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Iowa played 8 bowl teams!

You know honestly I was really going to let this go ... but it kept popping in my mind and it is so indicative of the deep inability of people to look at things at face value and drawl real honest conclusions that I would be remiss if I didn't say it out loud.

Of course there are too many bowl teams, of course many, if not most are unworthy and of course it's not a direct correlation to yesteryear.

But it is a good comparison to your peers. Most teams, in fact very few teams, played eight teams that went to bowls, let alone eight teams with winning records, good records at that.

So although I believe several of you think you're really "onto" something the reality is very few teams played a schedule similar to Iowa and that is definitely something to be proud of.

All your Pooh – poohing is indicative of is, is poor analytical comparative skills or bitterness one of the other.
 
You know honestly I was really going to let this go ... but it kept popping in my mind and it is so indicative of the deep inability of people to look at things at face value and drawl real honest conclusions that I would be remiss if I didn't say it out loud.

Of course there are too many bowl teams, of course many, if not most are unworthy and of course it's not a direct correlation to yesteryear.

But it is a good comparison to your peers. Most teams, in fact very few teams, played eight teams that went to bowls, let alone eight teams with winning records, good records at that.

So although I believe several of you think you're really "onto" something the reality is very few teams played a schedule similar to Iowa and that is definitely something to be proud of.

All your Pooh – poohing is indicative of is, is poor analytical comparative skills or bitterness one of the other.


You win 6 games and go to a bowl game. Hell just within recent years some 5-7 teams got into bowl games. That's not bitterness, it's calling out participation awards.
 
You win 6 games and go to a bowl game. Hell just within recent years some 5-7 teams got into bowl games. That's not bitterness, it's calling out participation awards.

As Ive already said, you still missed it brother. As a comparison to yesteryear it's a poor metric but as a comparison to other teams "today" it's apropos!

For me, the most baffling thing about some of you guys isn't your negativity, it's that you don't know when to engage & when not to. Some positions you take just aren't winnable arguments. Strange...
 
You win 6 games and go to a bowl game. Hell just within recent years some 5-7 teams got into bowl games. That's not bitterness, it's calling out participation awards.

As Ive already said, you still missed it brother. As a comparison to yesteryear it's a poor metric but as a comparison to other teams "today" it's apropos!

For me, the most baffling thing about some of you guys isn't your negativity, it's that you don't know when to engage & when not to. Some positions you take just aren't winnable arguments. Strange...


I'm a brotha, not your brother just a brotha. I don't think I'm negative, I guess I've just never understood people who are practically giddy about a 7-5 football team. Especially when you play a number of cream puffs this year (honestly we got lucky ISU was descent this year).

I don't want to piss all over your parade. Just different strokes for different folks that's all.
 
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I'm a brotha, not your brother just a brotha. I don't think I'm negative, I guess I've just never understood people who are practically giddy about a 7-5 football team. Especially when you play a number of cream puffs this year (honestly we got lucky ISU was descent this year).

I don't want to piss all over your parade. Just different strokes for different folks that's all.

Yeah honestly I've never had that big a problem with you. Although yes I do think your negative to a degree you gave good wit and you typically say some funny things. Quite frankly I too can be negative about things in life, but I'm pretty reasonable and pragmatic and I guess that's why I take exception sometimes. But you're not my problem and I have a sneaking suspicion you're probably actually a pretty good dude Merry Christmas moving on...
 
I'm a brotha, not your brother just a brotha. I don't think I'm negative, I guess I've just never understood people who are practically giddy about a 7-5 football team. Especially when you play a number of cream puffs this year (honestly we got lucky ISU was descent this year).

I don't want to piss all over your parade. Just different strokes for different folks that's all.

Yeah honestly I've never had that big a problem with you. Although yes I do think your negative to a degree you gave good wit and you typically say some funny things. Quite frankly I too can be negative about things in life, but I'm pretty reasonable and pragmatic and I guess that's why I take exception sometimes. But you're not my problem and I have a sneaking suspicion you're probably actually a pretty good dude Merry Christmas moving on...


