Indiana hires Dayton's Archie Miller.

[SirIllini]

1) That five schools in eight years gig as an assistant coach has me a bit baffled. Especially since the last place was working for his brother. What's the reason for moving around so much?

2) This reputation for defense? He had one year in six at Dayton that was really impressive. At least in comparison to McCaffery who I've seen it said a number of times he doesn't coach defense. Now this doesn't mean I'm slamming Miller, but the reach to proclaim his teams as top notch on defense? Look, Kenpom's ADE rating from year one to now for both McCaffery and Miller:

McCaffery, 58. 206, 25, 77, 33, 30, 124. Miller, 158, 145, 72, 31, 15, 41. Are we SURE we're not just seeing a result of personnel on a team?

3) Sorry, but he's 38 and has been a Head Coach at one school for six years. Indiana? They must have lost a lot of appeal.

My thoughts are Iowa probably dodged a bullet. When I said Indiana could do better than Alford I meant a lot of guys other than Archie Miller. I'm not saying he won't end up a good coach for them. I'm saying it took him less time to be hired as a Head Coach at Indiana than it takes some people to become Managers of a Walmart.

At best. Incomplete resume with some questions about getting along with superiors or being able to settle down in one spot. Not enough experience. A high ceiling, high risk, hire.

"At best an incomplete resume"....Hahaha

He's 38; has been a head coach for 6 years and is 140-63 with two A10 championships, 4 straight NCAA appearances including an Elite Eight ... at Dayton...

What is missing from that resume? He's scary qualified and could easily coach for another 25 years. Sans Donovan or Stevens (who were never going to IU) this is absolutely the best hire IU could have made. Slam dunk. They will be tough.

 

[DanL53]

"At best an incomplete resume"....Haha

He's 38; has been a head coach for 6 years and is 140-63 with two A10 championships, 4 straight NCAA appearances including an Elite Eight ... at Dayton...

What is missing from that resume? He's scary qualified and could easily coach for another 25 years. Sans Donovan or Stevens (who were never going to IU) this is absolutely the best hire IU could have made. Slam dunk. They will be tough.

Everything good he's done has been in the last four years. And you call that scary qualified?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

"At best an incomplete resume"....Hahaha

He's 38; has been a head coach for 6 years and is 140-63 with two A10 championships, 4 straight NCAA appearances including an Elite Eight ... at Dayton...

What is missing from that resume? He's scary qualified and could easily coach for another 25 years. Sans Donovan or Stevens (who were never going to IU) this is absolutely the best hire IU could have made. Slam dunk. They will be tough.

Disagree if you want to go by resume think Gregg Marshall would have been a better hire. Miller is a really good coach. But football like basketball 95% of time you read same thing how great of a hire and person will win etc. I mean we've read same thing about isu, Purdue and Illinois football coaches past 8-10 years same stuff. anymore I've become a skeptic on half the guys and have the I'll believe it when I see it mantra.

 

[LuteHawk]

Archie Miller's calling card is defense and that is what
wins championships. Indiana will continue to get good
athletes who want to play in their home state. Archie
will need to recruit the Chicago and St. Louis areas.
Look for Indiana to go back up the ladder of success
under his leadership..

 

[Myvue]

They fired a coach 1 year removed from winning a conference title. Doubt many were throwing themselves at the Indiana job

Coaching jobs can be very fragile situations regardless of how well their team plays. A few years back George Karl was the NBA coach of the year and a very few weeks if not days later he was fired. Probably because the team wanted to go in a different direction.

It was from Denver as I remembered and found in Wikipedia.

On June 6, 2013, Karl was fired by Denver, just 29 days after he was named Coach of the Year.

He left the Nuggets with a 423-257 record, just nine wins shy of Doug Moe's franchise–record 432 wins

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

IU's AD is pretty cocky; here's what he has to say:


"The more I learned about him, the more convinced I became that he is the coach we need to meet our high expectations for many years to come. Archie is a proven leader, proven winner, proven recruiter, and a proven player developer with a defense-first mentality that will help us win championships. Perhaps most importantly, he understands and embraces the special stature of Indiana University basketball and the critical relationship it must have with its former players, Indiana high school players and programs, and the entire State of Indiana."

You consider that being cocky?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Unfortunately, I think this is a very good hire for IU. The Miller bros know how to coach. Players will always be prepared to play, and will develop as they stay in the program. I am not sure that he will recruit better than Crean, but he will sure coach them up a lot better once they commit.

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

I heard he brought this guy on as his assistant coach...

 

[Fan In Black]

Miller's teams will defend. Always enjoyed watching his Dayton teams play.

Look at the Elite 8, South Carolina and Florida from SEC are there because they defend!

Xavier as well.... I love Fran and our style of play but watching the guards defend from those schools.... we've got to upgrade our backcourt defensively if we want to make deep tourney runs.

Amen.

 

[Fan In Black]

Death, taxes, and homerun hire proclamations every time a rival school gets a new coach.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Miller's teams will defend. Always enjoyed watching his Dayton teams play.

Look at the Elite 8, South Carolina and Florida from SEC are there because they defend!

Xavier as well.... I love Fran and our style of play but watching the guards defend from those schools.... we've got to upgrade our backcourt defensively if we want to make deep tourney runs.

Agree with 2432 about the Elite 8 comment. I love Fran too and posted this in another thread about needing to improve our defense. It's just getting an assortment/compilation of some D stops during a game. We can score points....we did this with a Senior and 4 freshman in the starting lineup but our attitude on the D end has got to change as we are seeing in this NCAA tourney like those teams above....

