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Iowa's Receivers - Wow!

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What about the Iowa Receiving Corp this year! These guys are catching everything in sight. Unbelievable across the board. I don't know how many dropped passes there have been thru 4 games, but its a darn small number (probably a record of some sort). The dropped balls have been at epidemic level for years.

Even on CJ's "bad" throws, these guys are hauling them in. Great Job.
 
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It was good to see the receivers make plays with their feet on the quick hitch, even if it was just North Texas. Forcing the CBs to tighten up can help open up the vertical passing game.
 
McCarron dropped two 3rd down passes that would have been good for a first down in the Iowa St. game. I can't remember any other key drops thus far. They've been solid for the most part.
 
What about the Iowa Receiving Corp this year! These guys are catching everything in sight. Unbelievable across the board. I don't know how many dropped passes there have been thru 4 games, but its a darn small number (probably a record of some sort). The dropped balls have been at epidemic level for years.

Even on CJ's "bad" throws, these guys are hauling them in. Great Job.
I was thinking the same thing today. They have been pretty reliable this year. Overall, a good job by the Hawks!
 
What about the Iowa Receiving Corp this year! These guys are catching everything in sight. Unbelievable across the board. I don't know how many dropped passes there have been thru 4 games, but its a darn small number (probably a record of some sort). The dropped balls have been at epidemic level for years.

Even on CJ's "bad" throws, these guys are hauling them in. Great Job.
Since these are pretty much the same guys as last year minus Manley I have to believe it has to do something with CJ just getting the ball there quicker. Ruddock is pretty accurate but he doesn't put as much mustard on the ball. The receivers can hear footsteps, take their eye off to look up field when the ball is hanging ect. With CJ it's getting there in a hurry.....
 
Smith had the best hands I've seen in all my years watching Hawkeye football. The guy makes every catch. He hasn't had some of the spectacular catches that Marvin had, but MM dropped a few easy ones at times. I dint recall TS dropping anything.
 
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Since these are pretty much the same guys as last year minus Manley I have to believe it has to do something with CJ just getting the ball there quicker. Ruddock is pretty accurate but he doesn't put as much mustard on the ball. The receivers can hear footsteps, take their eye off to look up field when the ball is hanging ect. With CJ it's getting there in a hurry.....

This. Cannot understate how much CJ helps and it doesn't take anything away from that group.
 
Since these are pretty much the same guys as last year minus Manley I have to believe it has to do something with CJ just getting the ball there quicker. Ruddock is pretty accurate but he doesn't put as much mustard on the ball. The receivers can hear footsteps, take their eye off to look up field when the ball is hanging ect. With CJ it's getting there in a hurry.....
Hillyer made two awesome grabs that were low or off target, Kittle with a nice over the shoulder job and Smith heading out of bounds snaring it. I'm just astounded how these guys are pulling them in. Guess that's why Mitchell is a running back now!;) (and he looked pretty good back there for the little time he got - Edit: except for the delayed pitch and fumble on the reverse - that was bad, really bad )
 
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There is no doubt, despite the head coach's stubborn reluctance to admit it, that virtually every aspect of Iowa football has improved exponentially for one fundamental reason: CJ Beathard. Period.

I, too, have noted that the butter-fingered Iowa receivers suddenly have grown 5 years in 5 months as well. Must be the coaching. LOL As most people not named KF know, it's all about the QB, stupid. Beathard not only has tremendous physical talent, he's proven his football IQ is brilliant, and that he is an awesome leader. No wonder KF kept saying that JR was the starter the last two years because he "gives us the best chance to win." HAHAHAHAHA

If the new KF can keep from getting in his own way, with this schedule and at the direction of this QB, Iowa could have an amazing season.

Or maybe all this success so far is just a coincidence. Maybe CJ really has suddenly blossomed, improving "five years in five months" when football was out of season. Maybe the coaches suddenly learned how to teach receivers to catch. And maybe Martians will land at midfield in Kinnick for Homecoming. LOL
 
Since these are pretty much the same guys as last year minus Manley I have to believe it has to do something with CJ just getting the ball there quicker. Ruddock is pretty accurate but he doesn't put as much mustard on the ball. The receivers can hear footsteps, take their eye off to look up field when the ball is hanging ect. With CJ it's getting there in a hurry.....

So how does one explain why there were 8 dropped passes in CJ's only start last year?

CJ is playing great, but I don't think he is the reason the receivers are having fewer dropped passes this year.
 
There is no doubt, despite the head coach's stubborn reluctance to admit it, that virtually every aspect of Iowa football has improved exponentially for one fundamental reason: CJ Beathard. Period.

