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Inside the extraordinary effort to save Trump from covid-19 His illness was more severe than the White House acknowledged at the time.

Based on the facts presented in the article, there was nothing there that would tell me oh shit we have to move him now and prepare for an immediate intubation and he is going to die in the next 24 hours, the articles definition of serious and “rapid downward spiral” is not real life compared to a hospital setting
So your assertion is that from thousands of miles away and nine months ago your medical diagnosis as a nurse is superior to that of the Dr that attended him then and there? That all you need to know to be able to reassure us is that the president was really OK (and whose illness had no national security repercussions) was contained in one newspaper article rather than the notes of the attending physician?

Or gaslighting?
 
So your assertion is that from thousands of miles away and nine months ago your medical diagnosis as a nurse is superior to that of the Dr that attended him then and there? That all you need to know to be able to reassure us is that the president was really OK (and whose illness had no national security repercussions) was contained in one newspaper article rather than the notes of the attending physician?

Or gaslighting?
Where does it say it was taken from the notes of the attending physician?
 
You mean since he got sick he should force everybody in the country to stop what they're doing and hunker down in their basements?
 
Based on the facts presented in the article, there was nothing there that would tell me oh shit we have to move him now and prepare for an immediate intubation and he is going to die in the next 24 hours, the articles definition of serious and “rapid downward spiral” is not real life compared to a hospital setting

Well, counterpoint is they don’t clear a wing of Walter Reed hospital and have the president spend a couple days there just as a precaution. I think it’s very obvious that he had a serious case of Covid. Whether that necessarily rises to ”life-threatening “ or not I cant say.
 
It is still fundamental, I read the article took, the MEDICAL FACTS that were presented in the article and gave my medical based opinion to HROT
I read the article for what it was. I didn't make suppositions about the severity of Trump's condition without any firsthand knowledge. That was you and only you. You were obviously looking for a way to discredit the article and you got called out. Now you're doubling down when you should just admit you misspoke.
 
Well, counterpoint is they don’t clear a wing of Walter Reed hospital and have the president spend a couple days there just as a precaution. I think it’s very obvious that he had a serious case of Covid. Whether that necessarily rises to ”life-threatening “ or not I cant say.
Sure they do, he is considered the most powerful man in the world, they are going to take more "precautions" than they would for any of us
 
I read the article for what it was. I didn't make suppositions about the severity of Trump's condition without any firsthand knowledge. That was you and only you. You were obviously looking for a way to discredit the article and you got called out. Now you're doubling down when you should just admit you misspoke.
OK then lets ask other medical professionals on here what they think based on his fever, oxygen saturations, and medications given. And you are making suppositions about the severity because you are disagreeing with me
 
"Trump was in the highest-risk category for severe disease from covid-19 — at 74, he rarely exercised and was considered medically obese. He was the type of patient with whom you would want to take every possible precaution."

"Trump’s medical advisers hoped his bout with the coronavirus, which was far more serious than acknowledged (Based on whose opinion?)at the time..."

"Trump became terribly ill (Again based on whose opinion?) Hours after his tweet announcing he and first lady Melania Trump had coronavirus infections, the president began a rapid spiral downward (Who said this?). His fever spiked, and his blood oxygen level fell below 94 percent, at one point dipping into the 80s. Sean Conley, the White House physician, attended the president at his bedside. Trump was given oxygen in an effort to stabilize him."

"Trump’s doctors threw everything they could at the virus all at once. His condition appeared to stabilize somewhat as the day wore on, but his doctors, still fearing he might need to go on a ventilator, (Which every medical professional thinks is a possibility for a covid 19 patient)decided to move him to the hospital. It was too risky at that point to stay at the White House.

So "based on the article" these are all mis-characterizations of how serious it was?
 
OK then lets ask other medical professionals on here what they think based on his fever, oxygen saturations, and medications given. And you are making suppositions about the severity because you are disagreeing with me
Right. His attending physician sought emergency approval to give an experimental medication that has to have individual FDA approval because his symptoms really weren't that bad. Is that what you want us to believe?
 
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Right. His attending physician sought emergency approval to give an experimental medication that has to have individual FDA approval because his symptoms really weren't that bad. Is that what you want us to believe?
Yea, if it was you or I and based on his symptoms (again based on the article) we wouldn't have gotten those medications. He is the President of the United States
 
Sure they do, he is considered the most powerful man in the world, they are going to take more "precautions" than they would for any of us
Considering how Trump hates anything that smacks of weakness, I doubt this narrative in his case. Everything we know about Trump tells us that there’s no way he goes there as a first, second or third choice.
Actually,.. yes, that's exactly what they do.
Really? If it’s a minor case, and considering all the medical staff and capabilities they have on hand at the WH; in addition to what I said before about what we know about Trump and his ego, that just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

if it was something minor enough that it could be treated at the WH I was just don’t see how Trump would allow himself to stay multiple days at the WH.

not to mention we still have no idea what prompted his unscheduled visit there in late 2019.
 
Considering how Trump hates anything that smacks of weakness, I doubt this narrative in his case. Everything we know about Trump tells us that there’s no way he goes there as a first, second or third choice.

Really? If it’s a minor case, and considering all the medical staff and capabilities they have on hand at the WH; in addition to what I said before about what we know about Trump and his ego, that just doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

if it was something minor enough that it could be treated at the WH I was just don’t see how Trump would allow himself to stay multiple days at the WH.

not to mention we still have no idea what prompted his unscheduled visit there in late 2019.
I again go back to the sensationalized article. Was his illness a concern, sure. Was it serious? In John Q. Public eyes it probably was especially when you use sensationalized words such as “rapid downward spiral”; that word is used in the medical world only when somebody is actively dying and you are about ready to call a Code Blue or the Rapida Response Team. So it all comes down to how things are interpreted. This journalist was clearly trying to sell more papers and get more clicks with the words used in this article. The rest of us who live and breathe the medical world we’re shrugging our shoulders.
 
