Iowa City prostitution sting catches 12
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How the hell is this a "labor-intensive investigation"?
1. Post an ad on Backpage.
2. Rent a room at the Days Inn.
3. Start booking appointments.
4. Arrest whoever shows up.
That's about as easy as it gets.
Which is a perfect illustration of why prostitution should be illegal: The coercive property of money. It preys on the financially vulnerable, and turns them (almost entirely women) into Kleenexes. It de-humanizes.
Victimless crime, my ass.
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What about the ladies who make thousands a night in Reno where it's legal?
Are they the victim?
How is someone a victim in a voluntary transaction?
If they feel it's not worthwhile, they don't have to get buttrammed.
That's an amazing interpretation of something I didn't say. I posted a joke from a comedian. Internetisseriousbusiness.jpg
The ultra-vulnerable have few options. Technically, you are correct that it is "voluntary", but it's "volunteers" are largely those that are desperate. Yes, there are exceptions, but few statistically.
I wasn't saying that you supported the comedian's statement. I was commenting on the comedian's statement.
The comedian may not know it, but he perfectly captured the problem.
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Is it dehumanizing because you don't agree with it?
These women that prostitute where it's legal are not doing it as a last ditch option. They are doing it because they make thousands of dollars a night.
Now, the women that do it where it is illegal, are not doing things the right way, and are often made victims.
No. It is dehumanizing because it is my opinion it is dehumanizing. You are welcome to yours.
As for those doing it legally: It can be both "a last ditch effort" while still "making thousands of dollars a night".
Do you or anyone really believe many (sure there are a few) women prostitutes like the work? Want to be doing that work? Is that line of work well-respected? Safe? Rewarding other than financially? Fulfilling (yeah, yeah)? Something they are proud of?
As far as fun is concerned, I'd guess my friends are not all that different than most people's friends. We're all pretty busy with family, careers, and our various hobbies, but occasionally we let loose and have good times... Then again, I'm not sure I feel any need to defend my friends (and even acquaintances) from being the type to pay money to sleep with Amanda. If that's your definition of "fun people", more power to you.
Using the standards you posit with your questions, what percentage of jobs do you consider dehumanizing?
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I would argue that in legal brothels it's VERY safe.
I guess I would have to ask them next time your questions.
Some friends and I went bar-hopping in DSM one night several years ago, and two of the guys in the group were single and two of us were married. So, we were on a mission to get the two single guys some tail. We ended up talking with a few ladies who were very attractive and nice, but after a while they told us they were traveling escorts, and were going to be in DSM for a few days. We didn't believe them at first, but then they showed us their website on their smartphone. These gals were truly professionals. They traveled all over the country, had a screening process for all their potential clients which included requiring references from other "providers", as thorough a background check as a civilian can do, and since they were high-price/low volume, they could be as selective as they wanted with who they see. That selectivity made it so they pretty much always had clients they enjoyed. They said they avoid legal issues by selling their time only, and they never, EVER talk about any kind of sexual act, and nothing of the sort was on their sites.
The whole conversation was pretty eye-opening. Needless to say, there was no nookie for the single guys from them.
Edit to add: I'm sure these two were the exception and not the norm in the world of hookerdom.
I am having a hard time thinking of any other job I would consider dehumanizing. Certainly, there are awful jobs, but jobs that need to be done. If you can think of some candidate jobs, I will certainly opine on them.
So these vulnerable women should just starve in the streets instead?
If they are in such dire circumstances that they feel the need to prostitute themselves just to survive, exactly what other options do you think are available to them?
Yes, the safety aspect would be present in a brothel to some much higher degree than on the streets. I agree.
No, nor should nor do the numerous other folks (men and women) that are penniless. They do not all turn to prostitution.
Looks should not matter. Bernie will be sure the ugly girls get paid the same rate is pretty girls.
They called themselves "escorts" or "providers", so I don't know if that's a roundabout way of saying prostitute or not. I pretty much let everyone else do the talking.
I appreciate your stance. You have added another perspective to the discussion. It sounds like you may have some knowledge of the damage caused to people you know.
You are completely contradicting yourself.
On one hand, you claim that women with no other options turn to prostitution, but then claim that no one is ever realistically that desperate.
Which is it?
Also, while we're on the subject of vulnerable females, why do people like you and law enforcement feel that arresting them and giving them criminal records is a reasonable thing to do, and how does that help them to re-integrate into mainstream society?
I will bite. Can you, give us all the details you can. Without exposing him of course. I am always curious what happens to these poor bastards when they get home. Our very own HROT to catch a predator
Thankfully, no. But I try to think things through. (The funny thing is, my stance could lead one to believe I was deeply religious, when in fact, just the opposite.)
What I posted was, "No, nor should nor do the numerous other folks (men and women) that are penniless. They do not all turn to prostitution."
I never said that no one becomes a prostitute. Where did you get that?
I'm not religious either. To me it basically boils down to the individual. Both provider and client for that matter. No doubt most women are damaged. I believe that. But for sure others are not and benefit from it. And I'm sure some Johns are damaged as well.
It's a complex matter to me. And it's more than just personal choice. I'd be interested to read evaluations of older women who spent time in the legal brothels of Nevada.
She looks just like my wife's neice. For real. Could have been a sledgehammer. But most likely her father spent a lot of time sitting on her face. I'm just sure her dad is fat.
I think that it's an option taken by some. Just as theft, selling drugs, or panhandling would be options. Seems valid to me.
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