I, too, have noted that the butter-fingered Iowa receivers suddenly have grown 5 years in 5 months as well. Must be the coaching. LOL As most people not named KF know, it's all about the QB, stupid. Beathard not only has tremendous physical talent, he's proven his football IQ is brilliant, and that he is an awesome leader. No wonder KF kept saying that JR was the starter the last two years because he "gives us the best chance to win." HAHAHAHAHA

If the new KF can keep from getting in his own way, with this schedule and at the direction of this QB, Iowa could have an amazing season.

Or maybe all this success so far is just a coincidence. Maybe CJ really has suddenly blossomed, improving "five years in five months" when football was out of season. Maybe the coaches suddenly learned how to teach receivers to catch. And maybe Martians will land at midfield in Kinnick for Homecoming. LOL

CJ is spreading the ball around and not locking in on single routes; receivers are catching 'tough' balls better than past seasons.

I posted in another thread a week ago, regarding the improvement CJ made in the offseason; if you look at his QB ratings in starts last year vs. Rudock, they are really not all that good. His numbers are SUBSTANTIALLY better this year, perhaps due to more reps, but the claim that he made gigantic strides in the offseason is at least supported by some objective numbers.

It is obvious that he is a good 'field general', and perhaps 'ups' the games of those around him. You play how you practice, and he may hold people accountable during practice to run routes correctly, pay attention to where he is running under pressure and break off routes when they see man coverage or blitzes.

Football is not about just 'running the play called' it's also about reacting to the defensive scheme in that first second you're running your routes/assignments and recognizing you need to make an adjustment. When the whole team recognizes correctly, you make big gains; when they don't, you get turnovers and big losses. I suspect Beathard is very good at recognizing this...he has made very few 'risky' passes/plays, and has a knack for finding open guys.

In contrast (not to pile on -pylon- Rudock), but on Michigan's very first play from scrimmage yesterday, a BYU corner fell down, leaving a WR wide open for a long TD on a fairly short pass. Rudock totally missed that, and threw a short pass for either no gain or it was incomplete to the 'under' receiver. CJ seems to see the field better, as Rudock was clearly focused on the 'out route' with the 'over' receiver taking the CB long to open up the flat. But he was too mechanical/pre-determined in the play so he missed the easy TD; it was somewhat baffling, because it was on the same side of the field and even the camera man was following the wide open WR long - they had to show the actual pass on replay because the pass was out of camera view.
 
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Just read KF's interview. It's like pulling teeth to get him to give much credit to CJ. Of course his big line is how he grew 5 years in a few months. Could never admit that he started the wrong guy last year.
That could be to keep him grounded mentally. I'm obviously not in Kirks head but that could be a reason. Pretty easy to get cocky being a starter on a 4-0 team for a major program.
 
Aren't these the same receivers that people on this board were saying are terrible just a few weeks ago? The ones that should not have even been on the same field as the Iowa State receivers? I must have logged onto the wrong board today. Sorry.......BTW, I also gotta laugh at the people here who are more pissy that Kirk hasn't apologised about CJ. I did not know it was his job to kiss rival members asses. I am just glad he made the right decision on his QB at the end of last season.
 
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I couldn't be happier for JR up at Michigan and I hope they continue to have a good season. How anyone can still argue that JR should have started over CJB is beyond me. Part of CJ looking better this year compared to his start last year is that he is getting QB1 reps in practice. This makes a world of difference for the QB and the WR's.It has to be a little like (exaggeration here) going from catching a change-up to a 90 mph fastball. The ball is getting to them faster and they are now use to that as opposed to last year when he would come in and the ball would be on top of them sooner than they were use to. I don't expect KF to ever come out and say that he should have gone with CJB last year, but it should be evident to everyone watching.
 
Just read KF's interview. It's like pulling teeth to get him to give much credit to CJ. Of course his big line is how he grew 5 years in a few months. Could never admit that he started the wrong guy last year.
This!!
 
It was a very well coached game, albeit against a very weak adversary. The receivers are a work in progress to be sure. Yesterday was a nice step forward. Maybe that confidence will make them less tentative in the future.
 
Just read KF's interview. It's like pulling teeth to get him to give much credit to CJ. Of course his big line is how he grew 5 years in a few months. Could never admit that he started the wrong guy last year.
Not at all true ... he was very effusive with praise about Beathard after the Pitt game.

Given that the team has to be focussed given the challenge at hand for next saturday (facing Wisconsin), I can understand why he might dial praise back a little pick after the North Texas game. After all, Ferentz realizes that they beat a team that was severely overmatched.

Beathard has been playing well ... but he still has plenty of room for improvement. Let's hope that he makes the necessary improvements. If he does ... then this season REALLY CAN be as special as it seems.
 
The WRs and Beathard seem to be increasingly on the same page. Recall last year when Willies failed to see the same things as Beathard on the misses on the quick pass to the edge? Beathard saw that the defender was playing off, recognized it accordingly, but Willies failed to read it correctly. It's nice to see that the QB and the WRs are "seeing the same thing."

