Iowa seniors

[86_90]

Originally posted by DirkTang:
Careful. He might just insult you. Don't even think about the major decision, it should have been a pin. 89, you are pathetic. Put down the booze, there is more to life man.

2-6 for the seniors on day 1. They tried really hard and the staff had them ready to go. Northern Colorado has an up and coming program. Nick Moore majored in last match, 0-2 on day, still looking to see if there was any time left on clock.

DirkTang for never posting on the wrestling board and obviously not knowing what's been going on, you've stepped up your posting tonight. Do you have some aliases you'd like to share? Same old excuse artists. NO effort, no fight. Pathetic, seems like your kind of kid DirtPang.

Hunter Stieber showed more heart in his two matches today with basically both elbows blown out than I've seen from Moore all year, heck pretty much his whole career. Both guys had similar results, but the way they went out tells me all I need to know.

DirtPang, why don't you head back to your empathy support group and we'll all FEEL better.

 

[86_90]

For what's it's worth I said at the beginning of the year Kelly did not have a Big10 skill-set. Yet somehow he remained in the line-up the entire year. His heart and guts are exceptional and I enjoyed watching him the entire season. That is a great accomplishment for Mike Kelly, but it is also a terrible indictment of Brands and Company. At the end of the season the best guys usually put it together barring significant injury. Kelly had no chance for success other than hope and blind luck at this level.

 

[DirkTang]

Of course, how brilliant you are. Did you even go to college? How creative you are. I've only stepped up my posting because you, are a fool. Why don't you do everyone a favor, and give it a rest. I have no aliases, and I'd be happy to give you my email if you really want to know. I'm tired of all your crap, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

 

[Lsanders20]

Telford just put us in 2nd.

 

[86_90]

Originally posted by DirkTang:
Of course, how brilliant you are. Did you even go to college? How creative you are. I've only stepped up my posting because you, are a fool. Why don't you do everyone a favor, and give it a rest. I have no aliases, and I'd be happy to give you my email if you really want to know. I'm tired of all your crap, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Why are you being such a baby about comments you could easily not read. If it's getting too much for your sensitive self to handle, please put me on ignore. I'll understand and no hard feelings.

No, I won't be so cruel as to ask for you to give out your email address. You also betray your own simple insecurities when you ask about a poster's educational background. It doesn't matter and I don't judge the content of what I hear based on whether or not a person has a degree or not. That's probably a fundamental difference in how we see the world.

Stick around tomorrow and I'll do my best to educate you on what the straight shooters are trying to say, without of course being too insensitive to your fragile ego.

 

[DirkTang]

How dare you. He's a senior. Do not give him any credit. He is not worthy of being a hawkeye. He lost first round. He's dead to most of the geniuses around here. We have already lost. No reason to even wrestle the next two days apparently. Let's hammer on college kids behind our computers, because we're too poor to actually go to nationals.

In all seriousness, we're right where we thought we would be imho. But let's jump off a cliff because you have unrealistic expectations 86. The fact you have been beating all things negative into the ground for the last two weeks shows your intelligence. I'll post more often, just for you buddy

 

[wahlberg]

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by final drive:
They are a mirror image of workout partner and coach-Morningstall! The wheels have been coming off this team since Schwab left!

Yeah well then he needs to come the f** back here!!!

Sorry, but Schwab is just not the answer. What is UNI doing? 285 looks good. ANYTHING else? I haven't paid too much attention to their tourny but I know Peters barbecued and can't think of anyone else they have on the front side besides 285.

 

[Chuck C]

Uni's HWT has an epic stache, I know that much.

 

[wahlberg]

Originally posted by WEH8ST8HAWK:
The guys under achieving the most are M*'s guys. If you can't see the similarities between the way he wrestled and these guys you're not gonna get it. Borschel would piss pound these guys daily not teach them to stand around and tie up hoping to win it in the third period.
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M* used to beat Borschel in practice actually.

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by final drive:
They are a mirror image of workout partner and coach-Morningstall! The wheels have been coming off this team since Schwab left!

Yeah well then he needs to come the f** back here!!!

Sorry, but Schwab is just not the answer. What is UNI doing? 285 looks good. ANYTHING else? I haven't paid too much attention to their tourny but I know Peters barbecued and can't think of anyone else they have on the front side besides 285.

Cooper Moore get beat?

 

[wahlberg]

Honestly, idk. I should check the brackets but either way I don't think Schwab's team is making much of a positive statement this year, not enough to say, "bring back Schwab because he is the answer to all our problems."