Merry Christmas!
 
A third of all FBS teams go to bowl games. The only thing "impressive" is that Iowa went 1-2 against New Year's Six teams (beat Ohio State, lost to Penn State and UW).
 
A third of all FBS teams go to bowl games. The only thing "impressive" is that Iowa went 1-2 against New Year's Six teams (beat Ohio State, lost to Penn State and UW).


Well let's try this..... Iowa played the sixth ranked schedule in the country and played verse eight bowl teams. Three of which won 9 games, three more who won 11+ and a seven and five Iowa State who beat to top five teams. Now if you can five find 10 other teams, who did anything similar to that then sure continue to disparage the schedule. But you can't.
 
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Regardless of the value of being a bowl team, Iowa played as many or more than everyone else in the country. That doesn't mean we're giddy about going 7-5. It does help explain it, though.
 
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Well let's try this..... Iowa played the sixth ranked schedule in the country and played verse eight bowl teams. Three of which won 9 games, three more who won 11+ and a seven and five Iowa State who beat to top five teams. Now if you can five find 10 other teams, who did anything similar to that then sure continue to disparage the schedule. But you can't.

It's not the schedule. It's the wins and losses in that schedule. The one undisputed impressive win was against Ohio State. No one can knock that win. But the other wins against bowl teams were against North Texas who is playing against Troy, Wyoming who is playing against Central Michigan, and Iowa State who Iowa generally beats most years any more. I'm not all that impressed. I was impressed by the game against Penn State even though they lost. Extremely unimpressed by losses to Northwestern and Michigan State. I nearly fell asleep in each of those games. And I was definitely unimpressed by Iowa getting destroyed by Wisconsin.

However, I will be impressed if Iowa can win its bowl game even if it is against a very mediocre opponent. I was glad the matchup was against Boston College. I got tired of watching Iowa losing to the B12, SEC, and PAC12 in bowl games the last seven years. Maybe the ACC will be the cure.
 
It's not the schedule. It's the wins and losses in that schedule. The one undisputed impressive win was against Ohio State. No one can knock that win. But the other wins against bowl teams were against North Texas who is playing against Troy, Wyoming who is playing against Central Michigan, and Iowa State who Iowa generally beats most years any more. I'm not all that impressed. I was impressed by the game against Penn State even though they lost. Extremely unimpressed by losses to Northwestern and Michigan State. I nearly fell asleep in each of those games. And I was definitely unimpressed by Iowa getting destroyed by Wisconsin.

However, I will be impressed if Iowa can win its bowl game even if it is against a very mediocre opponent. I was glad the matchup was against Boston College. I got tired of watching Iowa losing to the B12, SEC, and PAC12 in bowl games the last seven years. Maybe the ACC will be the cure.

Of COURSE your not impressed, why would you be. It appears to be your MO. But your not alone, so there is that. Lots of critics in the world!
 
It's not the schedule. It's the wins and losses in that schedule. The one undisputed impressive win was against Ohio State. No one can knock that win. But the other wins against bowl teams were against North Texas who is playing against Troy, Wyoming who is playing against Central Michigan, and Iowa State who Iowa generally beats most years any more. I'm not all that impressed. I was impressed by the game against Penn State even though they lost. Extremely unimpressed by losses to Northwestern and Michigan State. I nearly fell asleep in each of those games. And I was definitely unimpressed by Iowa getting destroyed by Wisconsin.

However, I will be impressed if Iowa can win its bowl game even if it is against a very mediocre opponent. I was glad the matchup was against Boston College. I got tired of watching Iowa losing to the B12, SEC, and PAC12 in bowl games the last seven years. Maybe the ACC will be the cure.

The OP wasn't trying to impress you. He was trying to impress upon you the circumstances that led to a 7 win season. If you can't understand that a 7 win season with a #6 rated strength of schedule (especially with the nature of the loss to PSU) vs a 7 win season vs the #50 rated SoS, then further discussion is probably worthless. Some people just want to be pissed. Perhaps you're one of those?
 