I again go back to the sensationalized article. Was his illness a concern, sure. Was it serious? In John Q. Public eyes it probably was especially when you use sensationalized words such as “rapid downward spiral”; that word is used in the medical world only when somebody is actively dying and you are about ready to call a Code Blue or the Rapida Response Team. So it all comes down to how things are interpreted. This journalist was clearly trying to sell more papers and get more clicks with the words used in this article. The rest of us who live and breathe the medical world we’re shrugging our shoulders.
I dont disagree with you that the article is likely exaggerating (or at least his sources did) how serious it was. I just believe that it was still serious, especially compared to how Trump and the WH tried to sell it as not a big deal.

given that 1) it was barely more than a month out before the election (6 weeks?); 2) Trump’s known dislike of hospitals; 3) his almost pathological need to avoid anything he sees as weakness and 4) that they tried experimental treatments with him…I just don’t find it plausible that this wasn’t a fairly severe case of Covid for Trump.
 
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"Trump was in the highest-risk category for severe disease from covid-19 — at 74, he rarely exercised and was considered medically obese. He was the type of patient with whom you would want to take every possible precaution."

"Trump’s medical advisers hoped his bout with the coronavirus, which was far more serious than acknowledged at the time..."

"Trump became terribly ill. Hours after his tweet announcing he and first lady Melania Trump had coronavirus infections, the president began a rapid spiral downward. His fever spiked, and his blood oxygen level fell below 94 percent, at one point dipping into the 80s. Sean Conley, the White House physician, attended the president at his bedside. Trump was given oxygen in an effort to stabilize him."

"Trump’s doctors threw everything they could at the virus all at once. His condition appeared to stabilize somewhat as the day wore on, but his doctors, still fearing he might need to go on a ventilator, decided to move him to the hospital. It was too risky at that point to stay at the White House.

So "based on the article" these are all mis-characterizations of how serious it was?
Boom.
 
It is still fundamental, I read the article took, the MEDICAL FACTS that were presented in the article and gave my medical based opinion to HROT

When it comes to this virus you've proven that your medical opinion is worth as much as OiT's opinion. You chose to follow your political view over following your medical view, and you're still doing it. I don't know how you can even function as a nurse. I guess we should all be lucky you're not a Dr.
 
When it comes to this virus you've proven that your medical opinion is worth as much as OiT's opinion. You chose to follow your political view over following your medical view, and you're still doing it. I don't know how you can even function as a nurse. I guess we should all be lucky you're not a Dr.
When you lose you rely on personal attacks, that’s ok though, I expect it
 
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When you lose you rely on personal attacks, that’s ok though, I expect it
That’s funny you think it was a personal attack. What I posted was the truth about how you viewed the virus. If I was trying to do a personal attack, I would have posted something different. Honestly, don’t you feel stupid about what you’ve posted about the virus?
 
That’s funny you think it was a personal attack. What I posted was the truth about how you viewed the virus. If I was trying to do a personal attack, I would have posted something different. Honestly, don’t you feel stupid about what you’ve posted about the virus?
What specifically did I say
 
That’s funny you think it was a personal attack. What I posted was the truth about how you viewed the virus. If I was trying to do a personal attack, I would have posted something different. Honestly, don’t you feel stupid about what you’ve posted about the virus?
And you did personally attack me with the nurse bit
 
What specifically did I say

Please tell me you're not going to act like you took the virus serious in the beginning. You have been defending trump from the beginning even when your medical knowledge should have told you otherwise. You repeatedly took the position of your political party over the medical community. That's not just a problem, that's a flaw in your critical thinking when something is so serious such as this virus.
 
And you did personally attack me with the nurse bit

That's not a personal attack, that's a fact, people are lucky you're not a Dr if you're making medical decision based on what your political leaders say.
 
Please tell me you're not going to act like you took the virus serious in the beginning. You have been defending trump from the beginning even when your medical knowledge should have told you otherwise. You repeatedly took the position of your political party over the medical community. That's not just a problem, that's a flaw in your critical thinking when something is so serious such as this virus.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but my wife and I isolated, we have worn our masks, and we are both vaccinated, so defending Trump on some things does not equal not following medical advice
 
That's not a personal attack, that's a fact, people are lucky you're not a Dr if you're making medical decision based on what your political leaders say.
I wasn’t making medical decisions based on what Trump did
 
I wasn’t making medical decisions based on what Trump did
Dude, you defended Arizona all along, as they slow walked ‘Rona response. Look at Arizona deaths per million compared to other states. Poor outcome. Own it. To say that you and your wifey followed protocol, but all along downplayed these suggestions, is all you had to say. Own it.
 
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OK then lets ask other medical professionals on here what they think based on his fever, oxygen saturations, and medications given. And you are making suppositions about the severity because you are disagreeing with me

Considering published data in hospitalized patients with oxygen saturation <90% having relative risk of ~2-4 for mortality, I would say based on that variable alone he was in much worse shape than we were initially lead to believe.

Had his oxygen saturation remained in the mid-to-high 90s, he isn’t getting taken to the hospital or getting FDA compassionate use exemptions for experimental drugs regardless of his social or political standing.

Then consider his added risk due to age >60 and obesity in the setting of hypoxemia.
 
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