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Iowa high school wrestling

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My two cents on high school wrestling

1. High school wrestling in Iowa is at an all time high. I bring this up because of the flo article a few months back that start every year questioning weather our state is still on top. Two things with the list. Flo post the list before they could add cash. Also shouldn't we get half a point for topher. He did wrestle two seasons in Iowa in high school. There are 5 factors that affect the state of Iowa not having more qualifiers for division 1 nationals. Dresser, population, economics, age, and state rules. Here my background on knowing what's going on in high school wrestling in Iowa. I just finished my 10 season as high school coach. I have coached at two different programs. I have been lucky to coach in the state finals 5 times. The first program I coached at was a wrestling community. We had multiple place winners every year. The second program that I'm apart of we would get kids to state but not place tell until this year.

Dresser will make Iowa state better. Which means more Iowa kids will qualify for D1. We can look at UNI as an example. UNI is not a power house yet but they do send a lot of Iowa guys to D1. I think UNI can develop into lower top ten program. With couple loaded classes UNI could push for trophy. Dresser will improve ISU witch means more Iowa kids qualifying for D1. With the improvement of UNI and hopefully the improvement of Iowa state not very kid in the state will want to grow up being a Hawkeye. There is a lot of talent that gets lost for whatever reason in Iowa room. We all know when all three programs are doing well it will only improve high school wrestling in the state.

Population is big factor when it comes to overall numbers of D1 qualifiers. The more kids out for wrestling the more freak athletes there are to pick form. Kids in Iowa are asked to play at least two sports or more depending on a school size. Kids that can focus year round on one sport gives them advantage early in there careers. If the flo article would have added cash form iowa would have been number 1 in D1 qualifiers per population.

Economics is a big factor in seeing more kids wrestling out of state in the offseason. The average household income where I live in Iowa is close to 50,000 a year. I know a young man that is wrestling at D1 college next year. His family told me they spent 7,000 last offseason for Disney duels, freestyle duals, Fargo, and other camps. Bigger cities usually means higher paying jobs and more business to get sponsorship to help programs out. We all know living in small towns businesses get hit up by different high school programs asking for money. The average wrestling family can't afford all the summer wrestling.

The average Age of wrestlers in some state is going up. Two state that come to mind are Ohio and Pennsylvania. Not surprising these are two of the hottest state producing D1 wrestlers. Yes this is happening a little in Iowa. Basically wrestlers are repeating 7 or 8 grade or call it taking red shirt year.

Last thing that hurts the state of Iowa is the rules imposed by the state. There are two rule that really hurt wrestling in the state. High school teams can only wrestle in border states not exceed I believe 275 miles form the state line. Not exactly sure on the miles 225 or 275 some where in there. The second rule you are not allowed to compete over winter break. This causes the state to miss out on couple good tournaments. Yes you can get wavers sign by the state but only so many get signed a year. The clash would be example of tournament sometime held over break.

Love the sport of wrestling and always want the sport growing. Don't really have favorite college team just want the rosters full of Iowa kids. Also a lot of good insight form some of you older guys on the board
 
It's definitely in the weakest era it's been in since I can remember. We definitely need to get a pipeline to California (hello Mark Perry), Florida (which is on the up and up), as well as a few other states with a lot of wrestlers.

You are spot on with the economics and in season travel ban though. It's absolutely ridiculous that teams can't travel the country if teams can afford it. Plain and simple. Wrestling is getting to be one of those sports where you have to have money to get out there and get known for the most part.
 
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Thank that incoming increase to accessibility to clubs and club participation imo.
 
Last thing that hurts the state of Iowa is the rules imposed by the state. There are two rule that really hurt wrestling in the state. High school teams can only wrestle in border states not exceed I believe 275 miles form the state line. Not exactly sure on the miles 225 or 275 some where in there. The second rule you are not allowed to compete over winter break. This causes the state to miss out on couple good tournaments. Yes you can get wavers sign by the state but only so many get signed a year. The clash would be example of tournament sometime held over break.
Can anyone on here provide the answer to my "why" questions for the bolded areas? What caused the state to impose such arbitrary rules, which make Iowa relatively noncompetitive with other states? This hurts scholarship opportunities for instate kids vis-a-vis those from other states because their wrestling resume lacks depth versus kids who go to say the Clash. If the school, parents, and wrestlers support traveling in-season and also competing during the break, and if it has no effect on education, what is the state's point in the matter? Seems arbitrary and Big Brother to me.
 
