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25 Gilman Major
33 Clark Dec
41 Turk Dec
49 BS Major
57 Kemerer Major
65 could go either way depending on who Iowa puts in
74 Meyer Dec
84 Dec Brooks MATCH of the night
97 Dec Colbray
285 Dec Holloway
ISU best chance is to win 3-4 matches, but it will be another dominate Iowa win no matter what KJ says.
I'm not sure exactly what lineup Iowa state puts out there, but I think the dual could be competitive due to not having Marinelli or Stoll in the lineup. I say Iowa wins 125, 133, 149, 157 for sure. 184 toss up, 174 toss up, 141 toss up, 165 toss up unless marinelli in then we win that, 197 i'd favor IA states colbray if he goes. 285 Would be holloway vs who?
I was thinking Meeks. Didn't know Moreno was going down. If Moreno I still think it's 50/50. Could also see Boston there.
I know I'm in the the minority on these boards but I think it'll be Carton in the end.
If either of these guys beats Moreno it would be a great win. He made weight for wrestle offs but had a shoulder brace/compression shirt on. I'm not sure if they hold him back at all coming off another shoulder surgery.
Kj's said Boston is going to challenge for the 133 spot this season. He's off to a decent start losing 5-4 in the wrestle off but scoring the first takedown
When is Stoll expected to be back? Sorry, I'm sure this has been discussed but I missed it and didn't know he was still out.
Stoll said that he was drilling, and wrestling some live goes right now. Tom said that he likes what he sees out of Stoll right now and he's cautious from coming back from injury, but still optimistic. Wants to come back at the right time so he can go full speed 100% right away with no worries.
Stall call with 2 seconds left. Boston was very close to scoring about 15 seconds before. Boston didn't have a friend in the arena.
Against someone like Holloway, I think Harrington would wrestle. I have serious doubts Moreno can survive the whole season. He's a shell of himself. If the Hawks push a hectic pace against Moreno, Iowa wins 141.
I feel the same about Carton. No offense to him but I hope Turk emerges for future sake.
Said it all fall. He made 41 for wrestle offs too. Looks ultra thin.
He's ranked there also. Around 15 I think.
You hit it on the head. If Turk gets the spot that means he's improved so we're in good shape.
Turk from last year..great motor and double but gives up tons of points and struggles on bottom.
Good to know. Wonder why he didn't wrestle Meeks at wrestle offs.
Harrington has a lingering injury
Ps PBS you guys completely overplayed Chapman should've left Lester in
They should have let the starter Hendricks go 8.
ISU should have a very solid dual team and would STILL most likely get throttled by a fully healthy Iowa(which they won't see Dec.10). That just goes to show how far ahead the top 4 or so teams are then everyone else.
125: Gilman MD Larson Larson is a top 10 or 12 guy, but Gilman will wreck everyone outside the top 6 or so.
133: Clark Dec. Hall A major is very possible, as Clark has had success turning Hall in the past.
141: Meeks dec. Turk/Carton Could go either way, but going with the Senior after a nice win over Storr. ISU has depth here.
149: Sorenson dec. Moreno Should be a 10-4ish type match. Moreno cutting to 141 after so many injuries doesn't compute.
157: Kemerer TF Rod.-Spencer Should be a takedown clinic.
165: Pestano/DiBlasi dec. Paddock No way Marinelli is wrestling Dec. 10. Pestano getting down to 165 from 184, wow.
174: Meyer dec. Weatherspoon Should be a toss up but Iowa almost always wins these in duals.
184: Brooks dec. Downey See above.
197: Colbray/Harrington dec Holloway Not much to see here
285: Smith/Harrington/Gremmell should get 6 here with Stoll not going
Iowa 21-ISU 15
Without Stoll(unless they are able to put someone at 285 and have them keep it to a decision) ISU has an actual chance(albeit best case scenario) at winning the dual(although I would NEVER predict it) due to that possible 12 point swing. ISU could legitimately win at 141, 165, 174, 184, 197 and 285. With 6 points at 285, they could actually win 21-15!
125: Gilman MD Larson Larson is a top 10 or 12 guy, but Gilman will wreck everyone outside the top 6 or so.
133: Clark Dec. Hall A major is very possible, as Clark has had success turning Hall in the past.
141: Meeks dec. Turk/Carton Could go either way, but going with the Senior after a nice win over Storr. ISU has depth here.
149: Sorenson dec. Moreno Should be a 10-4ish type match. Moreno cutting to 141 after so many injuries doesn't compute.
157: Kemerer TF Rod.-Spencer Should be a takedown clinic.
165: Pestano/DiBlasi dec. Paddock No way Marinelli is wrestling Dec. 10. Pestano getting down to 165 from 184, wow.
174: Meyer dec. Weatherspoon Should be a toss up but Iowa almost always wins these in duals.
184: Brooks dec. Downey See above.
