Iowa Defense against MSU

[MIHawk64]

I would have to go back and look at the game again, but I believe Iowa played man defense for most of the game.
Was glad to see that. I have had a problem with playing zone, especially in the second half for most games.
I think that was also a contributor to the game playing out.

 

[Hendy hawk]

Fran mentioned in his press conference that maybe they stayed in zone to much and challenged the team to play better man defense

 

[joelbc1]

Iowa’s defense was good but Sparty’s offense was worse. The defensive effort was very solid Saturday, but I live close enough to the Mizzery border so “Show Me!” again...Wisky will be a very stern test.

 

[Buffalo43]

They secured the defensive rebound

Difference in the game

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Huge difference when Bohannon is more athletic than the man he's defending.

 

[joelbc1]

Huge difference when Bohannon is more athletic than the man he's defending.

Think that guard in Champaign understands this?

 

[HawkLogic]

Huge difference when Bohannon is more athletic than the man he's defending.

Foster Loyer....shocked to see him get PT as MSU starting PG. It might be only game of season when JBO has an athletic peer.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Foster Loyer....shocked to see him get PT as MSU starting PG. It might be only game of season when JBO has an athletic peer.

Talk about a recruiting miss for Izzo, how do they not have a better point when they have a choice of 4 and 5 stars?

 

[kceasthawk]

Foster Loyer....shocked to see him get PT as MSU starting PG. It might be only game of season when JBO has an athletic peer.

And yet he has been their most consistent player at the point evidently. Main reason they've fallen so far from last year when they had Winston.....

 

[BBHawk]

Talk about a recruiting miss for Izzo, how do they not have a better point when they have a choice of 4 and 5 stars?

They have Rocket Watts. Just in a funk overall. And they don't have the experienced big men that they normally have.

 

[KcTo]

Iowa’s defense was good but Sparty’s offense was worse. The defensive effort was very solid Saturday, but I live close enough to the Mizzery border so “Show Me!” again...Wisky will be a very stern test.

tMSU scored 78 vs Iowa last week, leading 26-15, just 7 minutes into the game, all versus the Iowa zone with CJF starting.

this wk, Iowa goes man to man, holds the same home-standing team, to 58 points.

what changed?

the defense schema and more minutes given to the best defenders/reminders on the team , Murray and Nunge.

this should be the obvious cause and effect...

my hat is off to Fran for making an adjustment

 

[SSG T]

Talk about a recruiting miss for Izzo, how do they not have a better point when they have a choice of 4 and 5 stars?

He was a 4star, #65 recruit when coming out of HS and had offers from numerous B1G teams.

 

[joelbc1]

tMSU scored 78 vs Iowa last week, leading 26-15, just 7 minutes into the game, all versus the Iowa zone with CJF starting.

this wk, Iowa goes man to man, holds the same home-standing team, to 58 points.

what changed?

the defense schema and more minutes given to the best defenders/reminders on the team , Murray and Nunge.

this should be the obvious cause and effect...

my hat is off to Fran for making an adjustment

MSU couldnt hit shit from the field this week....that was the difference. Iowa caught Sparty on a bad night for Sparty...and that doesnt happen often! You take it and move on....But as well as Iowa played, Sparty played badly.

 

[KcTo]

MSU couldnt hit shit from the field this week....that was the difference. Iowa caught Sparty on a bad night for Sparty...and that doesnt happen often! You take it and move on....But as well as Iowa played, Sparty played badly.

If they couldn’t shoot, there Should have been more Offensive rebound opportunitie...

why was that number only 11, half of the 1st games 20?

 

[joelbc1]

If they couldn’t shoot, there Should have been more Offensive rebound opportunitie...

why was that number only 11, half of the 1st games 20?

Sparty played a terrible game...everywhere! It happens. They barely score 35 vs. Rutgers a couple of weeks ago. Offensively, Sparty is not very good this year. They dont have the shooters or the jumpers they usually have. Tom is tired, too.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Talk about a recruiting miss for Izzo, how do they not have a better point when they have a choice of 4 and 5 stars?

Fred's son?

 

[the24fan]

Foster Loyer....shocked to see him get PT as MSU starting PG. It might be only game of season when JBO has an athletic peer.

Hell I’d go so far as to say JBO looked like Ricky Henderson compared to FL!🤣

 

[KcTo]

KcTo said:
If they couldn’t shoot, there Should have been more Offensive rebound opportunitie...

why was that number only 11, half of the 1st games 20?

Sparty played a terrible game...everywhere! It happens. They barely score 35 vs. Rutgers a couple of weeks ago. Offensively, Sparty is not very good this year. They dont have the shooters or the jumpers they usually have. Tom is tired, too.

I think you may be wrong on this...

#1 MSU is 4th in the league in OFF Rebounds a game...so, they rebound in the top tiers of the league, they can rebound
#2 Rutgers is #13 or so in country in defense, they hold teams to low scoring, low possession games.
#3 if MSU is so bad, how did they score 78 points at IOWA.

We all,saw what changed in the 2 games; the starting lineup and the defense schema

 

[joelbc1]

KcTo said:
If they couldn’t shoot, there Should have been more Offensive rebound opportunitie...

why was that number only 11, half of the 1st games 20?


I think you may be wrong on this...

#1 MSU is 4th in the league in OFF Rebounds a game...so, they rebound in the top tiers of the league, they can rebound
#2 Rutgers is #13 or so in country in defense, they hold teams to low scoring, low possession games.
#3 if MSU is so bad, how did they score 78 points at IOWA.