Here's my thoughts to why Iowa High School wrestling as a whole is behind atleast 5 or 6 states.
1. Kids not wanting to do freestyle/greco.
Now there are a few factors here. Small towns are at a major disadvantage. Its so hard to fill teams for all sports at a lot of schools so "specialization" is not really a option. Plus the interest in freestyle and espescially greco is really not there as a whole.
2. $$$$
As stated earlier this is a HUGE factor. My family is struggling with this right now. My son and daughter do every sport they possibly can. But my daughters passion is softball and she has been invited to 4 different camps all ready in Colorado, Tennessee, Missouri and Virgina. Each camp is 400.00 and 3 to 5 days long. You do the math its pretty pricy so we are having to choose the Colorado camp for best bang for your buck. Now my son is just getting to the age of wanting to do camps also. Add normal life living on 2 middle class incomes and we are limited with what we can do.
3. Travel restrictions by the state of Iowa
As stated earlier this is a HUGE disadvantage. What I would give to get to go to PA,OH and/NJ to compete 3 times a year.
 
Reddogg, I have a stepson about to go into his senior year. He is on a team in a small high school that has only existed for three years (charter type) here in South Carolina. Not a hotbed of hs wrestling, but the sport is growing. That said, his team has maybe 12 kids on it, and all but two or three get pinned mentality before they even show up. However, as soon as the folkstyle season ended in early March, they were in the room doing free and greco. Why? Because the coach insisted that offseason freestyle training would make the kids better next season at folkstyle. The parents bought into it and here we are wrestling freestyle in May. I guess the point I'm making is that the coach and parents need to be on the same page with going beyond the end of the folk season and getting their kids on board. As we all know, many kids try to find the easiest path in life, but if they are shown a different path, it may turn a lightbulb on.
 
2007-08 was the all time high in my opinion.
I think when jr nationals was the biggest and best tournament around and being held in Iowa City & UNI was when there was some of the best Iowa high school talent. This was also a time when Iowa & Iowa State were consistently the top college teams in the country.
 
Can anyone on here provide the answer to my "why" questions for the bolded areas? What caused the state to impose such arbitrary rules, which make Iowa relatively noncompetitive with other states? This hurts scholarship opportunities for instate kids vis-a-vis those from other states because their wrestling resume lacks depth versus kids who go to say the Clash. If the school, parents, and wrestlers support traveling in-season and also competing during the break, and if it has no effect on education, what is the state's point in the matter? Seems arbitrary and Big Brother to me.
I believe the winter break rule came in in the mid 70's. The energy crunch was in full swing. Long lines at the pump and states put energy restrictions where ever he could. I think Iowa limited travel during winter break to save energy. Most states lifted energy restrictions as time has passed.

I remember our school had to have the heat set at 50 degrees on weekends when students were not present. They would turn the heat up while we were at weigh ins. It takes a hell of a lot longer than an hour for a gym to warm up. The mat felt like stone. You would shiver during the match.
 
Marty Dickey isn't running a club anymore and if a young kid shows potential there is good chance they will just runoff to Don Bosco or Waverly.

I remember Dan, Matt and Jay Dickey. They were a little younger than me. I was closer in age with Andy Showalter, Dino DiGiacamo (sp?), from West and then Glenn Caldwell from East. Lots of tough kids back 80's and 90's. I can't speak for what Waterloo Wests future looks like but The Future Trojans (Waterloo East) have a lot of little kids that are doing quite well both state wide and nationally. I now Anthony Watson is doing a good job with those kids.
 
I've known Andy for 40 years, Matt is my age and Jay is my brother's age and lived at my house all summer growing up.

East is doing better and has two feeder clubs with the Future Trojans and the Evansdale wolves.

West is just bad, they were throwing around the idea of combining with Waterloo Columbus. Columbus is losing their top wrestlers to Bosco.

We need a central super club. We were driving
to Cedar Rapids for practice, it was just too much. We have a good club growing at UNI, we shall see. It would be nice if Marty would come back and get a super club started, he did start the first monster club ever and we have plenty of coaches.

Help us Dan Gable and Marty, you're our only hope. Repeat
 
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Waterloo High Schools used to produce, now rarely, what's up with that.

