3 of these guys roll with M* every day. What do we really expect. He is a huge step back from Schwab. I wish he would go with the seniors.
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Several coaches need to move on ASAP. This is one of if not the best funded programs in the country. To consistently poop your pants at NCAAs needs to be fixed.
Strength and conditioning--we are smaller at nearly every weight compared to the competition. I see no strength advantage when wrestling top 20 guys with the exception of Sorensen and Burak. When you couple this with little or no foot speed at most weights, it should come as no surprise when "conditioning" alone is not enough. Smaller, weaker, slower...the new Iowa Style.
This embarrassing showing will hopefully tell Brands all he needs to know about the quality of his staff. I can't remember a time with a worse senior class in the last decade. It's downright unimaginable that Iowa doesn't have a better option at 41, 57, and 65.
Strength is a huge factor. I've been saying this since the Michigan meet. It was obvious when we wrestled Missouri (you are able to stall when you are stronger then your opponent). They were noticeably bigger then us at almost every weight. Everyone is talking about Sorenson bumping up to 157 next year and all that would do is give us 1 less (Burak the other) guy who looks big for there weight.
Order of the house cleaning
1. uncle Luke
2. M* (which my lose us Maraneli)
3. Big Ben
Order of the house cleaning
1. uncle Luke
2. M* (which my lose us Maraneli)
3. Big Ben
Iowa did have a better option at 141 or 157 his name is Brody Grothus.
The problem was someone told him it was a good idea to take on the freshman 149 lber instead of gaining/losing weight over the summer and taking out one of our 5th year seniors.
The problem was someone told him it was a good idea to take on the freshman 149 lber instead of gaining/losing weight over the summer and taking out one of our 5th year seniors.
That's coaching. Plain and simple, horrible decision. You have a chance to win a team title and you trot out two absolute zeros every week.
I think Evans has accepted this and is just doing his part to simply beat opponents he should beat and move on until he runs into the guys he knows he can't beat (whether because Brown is too big for him or Kokesh is just fundamentally better...). At least that's what it looks like.
They are a mirror image of workout partner and coach-Morningstall! The wheels have been coming off this team since Schwab left!
Great point.
The staff needs to dictate weight assignments based on their expert analysis. Otherwise why in hell are they coaches. Letting the wrestlers decide it equals recipe for current state of the team.
Leadership isn't being your friend and pal or even idol, it's formulating a plan and making sure everyone gets on board. If the staff can't formulate a plan and find guys that follow it why are they coaching. What we keep hearing and what we keep seeing are world's apart.
If Brands and Company came out and said we have defensive wrestler filling spots now I could understand the product we see on the mat, however he pretends like these guys are the offensive machines he saw in High School. Each week: "we'
ve got a lot of fire-power, time to let the fur fly, it's up the the 10 guys on the mat."
To me it goes back to an over emphasis on the dual results. They (duals during season) don't seem to matter in the seeding anyway, so why not force these guys to wrestle wide-open in the duals and encourage that style so it becomes the habit, not the 3-2 2-1 results we saw so many times. What I've seen is the opposite and this does not appear to be bearing good fruit.
I could name 10 guys off the top of my head I would rather have than M*. We don't need Schwab back we just need coaches who wrestled and would push our style. Metcalf, McDonough, Ramos, Borschel, Slaton, Juergens, Erekson,Dennis, Herbert, the list goes on and on.
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I don't think you'll see Metcalf until after Summer 2016.
I still argue this 5th class was a huge mistake and Brands and Company got tunnel vision, and began "hoping," as some have said versus evaluating. It happens to good men and women when coaches are not completely focused on why they are there--win Championships.
When you live on hope, at some point you will wake up broke and lost. I'm talking about the current Iowa wrestling team, not the country.
No question this senior class has disappointed. Brands and fellow coaches are accountable, or should be. And if these guys don't have the talent to compete, where is the bench strength. And if these guys all seem to regress over their career, whose fault is that? M* sure gets a lot of abuse here, but be honest, is it really that much worse since he arrived. Seems all the same to me. I don't know what the deal is, but there is something or a combination of things, that is not working. This is not about Iowa style, it's more about Brands style maybe? Sorry for the ramble, just frustrated.
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The guys under achieving the most are M*'s guys. If you can't see the similarities between the way he wrestled and these guys you're not gonna get it. Borschel would piss pound these guys daily not teach them to stand around and tie up hoping to win it in the third period.
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So, ban someone for complaining on a message board. Great idea, while you're at it let's ban those American flags too. 2 of the dumbest ideas ever.
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It is non stop. You guys seriously need to relax. These kids works their butts off. Am I upset about today? Of course. But I am not going to stoop the the level of belittling college kids. Just go and jump off the cliff already and stop all of this pissing and moaning for Christ's sake.
Same old one time bomb throwers from the urinal. Same crowd and excuses.
Many of the complaints are more nuanced than you could understand. Go review the season, attempt to educate yourself as to what is going on with this team, come back (no ban here), and then become the servant you are.
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I've heard this a few times, as I rarely post. I love this board and I check it daily. It's just disappointing to see all these folks putting these kids down. The sky is not falling. If we do not end up winning on Saturday night, by all means, voice your concerns. We still have two more days of wrestling boys.
Yeah it's crazy that he did everything he possibly could and worked his butt off. It is just crazy that there are wrestlers out there that are better than he is. Thank you Mike Kelly. I wish some of these other guys had the heart you do. I'm sure you will be very successful in life, unlike the all knowing bad asses on this board who have no control over there emotions. You guys seriously need to go spew your garbage somewhere else. I'm embarrassed for you.
I still don't understand the blame always being placed on M*
Kelly was not ever a highly regarded wrestler
Moore, outside of whatever is ailing him this year, has actually improved since his freshman year
Evans has always, ALWAYS been limited on his feet. What concerns me is how bad his riding regressed (BTW, M* was a good rider)
Who else are we blaming on M*? I just don't get it. Lofthouse improved when he was here, just had a bad tourney his senior year.
Kelly was not ever a highly regarded wrestler
Moore, outside of whatever is ailing him this year, has actually improved since his freshman year
Evans has always, ALWAYS been limited on his feet. What concerns me is how bad his riding regressed (BTW, M* was a good rider)
Who else are we blaming on M*? I just don't get it. Lofthouse improved when he was here, just had a bad tourney his senior year.
Two seniors about to go 0-2 ...Has there ever been a 3 year starter at Iowa that has failed to ever All American? (Nick Moore)
The good thing about it is Kelly and Moore will never wrestle at Iowa again. Neither ever accomplished anything at the big level. What a terrible day on the mat for the Hawks. No way Iowa wins the championship. Go Hawks!!!
