Iowa Ticket Office

[83Hawk]

Awhat? Read this slowly: If a person had 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 priority points, and yet did not donate $15,000+ THIS YEAR, they do not get 8 tickets. They get two if they donated at the lowest level or bought season tickets.

I'm not sure what you are missing. Ticket NUMBERS beyond 2 are entirely based on donation levels....not priority points.

You are the one that can't keep up. Tickets are based on priority points within each donation level. That is straight from the university. Apparently everyone understands this but you. You can try arguing with them, but you won't be any more successful than you were in this thread.

Fail.

 

[Ehawk1fan]

You'd have to be in the top 5-10% of all ticket holders with that many points.

If you can't get you're request filled, no one will.

Ha I wish that was true my neighbor has over 600. When we redid the seats I waited a mouth I am middle of the pak at best.

 

[theIowaHawk]

You are the one that can't keep up. Tickets are based on priority points within each donation level. That is straight from the university. Apparently everyone understands this but you. You can try arguing with them, but you won't be any more successful than you were in this thread.

Fail.

What are you trying to say? That the highest priority points get to choose how many tickets they want? You have successfully confused me, because this is rather simple.

Let's try a couple specific scenarios:

Person A has 800 Priority Points. Person is absolutely, definitely, no-doubt-about-it getting their Rose Bowl tickets.

IF Person A donated $10,000 this year they will get 8 tickets. (By the way, I did in fact review that wrong it is Kinnick Society AND Kinnick Society Gold Members)
IF Person A donated $6,000-10,000 this year they will get 6 tickets.
IF Person A donated $2,500-$6,000 this year they will get 4 tickets.
IF Person A donated at any other level or is a season ticket holder at any other level they will get 2 tickets.

The AMOUNT of tickets (beyond two obviously) is completely, 100% dependent on donation level THIS year, not in years past.

Try a different one:

Person B has 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 Priority Points and donated less than $2,500 dollars. Person B gets 2 tickets, even though he is the highest of all

So I repeat exactly what I posted on the last page:

Priority is NOT what gets you extra tickets....you realize that right?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Again, this isn't difficult.

1. The University will order their requests from highest priority to lowest.
2. They will then check their current donation level.
3. They will give person at the top (#1) their allotment. If they donated $10,000 they will get 8. There are now 21,994 tickets remaining.
4. They will give person #2 their allotment based on donation level. Presuming they only donated $50 they will get 2. There are now 21,992 tickets remaining.
5. At some point there will be only, say, 2 tickets left. Let's say that is person #3,335. That person will receive 2 tickets and there will be 0 remaining. Whatever their Priority Point number, it was the cutoff.

So, in summary for those in need: Priority Points will guarantee your receipt of tickets, it does not determine the amount of tickets you get.

 

[theIowaHawk]

DM Register seems to say:

24,500 of the 43,000 are actually eligible. The others, regardless of priority points are not.
All student season ticket holders who request one will get one
They may get more tickets from the RB.

That also, logically, appears to be for tickets, not requests. So there are 2,500 eligible tickets that would be turned down (as of that moment).

 

[83Hawk]

Again, this isn't difficult.

1. The University will order their requests from highest priority to lowest.
2. They will then check their current donation level.
3. They will give person at the top (#1) their allotment. If they donated $10,000 they will get 8. There are now 21,994 tickets remaining.
4. They will give person #2 their allotment based on donation level. Presuming they only donated $50 they will get 2. There are now 21,992 tickets remaining.
5. At some point there will be only, say, 2 tickets left. Let's say that is person #3,335. That person will receive 2 tickets and there will be 0 remaining. Whatever their Priority Point number, it was the cutoff.

So, in summary for those in need: Priority Points will guarantee your receipt of tickets, it does not determine the amount of tickets you get.

Pretty much what I've been saying all along. You have once again proven my point. Thank you.

Although you did manage to divert the argument from what it was originally, which is typical of you.

 

[LuckyNed]

Had no problem getting online and ordering the 4 it said I could apply for concerning my donation level. Question now is do I make the cut-off?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Pretty much what I've been saying all along. You have once again proven my point. Thank you.

Although you did manage to divert the argument from what it was originally, which is typical of you.

