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Iowa High School State Championships

Now in 1A here, Alburnett is gonna need to win all the time and hope Don Bosco loses some. At 113 they wrestle head to head but hendrix schwab majored Dewitt at state duals. If Don Bosco comes through with a lot of points at 190 and 215 they will win the team title, though at those two weights its maybe not a for sure thing to place on the top 3.
 
Thoughts on the call in question here?
Any time you lift a guy, are responsible for his safe return. Nowadays, with guys going directly into granbys or dive thrus, etc, on returns you could say maybe the kid put himself in that position. But technically, its not supposed to matter, its still on the offensive wrestler. I would say it was unfortunate, but it was the correct call. Of course slams on the collegiate level are much different and much more is allowed,.but on the hs and down levels, you got to call those things. also, i know when i officiate anytime a kid lifts his opponent and i am "easy, easy" making sure the kid is aware of the situation.

I know both kids involved in the match. Both are good wrestlers and good kids. Sucks all around.
 
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We agree on this Mitch. There are kids in this tournament w/ 15-22 records - and worse. 3A sends 3 per district and 1A and 2A send 2. You get a weak district in 3A there may be two kids in a weight class w/ losing records that get in.
Just your typical money grab by/with IHSAA and Dez Monez Chamber of Commerce.
Get those 3 day hotel bookings, etc.
 
Any time you lift a guy, are responsible for his safe return. Nowadays, with guys going directly into granbys or dive thrus, etc, on returns you could say maybe the kid put himself in that position. But technically, its not supposed to matter, its still on the offensive wrestler. I would say it was unfortunate, but it was the correct call. Of course slams on the collegiate level are much different and much more is allowed,.but on the hs and down levels, you got to call those things. also, i know when i officiate anytime a kid lifts his opponent and i am "easy, easy" making sure the kid is aware of the situation.

I know both kids involved in the match. Both are good wrestlers and good kids. Sucks all around.
First off - I hope the kids OK. I would guess this is a slam by the letter of the law....I agree with the responsibility of a safe return. I will say I don't think I've seen a slam called where the guy only had control of the leg. Usually you are picking up more of the body. I'm not saying it was the Prairie kids fault, but it was his decision to be up that high with a leg laced instead of balancing on that leg, and I'm not sure why he didn't have hands to land on the mat. Again, certainly not blaming the kid, but it seems unique all around. With control of just the leg, I don't consider it a blatant slam. In fact, there are probably limited other options that what he did.

Here is a question for the refs in the group. When I wrestled in high school, if I was riding a guy with a leg in, and he stood up and put me balancing on one leg with the other in, the ref would usually stop it for potentially dangerous. Is this a case where it could have been called PD when the Prairie kid decided to elevate himself up so high. Not the same, but somewhat similar.....
 
Can someone fill me in on Algona? A coworker said they won the 2a team duals. I look at they are 13th right now. They not performing well?
 
First off - I hope the kids OK. I would guess this is a slam by the letter of the law....I agree with the responsibility of a safe return. I will say I don't think I've seen a slam called where the guy only had control of the leg. Usually you are picking up more of the body. I'm not saying it was the Prairie kids fault, but it was his decision to be up that high with a leg laced instead of balancing on that leg, and I'm not sure why he didn't have hands to land on the mat. Again, certainly not blaming the kid, but it seems unique all around. With control of just the leg, I don't consider it a blatant slam. In fact, there are probably limited other options that what he did.

Here is a question for the refs in the group. When I wrestled in high school, if I was riding a guy with a leg in, and he stood up and put me balancing on one leg with the other in, the ref would usually stop it for potentially dangerous. Is this a case where it could have been called PD when the Prairie kid decided to elevate himself up so high. Not the same, but somewhat similar.....
I'm no referee, but as soon as Munson laced his leg in that position I would have blown the whistle and stepped in aggressively. No way that was going to end well for anyone. Maybe he was assuming potentially dangerous was imminent and that's why he wasn't bracing himself? Just a weird sequence.
 
Can someone fill me in on Algona? A coworker said they won the 2a team duals. I look at they are 13th right now. They not performing well?
You can search for Team Results on Track Wrestling. Here's a list of Algona's results: Results for Algona. Edit: looks like that link takes you to a page where you can search for any team. Just click the drop down box and choose Algona.
 
