me why vaccine mandates like this make sense? It's been proven and should be well known that antibody protection wanes after 6 months or so.

Which means people can contract and spread the virus again.

Is this the purpose of the policy? To stop the spread? Because it has a really limited window. That focus seems really short-sighted and or based on upon outdated information.

Or are they doing this because they believe it will force the public to protect themselves?
You can get it and spread it anytime after being vaccinated.
 
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How is this any different than a bar or nightclub checking IDs at the door?
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I don't know, maybe because a bar has a larger profit margin than a fast food restaurant which allows them to have a bigger staff to police their customers. Also, we as a society have agreed that drinking should be reserved for those over 21 and we have centuries of data that helped us reach that conclusion. Lastly as far as the vaccine goes there is very little research on the long term effects of the vaccine which makes some nervous.

I am fully vaccinated and will get my booster as soon as possible but I also believe it is not the goverments job to tell us what has have to put in our bodies and the have no right to tell a private business what customers they can serve. Is SF going to pay for the additional staff needed to police this restaurants customers? Not.
 
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Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.

The guy has a point as far as being forced to turn people away at the door if they don’t have a vaccine card. Too many nuts out there, and it isn’t safe for their employees to be the ones policing that up.
 
I agree with In And Out. I’m fine with the various mandates but don’t agree that it’s a burden on the business to enforce.

Having a 17 year old kid attempt to kick someone out is just asking for trouble. Let’s be real, if someone knows they should be vaxxed or wearing a mask, and they refuse to do so, yet still want service, they are likely looking for a confrontation. The high school kid flipping burgers isn’t trained or prepared for that.
Good points!
 
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It really, truly is not hard for me to carry my card with me. It is just like anything in my wallet....that goes everywhere with me anyways.

Geesh, comparing that to NAZI papers that were solely meant to kill jews, gypsies, etc.

Don't be obtuse, you are better than this.

You didn’t address the squabble between the Obama administration and Arizona
 
How is this any different than a bar or nightclub checking IDs at the door?

Again, vaccinated people are still getting and spreading Covid. If SF doesn’t want unvaccinated people going into businesses within their city, hire security for every business on the city’s dime.

As I mentioned above, there are too many nuts out walking around this country, and to force employees making little money be the ones that have confront these nuts and tell them they can’t come in? Seems like a recipe for a not so good ending in some cases.
 
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Poor In-and-Out Burger....

Wimps. Good luck opening any new stores in S.F.....

I'm sure that they would tell the Board of Health that we are not going to enforce people to wear shirts and shoes; or defecating on the counter.
Imagine for a minute if the Trump administration were pushing these vaccine mandates/passports.
 
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Does anybody want to tell me why vaccine mandates like this make sense? It's been proven and should be well known that antibody protection wanes after 6 months or so.
Or

Antibody protection wanes, but not completely. Meanwhile, cellular immunity carries on - and that’s what prevents people from dying. Either way, a restaurant full of vaccinated people is far, far less likely to result in significant spread of the virus.
 
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