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The OP wasn't trying to impress you. He was trying to impress upon you the circumstances that led to a 7 win season. If you can't understand that a 7 win season with a #6 rated strength of schedule (especially with the nature of the loss to PSU) vs a 7 win season vs the #50 rated SoS, then further discussion is probably worthless. Some people just want to be pissed. Perhaps you're one of those?


Ding, ding, ding..
 
The OP wasn't trying to impress you. He was trying to impress upon you the circumstances that led to a 7 win season. If you can't understand that a 7 win season with a #6 rated strength of schedule (especially with the nature of the loss to PSU) vs a 7 win season vs the #50 rated SoS, then further discussion is probably worthless. Some people just want to be pissed. Perhaps you're one of those?

With that schedule they probably would have been ranked somewhere 10-15 at the end of the year if they don't lay an egg versus Northwestern and Purdue. That would have been fun.
 
Again. If it weren’t for that pathetic Purdue game, and getting crushed by Wisconsin, this would have been a pretty solid season with some could, shoulda, woulda’s. Iowa has got to stop losing those games.
Doesn't this type of thing happen more often than not with Iowa?
 
With that schedule they probably would have been ranked somewhere 10-15 at the end of the year if they don't lay an egg versus Northwestern and Purdue. That would have been fun.

The Purdue game really frustrated a lot of us. Especially after the ineptness at Camp Randall. As for Northwestern don't get me wrong, I can't stand them and that's after years and years of trying to modify my attitude and take "hate" out of my vernacular.

With that said they are a nine 9-3 team that's favored pretty decidedly in their bowl game match up. If you're "counting wins" I personally think Northwestern is a better team than Michigan State.

As I look over the landscape of college football it's pretty hard for me to look at it as anything other than wildly up and down everywhere. Iowa has maintained about the 25th highest winning percentage in the nation since 2001 and that's with a handful of awesome awesome years...quite frankly I can live with that.
 
With that schedule they probably would have been ranked somewhere 10-15 at the end of the year if they don't lay an egg versus Northwestern and Purdue. That would have been fun.

Change the outcome of the PSU game (literally inches from a win) too and imagine...
 
The OP wasn't trying to impress you. He was trying to impress upon you the circumstances that led to a 7 win season. If you can't understand that a 7 win season with a #6 rated strength of schedule (especially with the nature of the loss to PSU) vs a 7 win season vs the #50 rated SoS, then further discussion is probably worthless. Some people just want to be pissed. Perhaps you're one of those?

No, not pissed. Just not impressed. That's not to say I'm overly disappointed, either. Why does it have to be binary with all of you guys? Not being impressed does not equal thinking the team failed completely. I thought they were inconsistent, good one week, bad the next. They didn't reach a pinnacle and they didn't fall into an abyss. Well, week to week they reached pinnacles and fell into abysses, but they never remained in either one throughout the year. I didn't realize I had to be super happy with the season in order to not hate the team. Some of you guys might want to step away from the computer for a bit.
 
You win 6 games and go to a bowl game. Hell just within recent years some 5-7 teams got into bowl games. That's not bitterness, it's calling out participation awards.
It's an extra game for the players to play and fans to watch. You don't have to watch if you don't want!

It's also a fun way to see teams face others conference and teams you wouldn't see them play often or maybe ever.
I do think it's some BS we rarely get to play b12 teams though!!
 
You win 6 games and go to a bowl game. Hell just within recent years some 5-7 teams got into bowl games. That's not bitterness, it's calling out participation awards.
It's an extra game for the players to play and fans to watch. You don't have to watch if you don't want!

It's also a fun way to see teams face others conference and teams you wouldn't see them play often or maybe ever.
I do think it's some BS we rarely get to play b12 teams though!!


Um, if I lose interest I do turn the channel. Actually during the Purdue game we got up 9-7 and it was kinda boring. I left and went to the Justice League movie because I figured we would win 17-14 or something in a snooze fest.