The good news is.....Fran is putting together a very big and talented roster. The 3 newbies coming in should help on the D end especially protecting the rim better.

As far as Archie is concerned and no fault of his but there is always great talent in that Dayton/Cincy area. I'll never forget playing that Cincy team in the 2005 NCAA Tournament as a #10 seed and we lost 76–64 to Cincinnati in the first round. This was an Alford team but damn were they athletic...geesh they could jump out of the gym.

Doesn't matter if it's Cincy, Xavier or Dayton but these teams in that area have access to the talent and I am like where do they find these guys?? A bunch of Ahmad Wagner types but a better BB player on the perimeter or inside....they are tough with an attitude.

And Fran did beat Archie in 2011/12 his first year at Dayton, Fran's second year at Iowa and I would say a much bigger hill Fran had to climb than Archie out of the Lick years in terms of talent.

 

[jace46555]

Agree with 2432 about the Elite 8 comment. I love Fran too and posted this in another thread about needing to improve our defense. It's just getting an assortment/compilation of some D stops during a game. We can score points....we did this with a Senior and 4 freshman in the starting lineup but our attitude on the D end has got to change as we are seeing in this NCAA tourney like those teams above....

The good news is.....Fran is putting together a very big and talented roster. The 3 newbies coming in should help on the D end especially protecting the rim better.

As far as Archie is concerned and no fault of his but there is always great talent in that Dayton/Cincy area. I'll never forget playing that Cincy team in the 2005 NCAA Tournament as a #10 seed and we lost 76–64 to Cincinnati in the first round. This was an Alford team but damn were they athletic...geesh they could jump out of the gym.

Doesn't matter if it's Cincy, Xavier or Dayton but these teams in that area have access to the talent and I am like where do they find these guys?? A bunch of Ahmad Wagner types but a better BB player on the perimeter or inside....they are tough with an attitude.

And Fran did beat Archie in 2011/12 his first year at Dayton, Fran's second year at Iowa and I would say a much bigger hill Fran had to climb than Archie out of the Lick years in terms of talent.

Looking from the outside, I really believe that you all have by far the most upside in the BIG. I really think that in 2 years you all will be in contention for the conference championship. And with how well your freshman played this year, it may actually be next year instead of 2 years.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Looking from the outside, I really believe that you all have by far the most upside in the BIG. I really think that in 2 years you all will be in contention for the conference championship. And with how well your freshman played this year, it may actually be next year instead of 2 years.

Jace.....the talent is there....it's big talent too which doesn't guarantee anything but in the game of BB, like I see in Gonzaga, it certainly helps lower the risk of losing games. You got to go out and execute night in and night out and in this conference....good luck. Just play better defense, a few more stops and if we can replace the 20 ppgs that Peter gave us which I know we can...the opportunity is there to be pretty darn good.

 

[RobSipe11]

I like Archie a lot. I think he is a good coach, who has had good, semi sustained success at a smaller school, with considerably less recruiting power than Indiana. I believe he will recruit a lot of the same areas that Bob Knight did.....Indiana, Ohio and Illinois. I think his top priority will be to keep Indiana kids home. If that happens, I think they will contend every year for a B1G title. I still believe Crean's refusal to recruit Indiana kids hard is what cost him his job, and feel Archie will turn that around. I also now believe that Romeo Langford could possibly stay in Indiana, whereas before Crean was let go, there was little chance. That is just my opinion, no inside information.

 

[GunnerHawk]

Archie Miller is a very good coach. Could have Indiana back at the top of the conference very soon

They won the BIG last year, are you forgetting. Injuries and poor team chemistry killed Crean this year. His antic and player issues off the court is what did him in.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

Disagree if you want to go by resume think Gregg Marshall would have been a better hire.

IMO you can't get away with some of Marshall's antics at the high major level. The guy treats people like crap and you just can't get away with that under a microscope like at IU.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

They won the BIG last year, are you forgetting. Injuries and poor team chemistry killed Crean this year. His antic and player issues off the court is what did him in.

Yea Gunner....I am kinda shocked some posters don't remember this and I think if Anouby stays healthy, Archie may still be in Dayton, OH or somewhere else than Bloomington.

And it's funny how I do remember in this BB board back around April of 2008 how many Hawk and other posters were saying the same glowing positive things about Crean as they are today now saying about Archie. It's funny how this works. IU fans were getting over the brief stay and hangover of Kelvin Sampson and the longer skid marks of the Mike Davis Hoosier era.....oh well.

 

[wawasee]

One of the reasons Crean was let go was recruiting Indy. Crean pissed the Indy area coaches off. The other thing that killed Crean was in game adjustments. I never saw a team so bad at inbounds plays.If Archie can recruit Indy he will win games. One of the top high school and AAU coaches was in the second row during his press conference. Indiana produces the 4th most NBA talent. I hope he gets it done.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

One of the reasons Crean was let go was recruiting Indy. Crean pissed the Indy area coaches off. The other thing that killed Crean was in game adjustments. I never saw a team so bad at inbounds plays.If Archie can recruit Indy he will win games. One of the top high school and AAU coaches was in the second row during his press conference. Indiana produces the 4th most NBA talent. I hope he gets it done.

Plus crean never got past the sweet 16. 3 times I believe he got them there. For a lot of programs Iowa being one of them no way you get fired for 3 sweet 16 in 9 years but Indiana fans want final 4s. Be interesting to see what happens in a few years if same happens to Alford cause ucla fan base wants the same and fired a coach who guided them to 3 final fours while there. Also make a good point about recruiting looking at mcdonalds all star game roster and top 15 guy from Indiana is going to ucla next year.