Clearly Waterloo West isn't what it was 30-50 years ago when Gable wrestled or when the Gibbons bothers were there, but does the school still have talent in district? Or is the remaining talent just transferring elsewhere? To another posters point, Cedar Falls was a bitch for a long time in the late 80's and 90's. Was some of their success leaving Waterloo for CF? What about Waverly Shellorock, D Bosco, Denver/Tripoli? Were all of their kids completely home grown? Now before someone from those communities jump on me, I am asking not stating?
 
Clearly Waterloo West isn't what it was 30-50 years ago when Gable wrestled or when the Gibbons bothers were there, but does the school still have talent in district? Or is the remaining talent just transferring elsewhere? To another posters point, Cedar Falls was a bitch for a long time in the late 80's and 90's. Was some of their success leaving Waterloo for CF? What about Waverly Shellorock, D Bosco, Denver/Tripoli? Were all of their kids completely home grown? Now before someone from those communities jump on me, I am asking not stating?

The numbers in Waterloo/CF are dismal. We, Cedar Valley Catholic Schools, lost three studs to Bosco, decimated our team. They got a good one from CF too. Nothing against Bosco, they just had the numbers and room competition.

Waverly is still good. We tried to get my boys open enrolled to Waverly and were called racist and part of the white flight problem by the Waterloo Schools and got a big no stamp. My kids have never even been in Waterloo's shithole of school system.

Denver is dropping down a division, Bosco will have serious competition now.
 
The numbers in Waterloo/CF are dismal. We, Cedar Valley Catholic Schools, lost three studs to Bosco, decimated our team. They got a good one from CF too. Nothing against Bosco, they just had the numbers and room competition.

Waverly is still good. We tried to get my boys open enrolled to Waverly and were called racist and part of the white flight problem by the Waterloo Schools and got a big no stamp. My kids have never even been in Waterloo's shithole of school system.

Denver is dropping down a division, Bosco will have serious competition now.


You should move out of that flood plain you live in and into a decent community.
 
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Clearly Waterloo West isn't what it was 30-50 years ago when Gable wrestled or when the Gibbons bothers were there, but does the school still have talent in district? Or is the remaining talent just transferring elsewhere? To another posters point, Cedar Falls was a bitch for a long time in the late 80's and 90's. Was some of their success leaving Waterloo for CF? What about Waverly Shellorock, D Bosco, Denver/Tripoli? Were all of their kids completely home grown? Now before someone from those communities jump on me, I am asking not stating?

Unless the Gibbons brothers you're talking about aren't the ones I'm thinking of, They were from Ames, not Waterloo, A\athough Waterloo produced lots of great talent in the '70s and '80s Don Bosco has been taking a lot of the area's talent since way back in my time (mid-'70s) but there used to be enough to go around back then.
 
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Unless the Gibbons brothers you're talking about aren't the ones I'm thinking of, They were from Ames, not Waterloo, A\athough Waterloo produced lots of great talent in the '70s and '80s Don Bosco has been taking a lot of the area's talent since way back in my time (mid-'70s) but there used to be enough to go around back then.

You must have missed Joe wrestling for Columbus
 
Original post said Gibbons bros...Only Joe wrestled at Colombus because Ames High was a Soph-Senior school at the time...they didn't let freshman wrestle IIRC.

He wrestled there as a soph, too. Won 2 state titles at each school.
 
I remember Dan, Matt and Jay Dickey. They were a little younger than me. I was closer in age with Andy Showalter, Dino DiGiacamo (sp?), from West and then Glenn Caldwell from East. Lots of tough kids back 80's and 90's. I can't speak for what Waterloo Wests future looks like but The Future Trojans (Waterloo East) have a lot of little kids that are doing quite well both state wide and nationally. I now Anthony Watson is doing a good job with those kids.
I wrestled Andy Showalter once in 8th grade. I got the first takedown but I think it just made him mad. It didnt go so well after that lol.o_O There were a lot of good kids back then in Waterloo/CF.
 
That doesn't quite seem to be the reason then.

Were the Gibbons' originally from Cresco?

Jim was at Ames for three years...there was a rumor of Joe going to a school near Ames like Nevada but their wrestling program was abysmal. But yea, they wanted Joe to wrestle his freshman year and he couldn't at Ames.
 
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