Well after the movie I checked the boards and couldn't believe we lost. Also, you really shouldn't take fans for granted even if you consider them "band wagon" fans. Hell the program didn't look so great heading into the '15 season. It took an anomaly that had never happened to rally the base.
 
Um, if I lose interest I do turn the channel. Actually during the Purdue game we got up 9-7 and it was kinda boring. I left and went to the Justice League movie because I figured we would win 17-14 or something in a snooze fest.

Well after the movie I checked the boards and couldn't believe we lost. Also, you really shouldn't take fans for granted even if you consider them "band wagon" fans. Hell the program didn't look so great heading into the '15 season. It took an anomaly that had never happened to rally the base.
bandwagon fans suck.....
 
Um, if I lose interest I do turn the channel. Actually during the Purdue game we got up 9-7 and it was kinda boring. I left and went to the Justice League movie because I figured we would win 17-14 or something in a snooze fest.

Well after the movie I checked the boards and couldn't believe we lost. Also, you really shouldn't take fans for granted even if you consider them "band wagon" fans. Hell the program didn't look so great heading into the '15 season. It took an anomaly that had never happened to rally the base.
bandwagon fans suck.....


So do something about them
 
Oh, stop with the dramatics.

That's a joke right? You have posted a Novella about recruiting rankings and decided not to be impressed about a very impressive schedule all the while staunchly holding your opinion..that the team for the most is ...meh!

And you want me to stop with the dramatics?!?! Hmmmmm....ohhh satire, sorry I get it now. It was a joke.
 
It is undeniable a certain amount of apathy has set in the Iowa football program. 3 sell outs, In 3 years? I think the program knows that, which is why there has been some major coaching overhauls. What happens next is anyone's guess but even the biggest black and gold coolaid drinker cannot deny people have and are voting with $.
 
Um, if I lose interest I do turn the channel. Actually during the Purdue game we got up 9-7 and it was kinda boring. I left and went to the Justice League movie because I figured we would win 17-14 or something in a snooze fest.

Well after the movie I checked the boards and couldn't believe we lost. Also, you really shouldn't take fans for granted even if you consider them "band wagon" fans. Hell the program didn't look so great heading into the '15 season. It took an anomaly that had never happened to rally the base.

Fans are fans they are the same everywhere...Thinking about starting a new thread about one of my drivers that is an FSU fan. Started waxing poetic about Jimbo Fisher being to vanilla, conservative, couldn't tailor his offense to his talent.... you know the same crap we hear in here all the time.

Same stuff different team...when they lose everyone sucks, when they win everything looks up. It's just how it is. Most fans are to myopic to realize how predictable they are.
 
Um, if I lose interest I do turn the channel. Actually during the Purdue game we got up 9-7 and it was kinda boring. I left and went to the Justice League movie because I figured we would win 17-14 or something in a snooze fest.

Well after the movie I checked the boards and couldn't believe we lost. Also, you really shouldn't take fans for granted even if you consider them "band wagon" fans. Hell the program didn't look so great heading into the '15 season. It took an anomaly that had never happened to rally the base.

Fans are fans they are the same everywhere...Thinking about starting a new thread about one of my drivers that is an FSU fan. Started waxing poetic about Jimbo Fisher being to vanilla, conservative, couldn't tailor his offense to his talent.... you know the same crap we hear in here all the time.

Same stuff different team...when they lose everyone sucks, when they win everything looks up. It's just how it is. Most fans are to myopic to realize how predictable they are.


I would take FSU's skill players. Jimbo's basically had a pretty good run. His QB got decimated by Bama's defense and they couldn't recover. Deace says "you can't hide your QB"

You're right, fans are all the same. Some fan bases are just larger than others
 
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It is undeniable a certain amount of apathy has set in the Iowa football program. 3 sell outs, In 3 years? I think the program knows that, which is why there has been some major coaching overhauls. What happens next is anyone's guess but even the biggest black and gold coolaid drinker cannot deny people have and are voting with $.