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by 86_90:
For what's it's worth I said at the beginning of the year Kelly did not have a Big10 skill-set. Yet somehow he remained in the line-up the entire year. His heart and guts are exceptional and I enjoyed watching him the entire season. That is a great accomplishment for Mike Kelly, but it is also a terrible indictment of Brands and Company. At the end of the season the best guys usually put it together barring significant injury. Kelly had no chance for success other than hope and blind luck at this level.

I forgive you for mistakes you made today....

 

[hawkeyealumni]

We sure have a lot of guys who wrestle Morningstars boring no action style.
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[sloehawk]

Originally posted by wahlberg:
Honestly, idk. I should check the brackets but either way I don't think Schwab's team is making much of a positive statement this year, not enough to say, "bring back Schwab because he is the answer to all our problems."

We were certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by wahlberg:
Honestly, idk. I should check the brackets but either way I don't think Schwab's team is making much of a positive statement this year, not enough to say, "bring back Schwab because he is the answer to all our problems."

We were certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

Worse than the dark ages from 2001-2007?

 

[wahlberg]

Originally posted by sloehawk:
We were certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

I agree we were better then, obviously. Just don't necessarily think that means Schwab was the reason (which you stated as well), especially considering UNI's current status.

With the second part of your comment, you may be right. I think Telford is fairly offensive, especially for a Hwt. Kelly's issues have nothing to do with not being offensive. I think Moore was fairly offensive before his injury issues (though I know many on here don't like to hear that "excuse"). Evans has become less offensive (especially on top) and I am not sure why, though he was never extremely offensive unless he knew he could blow someone out. Dziewa was never real offensive from what I remember. All in all, not an extremely offensive bunch. Definitely nothing like Dennis, Borschel, Metcalf, Keddy, Beatty, Erekson, Slaton, Leclere, etc. Morningstar was in that class too but wasn't very offensive.

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by wahlberg:
Honestly, idk. I should check the brackets but either way I don't think Schwab's team is making much of a positive statement this year, not enough to say, "bring back Schwab because he is the answer to all our problems."

We were certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

Worse than the dark ages from 2001-2007?

Gotta be as bad doesn't it? Plus a #1 recruiting class I believe? 1/2 the team. Not good.

Evans doesn't even attempt to turn anyone anymore. Not sure what's up with that. He's still a tough out but.........

Telford has had a successful career as well. Just not a great career, same as Mike.

We know the rest. It's just plain bad any way you look at it.

 

[86_90]

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by sloehawk:
ere certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

Worse than the dark ages from 2001-2007?

Hard to say, I don't remember a thread about it, so it must not have been an issue.

Many of those teams were outgunned, but the effort to score was there, much like superior versions of Mike Kelly. The problem here seems to be one where guys with offensive talent choose not to use it as liberally as we would like. Kind of like an F-15 Eagle that refuses to engage in air to air combat.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Originally posted by 86_90:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by sloehawk:
ere certainly better when he was here, I don't think there is any denying that. I don't know what the root cause is to Iowa's "problems", but our development has went downhill drastically, IMO.

This Senior class, for the number of guys that start and have started, HAS to be the least offensive group ever assembled in Black and Gold for a graduating class. I'm not sure any other class comes remotely close to be honest. THAT is a problem.

Worse than the dark ages from 2001-2007?

Hard to say, I don't remember a thread about it, so it must not have been an issue.

Many of those teams were outgunned, but the effort to score was there, much like superior versions of Mike Kelly. The problem here seems to be one where guys with offensive talent choose not to use it as liberally as we would like. Kind of like an F-15 Eagle that refuses to engage in air to air combat.

Yeah that's not good when man-made jets refuse orders.

 

[wahlberg]

Cooper Moore (UNI) pinned Sulzer (UVA, seeded 4th) to make the quarters and will have BoJo in the morning. So, 2 UNI on the front side, not sure about consis. Cabell has McMullan (Northwestern, seeded 2nd) in the morning.

 

[mangypolecat]

Maybe we could get VT to give us there best wrestlers again? Our best and their best combined might win a title. Apart, not as likely.

 

[86_90]

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:

Originally posted by 86_90:

Hard to say, I don't remember a thread about it, so it must not have been an issue.

Many of those teams were outgunned, but the effort to score was there, much like superior versions of Mike Kelly. The problem here seems to be one where guys with offensive talent choose not to use it as liberally as we would like. Kind of like an F-15 Eagle that refuses to engage in air to air combat.

Yeah that's not good when man-made jets refuse orders.