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I think they should be calling slams more frequently than they do. Watched the Bo Basset dual finals on flo. Terrible slam IMO on one of the first matches that wasn't called. Thankfully the kid was able to continue. See it happen a lot in high school and rarely called. There's no excuse for it at that age. We had a kid taken off on a stretcher at team duals with an illegal slam. Nothing called. I bet if they called it better during the season Porter would've been more cautious. I would like to see the video in question. My comment is more general in nature rather than this specific match.
It is a very difficult gray area, even though the criteria is pretty black and white. I see a lot that could be called, but aren't, and some that should be, but aren't, yet it seems like every year at State some highly ranked guy gets called and DQ'd, usually on a bad call.
We had a guy from Muscatine that lost a sure State title on a bogus slam call in the semis (back in the 90s if memory serves). I saw a kid at my Grandson's District two years ago that was 43-1 get called for a slam in the first round and I was watching the match when it happened and it was NOT a slam in any way but it was called, and the other kid's coach told him not to go, so the first kid was DQ'd. The other kid lost the next round, so the really good kid didn't get to wrestle back, and saw his hopes for State thrown away on a horrible call. I could bring up examples of this at all levels. I don't see this ever getting called consistently, just like stalling.
I wouldn't want to have to make the call on that match. I would lean towards it being Munson's fault, but I hope he is alright.
 
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One match from Thursday morning that I have now watched online and had some thoughts on.

3A, 150 lbs, Quarterfinal. Mason Lucas of Carlisle beating Logan Trenary of SE Polk 15-8. Was surprised by that margin.
And SEP and Carlisles coaches started barking at each other. Lucas was staying out of arms reach. Gets a TD. Trenary goes in on a bad lunging shot, Lucas gets his 2nd TD, Trenary responds with a TD. 6-6 early in 2nd period. SEP coach whines and throws shade at Lucas and the Referee. But 2 more takedowns for Lucas in period 2. 12-7 in the 3rd, barking by both benches, 1 more Lucas takedown.

My thoughts watching was when you are a wrestler with the style and pace of Trenary, and the opponent doesn't bite and tie with you, have to adjust. But habits and style are hard to change this late on.
 
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One match from Thursday morning that I have now watched online and had some thoughts on.

3A, 150 lbs, Quarterfinal. Mason Lucas of Carlisle beating Logan Trenary of SE Polk 15-8. Was surprised by that margin.
And SEP and Carlisles coaches started barking at each other. Lucas was staying out of arms reach. Gets a TD. Trenary goes in on a bad lunging shot, Lucas gets his 2nd TD, Trenary responds with a TD. 6-6 early in 2nd period. SEP coach whines and throws shade at Lucas and the Referee. But 2 more takedowns for Lucas in period 2. 12-7 in the 3rd, barking by both benches, 1 more Lucas takedown.

My thoughts watching was when you are a wrestler with the style and pace of Trenary, and the opponent doesn't bite and tie with you, have to adjust. But habits and style are hard to change this late on.
Trenary seemed lost on what to do. Lucas did back up but was circling just not giving forward movement or tying up. Idk either kid but it seemed like a well thought out strategy by Lucas, assume they knew each other or wrestled in the past. Sep coaches were pissed the entire time, assuming they don’t lose much and didn’t like it
 
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  • Semifinal - Bas Diaz (Waverly-Shell Rock) 44-2 won by decision over Nolan Fellers (Bondurant-Farrar) 38-4 (Dec 4-1)
 
The ref should've realized the situation wasn't gonna end well and stopped that one. Almost looks like the kid thought about rolling and didn't get his head tucked in time
Saw something very similar back in my day in the bloodround of the qualifying tournament. Top man hit a very basic lift and return. Bottom man tried to hit an ugly standing granby and knocked himself out. Slam called, top man misses state because the ref had no idea what he was looking at.
 
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Trenary seemed lost on what to do. Lucas did back up but was circling just not giving forward movement or tying up. Idk either kid but it seemed like a well thought out strategy by Lucas, assume they knew each other or wrestled in the past. Sep coaches were pissed the entire time, assuming they don’t lose much and didn’t like it
Trenary got pinned in his next match in the consolations in 10 seconds too...???
 
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