Intermat article - why we should be worried about wrestling in the Olympics

[pablow]

I could agree with your post if you substituted 'fan base' above with 'powers that be'. What you and I think doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the wrestling world. Where it matters is with the administration of the sport at the national and int'l levels, and that includes prominent coaches. For example, the NWCA fiddles away about trying to get a Dual Championship to line their own pockets while the sport as a whole burns. I can't imagine that they actually think the sport will be saved by having a Duals champion and that this is our most important issue. Just one of many examples of a self-serving, fractious leadership both here and abroad.

Yes - D1 wrestling is cursed with the NWCA and a surprisingly dense and stubborn rules committee. Instead of advancing the sport, it seems every year enormous amounts of energy are expended fighting off the NWCA's latest idiotic idea and trying - usually unsuccessfully - to convince the rules committee to make wrestling more fan friendly. What a nightmare.

 

[clw421]

I was very impressed by this article and the perspectives it provided that I hadn't considered. Kudos to the author.

 

[LutherAce]

Lol
Not oversized.

And with that I'm bowing out because I know that Caryn, as a champion of feminist issues, would not appreciate a thread about her article on wrestling devolving into weekend barstool talk about arses. I like and respect her too much for that.

Since there is another thread about the same article, can we go back to weekend barstool talk about butts?

 

[FrontHeadlock2]

I could agree with your post if you substituted 'fan base' above with 'powers that be'. What you and I think doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the wrestling world. Where it matters is with the administration of the sport at the national and int'l levels, and that includes prominent coaches. For example, the NWCA fiddles away about trying to get a Dual Championship to line their own pockets while the sport as a whole burns. I can't imagine that they actually think the sport will be saved by having a Duals champion and that this is our most important issue. Just one of many examples of a self-serving, fractious leadership both here and abroad.

What's even funnier about that, is that a dual championship is just about the worst way to determine a team champion.

Just LOL at the NWCA.

 

[86_90]

The people saying that an event like Grapple on the Gridiron is not sustainable on a yearly basis weren't fans in this forum (well, they were saying it, too, but who cares what we think?) it was Luke Eustice and Tom Brands and the people who, you know, actually did the massive amount of work that went into the planning and logistics of the event. So slide off your high horse and send an email to Tom telling him you think he's bad for the sport. I'm sure he'd be grateful to have you set him straight.

This and those like him are the reason the sport at the international level will continue to be dominated by the old Soviet bloc countries Iran and Turkey and a few other despotic locales, while struggling to remain more than an afterthought in the US.

No imagination, no pride, no hope. Take what they give you and carry on, right Brucefan?

 

[86_90]

Oh, to clarify, the old Soviet bloc ects are the only nation states that actually have any sort of vested state interest (see % of money spent) in the sport, so yeah they are the ones calling the shots. Imagine that.

 

[86_90]

The author had it right, Kyle Snyder should have had a bigger stage and it should have been noted on every wrestling forum, but it wasn't. Even the few die hard fans on this forum missed this historic accomplishment or failed to note it's significance with any conviction. It would be like someone winning the homerun crown in Major League Baseball during their first year in the League, and then no-one caring that he never played a single game on live TV and no/or few articles were written to question why they never showed the kid play.

But yeah the sport is indeed in fine hands.

 

[86_90]

The people saying that an event like Grapple on the Gridiron is not sustainable on a yearly basis weren't fans in this forum (well, they were saying it, too, but who cares what we think?) it was Luke Eustice and Tom Brands and the people who, you know, actually did the massive amount of work that went into the planning and logistics of the event. So slide off your high horse and send an email to Tom telling him you think he's bad for the sport. I'm sure he'd be grateful to have you set him straight.

Oh yeah, people like you brucefan:

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I think the notion of doing it once every 5 years or so makes a lot of sense. I'd also love to see this open the door to other "outside the box" ideas to promote the sport. OK, we've held a meet in the football stadium to great success. What's the next "so crazy it can't possibly work" idea?

44 brucefan, Nov 16, 2015

Hey at least you remembered what YOU were saying about The Gridiron.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I got a feeling that the pic might be too big for this platform.

36"24"36"

Only if she's 5'3"

My Anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hun

 

[brucefan]

Oh yeah, people like you brucefan:

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I think the notion of doing it once every 5 years or so makes a lot of sense. I'd also love to see this open the door to other "outside the box" ideas to promote the sport. OK, we've held a meet in the football stadium to great success. What's the next "so crazy it can't possibly work" idea?

44 brucefan, Nov 16, 2015

Hey at least you remembered what YOU were saying about The Gridiron.

I don't understand what point you think you are making. What part of "people on this site were saying it too but who cares" did you not understand? Are you disputing that people within the program felt the same way? Are you under the impression that people who post on this site, including me, are more important or more influential than the people actually running the program? Please enlighten me.