AI on the horizon which may make the quip real.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by WEH8ST8HAWK:

The guys under achieving the most are M*'s guys. If you can't see the similarities between the way he wrestled and these guys you're not gonna get it. Borschel would piss pound these guys daily not teach them to stand around and tie up hoping to win it in the third period.

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M* used to beat Borschel in practice actually.

You mean Brent used to beat everyone in the lineup up to Borschel. I never ever witnessed Ryan beat Jay, ever.
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[wahlberg]

Originally posted by WEH8ST8HAWK:

Originally posted by wahlberg:

Originally posted by WEH8ST8HAWK:

The guys under achieving the most are M*'s guys. If you can't see the similarities between the way he wrestled and these guys you're not gonna get it. Borschel would piss pound these guys daily not teach them to stand around and tie up hoping to win it in the third period.

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M* used to beat Borschel in practice actually.

You mean Brent used to beat everyone in the lineup up to Borschel. I never ever witnessed Ryan beat Jay, ever.
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I did on multiple occasions. Not saying Ryan would have beat Jay in a match. But, in the practice room, I saw it happen more often than not. And, M* beat Metcalf more often than not as well (which, with the size difference, should not be that surprising)

 

[86_90]

Senior End Game:

2015 Tourney ////// Career NCAA Finishes
@141 Seed #5, finish DNP career: DNP,DNP
@157 Seed NS, finish 0-2 career: DNP, DNP
@165 Seed NS, finish 0-2 career: DNP, DNP, DNP
@174 Seed #3, finish 5/6 Career, 3 time AA : DNP, 6th, 6th, 6th
@HWT Seed #3, finish 5/6 Career, 3 time AA : 5th, DNP, 4th, 5th

 

[TailgateTom]

Originally posted by 86_90:
Senior End Game:

2015 Tourney ////// Career NCAA Finishes
@141 Seed #5, finish DNP career: DNP,DNP
@157 Seed NS, finish 0-2 career: DNP, DNP
@165 Seed NS, finish 0-2 career: DNP, DNP, DNP
@174 Seed #3, finish 5/6 Career, 3 time AA : DNP, 6th, 6th, 6th
@HWT Seed #3, finish 5/6 Career, 3 time AA : 5th, DNP, 4th, 5th

Also Jake Ballweg and Anthony Baldosoro (sp?) who quit VERY early.

 

[Spicolli]

Telford DNP = **Due to injury

 

[86_90]

Originally posted by Spicolli:

Telford DNP = **Due to injury

Correct. I think he would have been an AA that year as well, and perhaps the remainder of his career would have taken a slightly different path. He was the Crown Jewel of the class, and had his best chance snuffed out by stall king Tony Nelson.
Excellent career.

 

[86_90]

Interesting/crazy stat. For the outgoing Senior class, only Telford (today) won his final competitive match @NCAAs during the last 4 years. They all lost their last match @NCAAs for 4 straight years, with Telford winning his final match both for himself and this graduating class. They were 0-13 up to the point where Telford won today. That is a crazy statistic for a class that came in ranked #1 out of high school.

Note: Telford's 5th place finish/win as a red-shirt freshman was by forfeit.

 

[dirt33]

Man, that's a pretty tough stat to digest.
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[86_90]

Originally posted by dirt33:
Man, that's a pretty tough stat to digest.
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At some point, stats matter. Negative yes, the truth yes.

 

[86_90]

Same old one time bomb throwers from the urinal. Same crowd and excuses.

Many of the complaints are more nuanced than you could understand. Go review the season, attempt to educate yourself as to what is going on with this team, come back (no ban here), and then become the servant you are.

This post was edited on 3/19 8:41 PM by 86_90

I just liked this post and thread so much I wanted to share it. Dirktang must be one of the "...calm down fellas, stop complaining, feeling will be hurt turds."

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Go ahead and pull the scab off......No........ don't do it fast,

Pull it offfff reeeeaaaalllll sssslllllloooowwwwwlllly.

 

[HoundedHawk]

Interesting/crazy stat. For the outgoing Senior class, only Telford (today) won his final competitive match @NCAAs during the last 4 years. They all lost their last match @NCAAs for 4 straight years, with Telford winning his final match both for himself and this graduating class. They were 0-13 up to the point where Telford won today. That is a crazy statistic for a class that came in ranked #1 out of high school.

Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.

 

[AFHawk86]

0 for 13!

Wow, that's a damning statistic. Will definitely be interesting to see if there's real change this year. How you finish says a lot about heart and mind.