We all,saw what changed in the 2 games; the starting lineup and the defense schema

Did you see what they shot vs. Iowa...and did you see Iowa's pathetic effort on the boards in IC? Give a team 2-3 shots at a time, they will beat ya more oft than not....Iowa boarded much better in East Lansing and Sparty shot it horribly....That was probably the best Iowa effort of the season at MSU the other night.

 

[FranklinHawk]

MSU couldnt hit shit from the field this week....that was the difference. Iowa caught Sparty on a bad night for Sparty...and that doesnt happen often! You take it and move on....But as well as Iowa played, Sparty played badly.

Actually I think the poor shooting in this game was more indicative of MSU this year than the game in IC where they shot over their season average (particularly from 3). As someone else said, they just are not very good offensively this year.

 

[KcTo]

Actually I think the poor shooting in this game was more indicative of MSU this year than the game in IC where they shot over their season average (particularly from 3). As someone else said, they just are not very good offensively this year.

tMSU scored at 1.20 PPP in the 1st meeting, if they are so terrible, how do we explain this?

 

[joelbc1]

tMSU scored at 1.20 PPP in the 1st meeting, if they are so terrible, how do we explain this?

Blind pigs find acorns, occasionally?

 

[FranklinHawk]

tMSU scored at 1.20 PPP in the 1st meeting, if they are so terrible, how do we explain this?

I'd probably start with giving them 20 offensive rebounds in the first game vs. 11 on Saturday. PPP tends to go up when you give the other team multiple shots per possession.

 

[KcTo]

KcTo said:
tMSU scored at 1.20 PPP in the 1st meeting, if they are so terrible, how do we explain this?

Blind pigs find acorns, occasionally?

Then Iowa plays mostly blind pigs finding lotsa acorns as IOWA is 14th in 3Pt FG allowed, has given up 19 more 3pt FG made, than the next closest, and is also tied for 13th in 3Pt FG % allowed.

so they are not only bad at 3Pt FG defense, they play defensive schemes that allow their opponents to maximize their opportunities to do so...

playing M2M and big guys to limit offensive rebounding second chance will be the key to defensive success and a run to a top 1-2 seed in NCAA

 

[Ronman]

tMSU scored at 1.20 PPP in the 1st meeting, if they are so terrible, how do we explain this?

Simple. We ambushed them!

 

[HawkRugged17]

Simple. We ambushed them!

 

[Cresthawk]

...
I think you may be wrong on this...

#3 if MSU is so bad, how did they score 78 points at IOWA.

We all,saw what changed in the 2 games; the starting lineup and the defense schema

Really? ... game 1 was Iowa being the usual Iowa; game 2, MSU couldn't throw it in the Ocean and the Hawks played their best M2M D of the year. Good effort, good coaching , good execution but this was an outlier for the season so far.

 

[Rifler]

This MSU game was a perfect tuneup for Thursday, where we'll need to bring the same kind of defensive intensity against the Badgers...

 

[KcTo]

KcTo said:
...
I think you may be wrong on this...

#3 if MSU is so bad, how did they score 78 points at IOWA.

We all,saw what changed in the 2 games; the starting lineup and the defense schema

Really? ... game 1 was Iowa being the usual Iowa; game 2, MSU couldn't throw it in the Ocean and the Hawks played their best M2M D of the year. Good effort, good coaching , good execution but this was an outlier for the season so far.

Ask yourself ’why’ this was an outlier?
Was it just random that a poor offensive team rolled up 1.20 PPP in 1st game, and only .85 PPP the 2nd game?
or was it that Iowa changed defense AND added minutes for their best rebounders?
I don’t believe when you add minutes for rebounders and defenders and change the defense (to reduce open 3Pt FGA) and you get exactly improvements in all 3 areas it is random. True, it may be an n of 1, but that doesn’t mean the cause and effect are not connected

 

[Cresthawk]

KcTo said:
...
I think you may be wrong on this...

#3 if MSU is so bad, how did they score 78 points at IOWA.

We all,saw what changed in the 2 games; the starting lineup and the defense schema

Ask yourself ’why’ this was an outlier?
Was it just random that a poor offensive team rolled up 1.20 PPP in 1st game, and only .85 PPP the 2nd game?
or was it that Iowa changed defense AND added minutes for their best rebounders?
I don’t believe when you add minutes for rebounders and defenders and change the defense (to reduce open 3Pt FGA) and you get exactly improvements in all 3 areas it is random. True, it may be an n of 1, but that doesn’t mean the cause and effect are not connected

Hope you are on to something and we see that kind of defensive impact and rebounding for the balance of the season...if we do., OH BOYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jan Itor]

I would have to go back and look at the game again, but I believe Iowa played man defense for most of the game.
Was glad to see that. I have had a problem with playing zone, especially in the second half for most games.
I think that was also a contributor to the game playing out.

MSU had a lot of wide open shots they just didn’t hit. Had they, you would have seen more zone

 

[HawkLogic]

I'd probably start with giving them 20 offensive rebounds in the first game vs. 11 on Saturday. PPP tends to go up when you give the other team multiple shots per possession.

It is harder to get defensive rebounds out of zone because you don't have an assigned man to block out. It is also harder to stop a hot hand---you can't put your best defender on the opponents best offensive player. You give up the 3pt shot more readily with zone, unless you extend it, and then it is easy to pass into the middle and create havoc.

If you have really long defenders and a shot blocker, the zone can be effective....but relying it for 90% of your defensive sets doesn't work in Today's game with the 3ball shot so effectively. I think as this B1G season has unfolded, we've lost several games because we got lit up from 3pt line by opponent.

I don't know if Iowa has turned the corner, but we have played more man recently and we've held Indiana and MSU to much lower shooting percentages at their places than we did at Carver with zone.