 

[jvclark]

I think she barely even has an ass and find it very unimpressive. Just my humble opinion

 

[86_90]

I don't understand what point you think you are making. What part of "people on this site were saying it too but who cares" did you not understand? Are you disputing that people within the program felt the same way? Are you under the impression that people who post on this site, including me, are more important or more influential than the people actually running the program? Please enlighten me.

I'm saying YOU and people in the program are wrong. This needs to be a yearly event. The bandwagon patrol heard a coach say, "I don't think we can do this every year" and immediately began to puppet that position and rationalize it as the correct choice."

In life and business you are moving ahead or you are falling behind. The Grapple at the Gridiron was a move forward, saying it can only be done once every 4 years is losing that momentum.

 

[Azchief32]

I'm saying YOU and people in the program are wrong. This needs to be a yearly event. The bandwagon patrol heard a coach say, "I don't think we can do this every year" and immediately began to puppet that position and rationalize it as the correct choice."

In life and business you are moving ahead or you are falling behind. The Grapple at the Gridiron was a move forward, saying it can only be done once every 4 years is losing that momentum.

I disagree. How many times are you going to get an Okie State like, non B1G opponent, to come in at the beginning of the season? It's not going to happen every year. Plus, it's a cool novelty, but a novelty just the same. We set the bar, let others follow and we'll set it again....do it too much and it becomes worn out to the peripheral fan who just wants to wake up late, grill, and have some drinks before the football game that evening. A lot had to line up...a home night game at the right time of year against a rival.

 

[86_90]

I disagree. How many times are you going to get an Okie State like, non B1G opponent, to come in at the beginning of the season? It's not going to happen every year. Plus, it's a cool novelty, but a novelty just the same. We set the bar, let others follow and we'll set it again....do it too much and it becomes worn out to the peripheral fan who just wants to wake up late, grill, and have some drinks before the football game that evening. A lot had to line up...a home night game at the right time of year against a rival.

True story. When you first started posting here I had a hard time figuring out if you were a Hawk fan or not. But I've mentioned this before. No offense bro.

 

[Azchief32]

True story. When you first started posting here I had a hard time figuring out if you were a Hawk fan or not. But I've mentioned this before. No offense bro.

None taken...bro.

 

[el dub]

True story. When you first started posting here I had a hard time figuring out if you were a Hawk fan or not. But I've mentioned this before. No offense bro.

Does that mean you conceed or are you just changing the subject due to lack of ammo needed to cover your butt from the sweeping generalizations made above?

 

[el dub]

Oops… never mind last post. I see "we've" kissed and made up already.

 

[Azchief32]

Oops… never mind last post. I see "we've" kissed and made up already.

Nope...It's just 86_90's annual jab at me for acknowledging there are other good wrestlers and teams out there. Had nothing to do with the subject, but it is what it is.

 

[86_90]

Nope...It's just 86_90's annual jab at me for acknowledging there are other good wrestlers and teams out there. Had nothing to do with the subject, but it is what it is.

I do like you Azchief and you are right about the annual jabs. At least you understand where they come from. Kudos to you, a smart man--most of the time. (short, crisp, salute)

As far as subject relevance, I look at the way things are in college wrestling I see a need for change. For Iowa, specifically related to how this could help recruiting, I see a need to accentuate the positives the program offers; this was the biggest positive for the program in the last 3 years--the Grapple on the Gridiron. It's certainly debatable, but in my less than humble opinion it's imperative that Iowa builds on this success. Those who continue to find excuses not to do so, including coaches, administrators and fellow fans on this site don't really understand what this event could mean to college wrestling and the Iowa program specifically. Hint: It's entertaining! Hint: It's exciting!

Then again, a hog being led to slaughter is oblivious to his own demise. I hear the same tired excuses from the same people on this site. No need to change anything. Embracing the status quo is why pen state is kicking our butts in recruiting. And sadly, we are stuck with the same tired excuses, routines and results.

 

[86_90]

The people saying that an event like Grapple on the Gridiron is not sustainable on a yearly basis weren't fans in this forum (well, they were saying it, too, but who cares what we think?) it was Luke Eustice and Tom Brands and the people who, you know, actually did the massive amount of work that went into the planning and logistics of the event. So slide off your high horse and send an email to Tom telling him you think he's bad for the sport. I'm sure he'd be grateful to have you set him straight.

I never said they were "bad for sport.." but it's not like facts are a requisite for commenting here. My point is this is a lost opportunity. I also said there are and were a lot of excuses being used by coaches and fans as to why this can't be a regular event. And yes you are at the top of that list. If it boils down to a few guys not wanting to do this because it's too much work for too few people, then maybe it may require learning how to delegate some responsibilities. "Wait, that's too hard, it won't work, it takes too much time....." does that about cover it brucefan??

 

[AFHawk86]

Gotta say I agree with 86 on this. A big event like last year's Grapple should be a regular staple of college wrestling. The hype of that event was much bigger than the annual "All Star" event. I've been pleased to see other schools publicizing unique wrestling events, but it takes a school like Iowa to make it big enough to make ESPN's highlight reel.