Ok, you want to change your earlier, good for you. I'm just happy I can inform some people, including you.

But, again, priority points have no bearing on one's ability to get more than 2 tickets, precisely what I've said since page one.

 

[83Hawk]

Ok, you want to change your earlier, good for you. I'm just happy I can inform some people, including you.

But, again, priority points have no bearing on one's ability to get more than 2 tickets, precisely what I've said since page one.

You are wrong of course (as usual).

Not sure why Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System is so difficult a concept for you to grasp. But again, it is just you arguing for argument's sake. I'm happy to set you straight.

That being said...you are just making yourself look more foolish with every post. You might want to consider quitting while you are behind.

 

[Bones4hawks]

You are wrong of course (as usual).

Not sure why Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System is so difficult a concept for you to grasp. But again, it is just you arguing for argument's sake. I'm happy to set you straight.

That being said...you are just making yourself look more foolish with every post. You might want to consider quitting while you are behind.

Isn't this laid out in the email sent to season ticket holders from the University?

 

[83Hawk]

Isn't this laid out in the email sent to season ticket holders from the University?

Yes it is. And it is an easy concept to grasp.
Iowahawk's problem is, he got off onto a tangent from what I was originally arguing....that season ticket holders should have first crack at the bowl tickets. He veered off into the priority thing. Eventually he settled on the "priority doesn't determine how many tickets a person can get." Which I NEVER said otherwise. Instead of looking at the big picture, he chose to nitpick. This is a typical tactic of his.

Priority is a factor in getting tickets....period. That is straight from the University.

 

[cidhawkeye]

So if I donate $20,000 I can get 8 tickets and I have season tickets I can get two more for 10 total? Just kidding on that, this has been fun

 

[theIowaHawk]

Yes it is. And it is an easy concept to grasp.
Iowahawk's problem is, he got off onto a tangent from what I was originally arguing....that season ticket holders should have first crack at the bowl tickets. He veered off into the priority thing. Eventually he settled on the "priority doesn't determine how many tickets a person can get." Which I NEVER said otherwise. Instead of looking at the big picture, he chose to nitpick. This is a typical tactic of his.

Priority is a factor in getting tickets....period. That is straight from the University.

Sure, we will pretend you "NEVER" said otherwise:

Priority is NOT what gets you extra tickets....you realize that right?

You seem to want people with ten tickets to get ten tickets, how is that different?

You realize you are wrong, don't you? Of course you do. Below is a direct cut and paste from the email I received from the University:

Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System.

Fail again.

Speaking of obtuse.

Ticket PRIORITY is based on the Priority Points System....not the amount of tickets.

Request Limits*: Kinnick Society Gold & Kinnick Society - 8

Champion Hawk - 6

Golden & Silver Hawk - 4

Remaining I-Club Members &

Football Season Ticket Holders - 2

This is current year donation level. A person with 300 priority points who donated at the lowest level gets two tickets. So the people who get 8 tickets aren't those with the highest priority, they are those who donated $15,000 this year.

I'm sure you will admit your wrongfulness now...

 

[theIowaHawk]

You are wrong of course (as usual).

Not sure why Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System is so difficult a concept for you to grasp.

See, again, you are claiming I am wrong. You are responding to this:

But, again, priority points have no bearing on one's ability to get more than 2 tickets, precisely what I've said since page one.

Which is, of course, true. You keep saying it is wrong .... and then you claim you don't say it is wrong.

I've laid this out extremely simply, with specific scenarios. To try again: If a person is allowed to get 8 tickets, they are getting 8 tickets regardless. That means they donated $10,000+ this year. Even presuming they never made a donation before this year and this was their very first year of tickets they get 100 points for that donation (minimum) + 50 priority points for Kinnick Society level (150 + 100 for Gold). With other various points added in they are automatically above the level that has been most cited on here, or well above the level. So, the people who can get 8 tickets will get 8 tickets. The people with a BAZILLION priority points but low donation will only get 2.

Exactly what I have said all along is true and correct.

 

[theIowaHawk]

So if I donate $20,000 I can get 8 tickets and I have season tickets I can get two more for 10 total? Just kidding on that, this has been fun

You would have needed your donation in before the cutoff in June sometime, and you would get 8 tickets. You would have gotten 8 tickets because you basically "spent" $2,685/ticket. 83hawk believes that he should get those tickets from you instead, and to get them for only $185.