197: Colbray/Harrington dec Holloway Not much to see here
285: Smith/Harrington/Gremmell should get 6 here with Stoll not going
Iowa 21-ISU 15
Without Stoll(unless they are able to put someone at 285 and have them keep it to a decision) ISU has an actual chance(albeit best case scenario) at winning the dual(although I would NEVER predict it) due to that possible 12 point swing. ISU could legitimately win at 141, 165, 174, 184, 197 and 285. With 6 points at 285, they could actually win 21-15!
141: Moreno already made scratch at 141 for wrestle offs. Jackson said he is ready to go for SDSU, may use him depending on the dual
285: Both Smith and Gremmel are coming off procedures I believe. I know Gremmel is missing the first few opens, not sure he gets back on the mat in time to push for starting role in early December.
125 is very thin after the top 8 or so. I think he can definitely hang with the likes of Lizak or Templeman.
If not Paddock, then St. John, I still see the same results.
I don't doubt that Moreno has made 141, but I just don't see it benefiting him and since either Moreno or Meeks will end up at 149, I think it would be better for Moreno to be at 149. But, that is obviously 100% opinion. I just listed all the possible 285's I knew of.
I could easily end up being wrong. I just think the guy is a scrapper and improved over the course of last season. I am not impressed with 125 after the Top6 or so, and think he could fit right into 10-15.
141 doesn't have a Zain. It's also less pressure/strength coming from bigger guys. Hence less chance of injury.
Meeks would have to beat out Briceno and Straw up at 49.
Good luck to Moreno. I know how hard it is to come back from multiple injuries when fully hydrated and protein infused(eating happy and healthy). I can't imagine having to cut to a weight class below what he wrestled his senior year in high school(145-5 years ago) can help his body regardless of the possibility of wrestling Zain at 149!
The Chapman issue started in game 6 when he put him in in the 7th inning with a 5 run lead and had him start the 9th with a 7 run lead. Who does that with their closer knowing he may be needed game 7? Then he pulled both Hendricks and Lester too early in game 7. Refused to play small ball to move runners in a game they lost 1-0. In the 9th inning last night with lead off man on he refused to let Heyward bunt the runner into scoring position but had Baez attempt a bunt with 2 strikes. A lot of other examples that series. Joe Maddon always has to be the smartest guy in the room. Completely over managed the series and it almost cost em. We can question his managing until the cows come home but they won he he will say:
My brother is a cubs fan, and I have been getting texts similar to your post above all series.The Chapman issue started in game 6 when he put him in in the 7th inning with a 5 run lead and had him start the 9th with a 7 run lead. Who does that with their closer knowing he may be needed game 7? Then he pulled both Hendricks and Lester too early in game 7. Refused to play small ball to move runners in a game they lost 1-0. In the 9th inning last night with lead off man on he refused to let Heyward bunt the runner into scoring position but had Baez attempt a bunt with 2 strikes. A lot of other examples that series. Joe Maddon always has to be the smartest guy in the room. Completely over managed the series and it almost cost em. We can question his managing until the cows come home but they won he he will say:
The way the last 13 innings were managed stole most of my joy out of the series win. He did a great job with the team and the season, and then the pressure seemed to get to him and he made the most outlandish managerial decisions I've ever seen. Seems like he made up his mind ahead of time and was too stubborn or locked in to see clearly. Plus, he came out and said there were only two relief pitchers that he trusted. How would that make you feel if he were your boss (and you weren't one of the two)?The Chapman issue started in game 6 when he put him in in the 7th inning with a 5 run lead and had him start the 9th with a 7 run lead. Who does that with their closer knowing he may be needed game 7? Then he pulled both Hendricks and Lester too early in game 7. Refused to play small ball to move runners in a game they lost 1-0. In the 9th inning last night with lead off man on he refused to let Heyward bunt the runner into scoring position but had Baez attempt a bunt with 2 strikes. A lot of other examples that series. Joe Maddon always has to be the smartest guy in the room. Completely over managed the series and it almost cost em. We can question his managing until the cows come home but they won he he will say:
Still glad to get the pressure of 108 years off Cubs' fans collective backs.
I got looking into the potential matchups and got the same feeling that this could be VERY close. Iowa just has too many unknowns at several weights. I'm working under the guise that the teams split 174/184. Iowa needs both, imo.
If ISU beats the Hawks, I might have a coronary. I think the Hawks have bonus at three weights and would definitely win a 5/5 dual.
I would like to see Meeks have a nice storybook ending to his career. There camp has said a number of times he's great in the room but it never translates to competition. Always feel for those world beater guys who come to college and just aren't the same, though as I get older I'm starting to notice which of these guys will translate well to the next level
LOL..."most" of your joy? The Cubs won the World Series and you let the means that lead to it take away your enjoyment of the occasion? That's freaking sad.
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