None of them finished at Iowa, but had good careers.
https://qctimes.com/sports/college/...cle_da77ae7d-ae03-5d0d-b21a-90d711818f1e.html
https://qctimes.com/sports/college/...cle_da77ae7d-ae03-5d0d-b21a-90d711818f1e.html
Interesting article on 2015 class
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Having an entire class, outside of Moss, be a bust is tough on a program like Iowa. We can't afford to have that happen very often (like no time)....I think CW was misplaced trying to play him at PG. He would have been a servicable wing forward as a sub who could come in and play good defense and occasionally get some points.
Hutton was billed as a lockdown defender at the least
Williams just wasn’t good enough for this level. I don’t really mind Fran taking a reach in spring every year or two.
On paper, the incoming class doesn't look as good as the bomb in 2015-except for Moss. I would be good to hit on more than one quality player, although Isaiah was not a "steal". He was a top 120 ESPN 4*.
In all fairness to Dale Jones, I think he would have been that top flight level of reserve had he not been so often and badly injured. He was like the Murray boys. Not so great as a 6'5" guard but much more impressive with the same skills and shot as a 6'8" forward.
In all fairness to Dale Jones, I think he would have been that top flight level of reserve had he not been so often and badly injured. He was like the Murray boys. Not so great as a 6'5" guard but much more impressive with the same skills and shot as a 6'8" forward.
Moss and Hutton were both higher ranked than Admiral on that Tennessee team that beat us last year. "On paper" ranked our class one year ago, not today.
I would rather he target a transfer in the spring than reaching on a HS kid.
Fran basically whiffed on 2 straight classes.
Dickerson
Uhl
Ellingson
Moss
Hutton
Fleming
Jones
Williams
Wagner
Dickerson
Uhl
Ellingson
Moss
Hutton
Fleming
Jones
Williams
Wagner
Since both Tony and Ahron have moved up the rankings in various services the grading process is more dynamic than you suggest my friend. Great to see the movement in Iowa's direction. Maybe a recognition that its not "just Iowa" when a kid signs anymore.
BTW, I've been looking at these numbers too long. Its Rivals that has moved Ahron into the top 150 and ESPN that has moved Tony's grade to 79, which could place him anywhere from 120ish to 220ish.
Like I said, great to see the movement in favor of Iowa's recruits
It seems that the transfer route has really opened up since we recruited Williams. I share your sentiment.
Not what I meant. It seems that there are a significantly greater number of transfers than November of 2014 when Williams signed.
I've not been a big fan of transfers. Don't want someone else's problem to become Iowa's problem but the world is changing. Rather target a couple key transfers than take a long reach for a HS player now.
I was going to post the same thing. Don't forget fact that the class before was a bust with Dickerson being a one and done, Ellingson never doing much before going to Drake and Uhl being the only one who stayed and was the 10th man by the time he was a senior. Best player of these 2 classes ended up being the walk on in Baer.
You can miss on one class but on back to back that's a killer for bball and Iowa suffered the consequences. Luckily Fran has done well with the classes since then. ISU is looking at the same situation right now. Do to transfers and 2 early entry to the pros their last 2 classes each have only 1 of 4 recruits left now going into next year.
Not to mention the class before Uhl/Dickerson/Ellingson was only one person who was Jok.
Thats 3 classes of only having 2 hits total in them. No wonder 2017-2018 turned out the way it did.
2013:
Jok
2014:
Dickerson
Uhl
Ellingson
2015:
Moss
Hutton
Fleming
Jones
Williams
Wagner
Are you saying that because Iowa had one scholarship that went to Jok, it was a bad class?
A little background
- Iowa had one open scholarship for that class.
- P Ingram decided to transfer in May 2013, long after the signing date.
Not much chance to get a transfer that late and Iowa already had 12 scholarship players anyway.
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I'm saying Fran signed 10 guys in 3 classes and got a home run, a stand up double and 8 K's.
The effect of that erratic recruiting is why the 3 consecutive NCAA quals were followed by the NIT and that followed by a terrible record before resurgence after a couple of really good recruiting classes.
Only a handful of programs can win with teams dominated by freshmen and sophomores. Iowa is not one of those programs. We cannot survive a two or three year streak of poor recruiting.
That would have been better as a football recruiting class.
Which is Jok? That's your 3rd class and he's NOT a "k". So you are full of it by trying to add in the 3rd class.
Jok is the home run, Moss is the double.
Why are you so worked up about this? It's widely accepted around here that the 2014 and 2015 classes were fails by Fran. Throw in a one person class in 2013 and he failed to sign a lot of B1G quality talent in those 3 classes.
He's rebounded nicely, no doubt.
Well said. Those two years were controversial at the time. What was the team record by the time those two seasons were supposed to be upperclassmen?
Iowa was starting a bunch of freshmen is what happened. Talented freshmen but still freshmen and a big two year regression followed.
and the class before that had a couple busts (Kyle Meyer & Patrick Ingram)
Luckily it had Gesell, Woody & Clemmons