Not really if you follow social economics at all attendance everywhere, in every sport and every venue, is decidedly down..here's a little sip snippet from CBS Sports....

CBS reported that average attendance nationally has declined every year since 2008. 2015 only saw a decrease less than 1 percent, but in 2014, it was 4 percent. And 2015’s average attendance figure was the lowest recorded since 2000.

The Big Ten has seen a decline as well. The 2015 average of 65,998 was down from 66,939 in 2014 and 70,431 in 2013.

It's too expensive to go to ball games anymore. I know there are a lot of people desperately hoping it's indicative of the fans growing apathetic but not likely.

I went to the Wisconsin-Iowa game this year and I would've never gone if I hadn't got free tickets. I hate going to the stadium for games and I go to a couple Professional games a year whether I want to or not.

We have season tickets to the Packers and the Bears & we get tickets to the White Sox & Cubs readily. The only time I really enjoy it is when I can take my wife and we sit in the box with food. The only professional sport worth going to in my mind is hockey and I'm not really that big a hockey fan. But the atmosphere is electric & the game is way easier to follow. Most teams are seeing a slow decline in attendance. So in reality it has less to do with the product and more to do with the fact people don't want to spend the money and I can't blame them.

There's probably been 100 articles about this very thing over the last couple.
 
I would take FSU's skill players. Jimbo's basically had a pretty good run. His QB got decimated by Bama's defense and they couldn't recover. Deace says "you can't hide your QB"

You're right, fans are all the same. Some fan bases are just larger than others

Yes and probably more to the point some are way more vocal on social media.
 
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That's a joke right? You have posted a Novella about recruiting rankings and decided not to be impressed about a very impressive schedule all the while staunchly holding your opinion..that the team for the most is ...meh!

And you want me to stop with the dramatics?!?! Hmmmmm....ohhh satire, sorry I get it now. It was a joke.

The recruiting rankings post wasn't dramatic at all. It was a series of facts and, when no one chimed in about the possible meanings of the rankings, I decided to give a brief analysis of each team. If you disagreed with the analysis that would have been the thread to post in.

Why are you so concerned about whether I'm impressed by the Hawkeyes season? I thought it was inconsistent so I wasn't impressed. i didn't say it was a dismal season, though, either. It had highs and lows. Iowa's wins against Ohio State and Iowa State were excellent. The losses to UW and Purdue were really bad. The wins against Illinois, Minnesota, and Nebraska were what you'd expect from Iowa against the worst teams in the B10 West. I WAS impressed with how Iowa destroyed Nebraska, though anyone watching had to admit that Nebraska quit at a certain point. Still, great that Iowa put their foot on their throat. The wins over Wyoming and North Texas are not impressive to me. The losses to Michigan State and Northwestern weren't surprises to me, either. Disappointing, but not surprising. The loss to PSU was heartbreaking, but a valiant effort by Iowa.

Iowa is currently ranked #51 overall as a football team by Sports Illustrated (they ranked all of the bowl teams). That's about consistent with their recruiting rankings as was their wins and losses this year, with Ohio State being a shocking over performance and Purdue being a shocking underperformance. Overall, though, the team performed at about the level they were expected to perform based on talent on the team, expectations, new offensive coaching staff, etc. I'm not one who expects national championships nor am I one who thinks Iowa has better talent than UW or Nebraska. Even Northwestern has slightly better talent overall which makes that game a coin flip with a slight edge to whichever team has home field. Nebraska is putrid given the talent on its roster. They quit by the latter half of the year and their defensive coaching and philosophy was terrible. Their coaching period was terrible. I'm glad of that.