 

[83Hawk]

See, again, you are claiming I am wrong. You are responding to this:



Which is, of course, true. You keep saying it is wrong .... and then you claim you don't say it is wrong.

I've laid this out extremely simply, with specific scenarios. To try again: If a person is allowed to get 8 tickets, they are getting 8 tickets regardless. That means they donated $10,000+ this year. Even presuming they never made a donation before this year and this was their very first year of tickets they get 100 points for that donation (minimum) + 50 priority points for Kinnick Society level (150 + 100 for Gold). With other various points added in they are automatically above the level that has been most cited on here, or well above the level. So, the people who can get 8 tickets will get 8 tickets. The people with a BAZILLION priority points but low donation will only get 2.

Exactly what I have said all along is true and correct.

Whaaaaat? Nice try but still epic fail. I was never responding to "priority points have no bearing on one's ability to get more than 2 tickets, precisely what I've said since page one". Never, not once. Again...you are just making things up which is par for the course for you. What you are wrong about, is trying to imply priority has no bearing in getting tickets, which is flat-out wrong.

I've only discussed 2 things in this thread:

1. Season ticket holders should have first chance at bowl tickets.
2. Priority is a factor in getting tickets. This is STRAIGHT from the University. It is a FACT. You do realize within each I Club level, ticket requests are handled base on PRIORITY? Apparently not. Again...if you want to argue that, try calling the ticket office and telling them no priority is involved.

The whole "ability to get more than 2 tickets" whining is coming entirely from you. I only used ticket amounts, such as 8, only in the context that they could be tying up tickets in excess of the number of season tickets they have, thus preventing other season ticket holders from getting any. Unfortunately you are incapable of following that.

Since you like numbers so much, let me spell it out so even you can understand.....

Say there are 1000 top level I-Club members, who own a total of 2000 season tickets. Say they request the maximum of 8 bowl tickets each. That makes 8000. If they were only allowed to request a number equal to their season tickets, that would be 2000, thus allowing an extra 6000 to filter down to the lower levels. This is basically what I was advocating since page 1 of this thread.

If there are still tickets available after all season ticket holders have had a chance to buy, then you go thru the process again and the top levels can then buy more.

And what happens when you get to the point where, for example, there are only 1000 tickets left but 2000 requests (at whatever I-Club level the process is currently at)? Wait for it...........the remaining tickets are allocated by PRIORITY. See how that works? Not so hard, is it?

You are the one who derailed the discussion talking about different I-Club levels, ability to buy more tickets, etc. That really has nothing to do with THE BIG PICTURE of what I was talking about.

You're welcome.

 

[83Hawk]

83hawk believes that he should get those tickets from you instead, and to get them for only $185.

Intentional misrepresentation. Typical from you. But not surprising.

 

[theIowaHawk]

No, you are still wrong, no matter how many words you added to it. It starts with priority...not priority within each I-Club level.

A person with a Bazillion points will get his tickets first, be it 2 or 8 depending on his donation level. They aren't moving from donation level to donation level. That is your misunderstanding.

What you seem to be ignoring is that amount of priority points one necessarily obtains by donating at a high level.

You have called my posts "wrong" on multiple occasions, with nothing in my posts being inaccurate. I never said "no priority is involved", priority is just to determine if YES you get tickets or NO. It has no bearing on the amount of tickets you get. Seriously, this was succinctly detailed in a previous post.

 

[gablefan73]

Season ticket holders...I don't care how many priority points...should only be allowed the same number of bowl tickets as they have season tickets. If there are any left over, fine, but all season ticket holders should have a reasonable chance to attend the bowl game.

I have no doubt that a significant portion of the tickets will be purchased to sell to friends/family...many of whom didn't set foot in Kinnick once this season (or possibly many seasons). So....despite having tickets for 13 years, I could get edged out by someone's brother in law who has never been to Kinnick in their life.

I have no problem with that. I have 12 season tickets and can only get 4 RB tickets.

 

[doughudd]

Saw it tweeted earlier by Chad Leistekow (sp?) that the University says they've received requests for 43k tickets of the 22k allotment so far, with 24 hours left for season ticket holders to put in requests.

If Stanford doesn't sell theirs, they may get a few more, but I'm guessing plenty of Hawk fans will call up the Stanford ticket office before that happens.

The 16th they will know how many additional tickets they could get. Also the quantity each level receives could be reduced.

 

[doughudd]

My main issue is the priority point format. It seems to me 3pts/year of tickets is low (especially when consecutive years is meaningless). Next, 20 points for a letter winner is very "meh" (also I think it is strange that it applies to every sport, seems football letter winners should receive some type of bonus). Finally, in years like this many are frustrated because of all the people that haven't renewed recently, yet are jumping ahead of others for bowl game tickets.

I don't know how to reformat it, but those seem to be the main areas where people take issue. That being said, the almighty dollar rules all. I probably would have upped my ticket donation level years ago had I realized how low I was on the totem pole. Nobody's fault but my own. Now I'll probably just have to spend the "donation" money on secondary market tickets. Oh well...

I don't have any issues with it.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Say there are 1000 top level I-Club members, who own a total of 2000 season tickets.

You keep making this baseless presumption. In order to be in the top "1,000" those people have either a) donated a large amount of money or b) bought a lot of tickets for a long time (and various other possibilites)

You keep presuming that the people who can get 8 tickets have 2 seats, and I have no idea where you are believing that. Just as likely those people have 8+ seats to begin with .... therefore they would take up even more seats than you are crowing about, leaving even less for the little guys.

 

[83Hawk]

No, you are still wrong, no matter how many words you added to it. It starts with priority...not priority within each I-Club level.

A person with a Bazillion points will get his tickets first, be it 2 or 8 depending on his donation level. They aren't moving from donation level to donation level. That is your misunderstanding.

What you seem to be ignoring is that amount of priority points one necessarily obtains by donating at a high level.

You have called my posts "wrong" on multiple occasions, with nothing in my posts being inaccurate. I never said "no priority is involved", priority is just to determine if YES you get tickets (which is what I've been saying all along) or NO. It has no bearing on the amount of tickets you get (which is what you keep harping on). Seriously, this was succinctly detailed in a previous post.

Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System I have quoted this several times, not sure why you refused to acknowledge it before. You are the one who veered off talking about donation levels, more than 2 tickets, etc, not me. Requests will be honored based on the Priority Points System It appears you are finally starting to "get it". Good for you!

You're welcome.

 

[83Hawk]

You keep making this baseless presumption. In order to be in the top "1,000" those people have either a) donated a large amount of money or b) bought a lot of tickets for a long time (and various other possibilites)

You keep presuming that the people who can get 8 tickets have 2 seats, and I have no idea where you are believing that. Just as likely those people have 8+ seats to begin with .... therefore they would take up even more seats than you are crowing about, leaving even less for the little guys.

It is just an EXAMPLE for illustration purposes. Cripes....are you really that slow?

 

[theIowaHawk]

It is just an EXAMPLE for illustration purposes. Cripes....are you really that slow?

It isn't an example, it is precisely what you've complained about all along: That those big priority point guys are stealing from the little guys who actually went! That is exactly your complaint you've made redundantly since page 2.

But your proposal might even be worse for the little guys, exactly what I've said since you brought it up.

 

[83Hawk]

It isn't an example, it is precisely what you've complained about all along: That those big priority point guys are stealing from the little guys who actually went! That is exactly your complaint you've made redundantly since page 2.

But your proposal might even be worse for the little guys, exactly what I've said since you brought it up.

It most certainly is an example. You are being intentionally antagonistic.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Does bring a few interesting questions to mind:

How many single-seat season ticket holders are there?
How many 2-seat?
4-seat?
10-seat?
etc?

They must have that information readily available, wonder if it has ever been reported. Obviously the vast majority would be 2. My guess is second most would be 4. In order to sit together it is much easier to have one account do the purchasing, which leads to big seat number orders.

 

[gablefan73]

It most certainly is an example. You are being intentionally antagonistic.

I have no dog in this fight but I think your request that you should get the exact number of seats as you have season tickets would be even worse for the low point people. I could get 12 tickets and I am not in the Kinnick Society. I would guess most of the 10k donors have at least 4 seats.