But Iowa was neither overly impressive or overly disappointing. All signs in terms of talent, coaching, etc., pointed to them being a 3rd or 4th ranked team in the B10 West. I posted the recruiting rankings in the "realistic" thread to demonstrate that their rankings realistically put them at 3rd or 4th in the B10 West. And they accomplished that. They didn't exceed it nor did they fall below it. In other words, i didn't post rankings to shame Iowa; I posted them to demonstrate that expecting nine or ten wins was unrealistically optimistic given the teams they played. But thinking they'd lose six or more games was also unrealistic given the teams they played. They are an average B10 West team this year as they were the prior year. There's nothing wrong with that other than believing they are better or worse than that.

Of course, I understand wanting better results and hoping, at the beginning of each season, that they'll exceed expectations. And I understand younger fans getting a little more emotional about it all. I certainly was when I was in my teens and 20s. But there's no reason to be upset with anyone who says the team was average or mediocre. That's not the same as saying they were bad. And, yes, this is another long post because I have concepts to communicate. I probably wrote this faster than it takes anyone to read it. It's not my problem.
 
The recruiting rankings post wasn't dramatic at all. It was a series of facts and, when no one chimed in about the possible meanings of the rankings, I decided to give a brief analysis of each team. If you disagreed with the analysis that would have been the thread to post in.

Why are you so concerned about whether I'm impressed by the Hawkeyes season? I thought it was inconsistent so I wasn't impressed. i didn't say it was a dismal season, though, either. It had highs and lows. Iowa's wins against Ohio State and Iowa State were excellent. The losses to UW and Purdue were really bad. The wins against Illinois, Minnesota, and Nebraska were what you'd expect from Iowa against the worst teams in the B10 West. I WAS impressed with how Iowa destroyed Nebraska, though anyone watching had to admit that Nebraska quit at a certain point. Still, great that Iowa put their foot on their throat. The wins over Wyoming and North Texas are not impressive to me. The losses to Michigan State and Northwestern weren't surprises to me, either. Disappointing, but not surprising. The loss to PSU was heartbreaking, but a valiant effort by Iowa.

Iowa is currently ranked #51 overall as a football team by Sports Illustrated (they ranked all of the bowl teams). That's about consistent with their recruiting rankings as was their wins and losses this year, with Ohio State being a shocking over performance and Purdue being a shocking underperformance. Overall, though, the team performed at about the level they were expected to perform based on talent on the team, expectations, new offensive coaching staff, etc. I'm not one who expects national championships nor am I one who thinks Iowa has better talent than UW or Nebraska. Even Northwestern has slightly better talent overall which makes that game a coin flip with a slight edge to whichever team has home field. Nebraska is putrid given the talent on its roster. They quit by the latter half of the year and their defensive coaching and philosophy was terrible. Their coaching period was terrible. I'm glad of that.

But Iowa was neither overly impressive or overly disappointing. All signs in terms of talent, coaching, etc., pointed to them being a 3rd or 4th ranked team in the B10 West. I posted the recruiting rankings in the "realistic" thread to demonstrate that their rankings realistically put them at 3rd or 4th in the B10 West. And they accomplished that. They didn't exceed it nor did they fall below it. In other words, i didn't post rankings to shame Iowa; I posted them to demonstrate that expecting nine or ten wins was unrealistically optimistic given the teams they played. But thinking they'd lose six or more games was also unrealistic given the teams they played. They are an average B10 West team this year as they were the prior year. There's nothing wrong with that other than believing they are better or worse than that.

Of course, I understand wanting better results and hoping, at the beginning of each season, that they'll exceed expectations. And I understand younger fans getting a little more emotional about it all. I certainly was when I was in my teens and 20s. But there's no reason to be upset with anyone who says the team was average or mediocre. That's not the same as saying they were bad. And, yes, this is another long post because I have concepts to communicate. I probably wrote this faster than it takes anyone to read it. It's not my problem.


I'll be honest with you I didn't have time to read all your post, I may go back and do it later but right off the bat I don't care whether you're impressed or not. I'm just tired of coming to a fan board and seeing the constant complaining.

I also don't really care what sports illustrated said. Sagarins has Iowa as the 22nd best team in the nation I guess I'll go with that, you go with Sports Illustrated it seems to fit your agenda and personality better.
 
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