 

[83Hawk]

I have no dog in this fight but I think your request that you should get the exact number of seats as you have season tickets would be even worse for the low point people. I could get 12 tickets and I am not in the Kinnick Society. I would guess most of the 10k donors have at least 4 seats.

That is entirely possible. It would depend on how many season tickets the high priority folks have. Obviously many only have 2. Many have more.

It would be interesting to see just what the breakdown is. If it would turn out limiting bowl tickets to season tickets would hurt lower priority people, then I would obviously NOT be in favor of that! My hope is that as many season ticket holders as possible are able to buy tickets...no matter what system is used!

 

[83Hawk]

Does bring a few interesting questions to mind:

How many single-seat season ticket holders are there?
How many 2-seat?
4-seat?
10-seat?
etc?

They must have that information readily available, wonder if it has ever been reported. Obviously the vast majority would be 2. My guess is second most would be 4. In order to sit together it is much easier to have one account do the purchasing, which leads to big seat number orders.

Yes, it would be interesting to know. It could very well be the option I proposed would hurt low priority folks even more, and I wouldn't want that. I just want as many season ticket holders to be able to buy a bowl ticket as possible. No matter what system is used! I think that is something all Hawk fans can agree on!

 

[parker01]

There are going to be a lot less season ticket holders left in the cold than we all thought if the DMR report is accurate. Only 2500 people left out means the cutoff will be much lower than 150 imo. I know more people under that mark than over. Much more.

 

[theIowaHawk]

There are going to be a lot less season ticket holders left in the cold than we all thought if the DMR report is accurate. Only 2500 people left out means the cutoff will be much lower than 150 imo. I know more people under that mark than over. Much more.

The curve for priority points would be interesting. There has to be a huge clump between, say, 20 - 80 and another one between that and 150. As it goes up the list must shrink greatly.

If the Rose Bowl just gives Iowa more tickets it could be fairly easily resolved ------ for season ticket holders/ I-Club members. The rest are shit out of luck either way (serves you right!)

 

[hawkedoff]

I think it funny that anyone would think that someone that has donated millions to the athletic department won't be sitting wherever they want at the Rose bowl. They wouldn't even need to be current season ticket holders. Welcome to reality

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

"What we really want to do is help as many season ticket holders as we can," she told the Register on Wednesday.

That's going to be difficult, too. As of Wednesday, around 24,500 ticket requests had come in from season ticket holders, student season ticket holders, I-Club members and UI officials. There's time for that number to grow, too.

"It's a moving target," Finke said.

The 18,400 other applicants as of Wednesday -- alumni, non-season ticket holders -- will likely need to explore other options. However, Finke was hopeful that the Rose Bowl would provide additional tickets. She won't know if or how many until this weekend.

"I don't know how many more they would offer to us," she said. "The ideal situation, they would offer us enough ... to take care of all our season folks."

 

[CLUB215]

83Hawk having problems understanding simple concepts ITT

 

[83Hawk]

83Hawk having problems understanding simple concepts ITT

Hardly.

 

[EndzoneSeat]

Could you two just give it a rest?

 

[83Hawk]

Could you two just give it a rest?

I believe theiowahawk and I have moved on. Club215 is a little late to the party.

But I agree....this has been beat to death and it is time to give it a rest.

I think though, it would be a good idea if those who put in for tickets that have less than 150 priority points check in on Monday:
1. List # of points.
2. Note I-Club/giving level.
3. Indicate whether you got tickets or not.

That way, we can get a general idea of where the cutoff was, and have a little fun in the process.

 

[sultanofsuede]

season ticket holder here, with pretty small priority points (i think i'm at 29 or 30). so, do i have reason to be optimistic for 2 tix??

 

[83Hawk]

season ticket holder here, with pretty small priority points (i think i'm at 29 or 30). so, do i have reason to be optimistic for 2 tix??

Hard to say. Depending on the number of requests they get today, things don't look as bad as they did earlier, since a hefty percentage of the requests were from "the general public" so to speak. I am guessing the vast majority of season ticket holders will get tickets.

I hope you get your tickets, sultan....because that would me I will too!