It was really valuable adding McCarron to the mix. Not only does it build his confidence and works him into the O more - but it gives opposing Ds more things to consider. Furthermore, it was nice having BOTH Kittle and Krieger-Coble getting targets ... yet more receiving targets that require consideration.

Add Duzey to the mix ... and get Daniels and Mitchell back to 100% ... and we're looking at an O that might actually have some firepower.
 
So how does one explain why there were 8 dropped passes in CJ's only start last year?

CJ is playing great, but I don't think he is the reason the receivers are having fewer dropped passes this year.
You do realize those receivers spent all off season and the first games taking passes from Jake. This year CJ has gotten all of the number 1 reps. On second thought you probably don't :rolleyes:
 
Who is arguing Rudock should've been the starter? This thread is literally a bunch of dink-dinks arguing against thin air that cjb should've started.

Oh there's some zealots on here that will defend the decision to keep JR as the starter.

They can't except that a coach make this big of a judgment error.
 
Oh there's some zealots on here that will defend the decision to keep JR as the starter.

They can't except that a coach make this big of a judgment error.
The problem is that the issue isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think. There are more variables at play than you are considering. For instance, the classical one that fans rarely seem to acknowledge is that college players ACTUALLY IMPROVE through their careers. In this case, it's an instance of Rudock stagnating, whereas Beathard is the guy who continued to improve.

While few Hawk fans seem willing to admit it, it is well within the realm of possibility that Beathard has made significant strides over the past year and is a far better player than he was last year. It's possible that Beathard may have been less mature last year and more mature this year. He may have been more a divisive (or polarizing) figure on the team last year ... and more of rallying figure this year.

Frankly, the very fact that Rudock transferred over to Michigan and won the starting spot shows that last year the coaches had the very difficult position of having 2 starter-quality QBs on the squad.
 
You do realize those receivers spent all off season and the first games taking passes from Jake. This year CJ has gotten all of the number 1 reps. On second thought you probably don't :rolleyes:

I just find it amazing how much criticism people can create for Rudock and how much praise they can create for Beathard.

Again, I will preface this with saying that I absolutely believe CJ is the better QB, and I was in favor of starting him last season.

With that said, one of the responses received when pointing out that Rudock's stats last year were actually slightly better than CJ's was that the WR's dropped a lot of CJ's passes which hurt his stats. That is a true statement, and dropped passes need to be factored when evaluating a QB. However, Rudock had the same WR's dropping the same passes last year, and in fact Powell dropped what should have been a touchdown and somehow managed to tip it towards a defender which resulting in an interception for Rudock - however, many do not want to acknowledge such excuses for Rudock and only acknowledge these excuses for CJ.

I thought the inconsistency in evaluating dropped passes would stop at only excusing CJ's stats for dropped passes, but now I have learned in this thread that it was actually Rudock's fault last year that so many WR's dropped passes. In fact, Rudock was so bad that he actually caused WR's to drop passes when he wasn't even throwing them the ball. And now this year our WR's have improved, not because of the hard work they have put in during the offseason, but because Rudock is finally gone from the team.

I simply don't understand why so many Iowa fans hate Rudock. Even when I say that CJ is better and should have been starting last year, I receive a lot of backlash when I say Rudock was actually a good QB. I don't understand why that is such a controversial statement. He had a productive two years as the starter at Iowa. The team results were mediocre, and yeah some of that was Jake's fault, but overall he was a solid QB.
 
Smith had the best hands I've seen in all my years watching Hawkeye football. The guy makes every catch. He hasn't had some of the spectacular catches that Marvin had, but MM dropped a few easy ones at times. I dint recall TS dropping anything.

I cant remember who, maybe it was Hawkeye Game Film (not positive on who) guy on Twitter that said he watched film on every Iowa game and Tevaun Smith did not have a single drop last year. Cannot find it now, but read that before week one.

And I think Hillyer is under appreciated. Guy has had some really big 3rd down catches the last couple years. Yes, he isn't flashy and isn't a great receiver but he makes the plays when his number is called.
 
I simply don't understand why so many Iowa fans hate Rudock. Even when I say that CJ is better and should have been starting last year, I receive a lot of backlash when I say Rudock was actually a good QB. I don't understand why that is such a controversial statement. He had a productive two years as the starter at Iowa. The team results were mediocre, and yeah some of that was Jake's fault, but overall he was a solid QB.
The truth of the matter is that the "hate" is implicitly directed more at Ferentz. The term fan is derived "fanatic" ... and many fanatical Hawkeyes have been experiencing emotional upheaval because their beloved Hawks have been, in their perception, rather mediocre. They don't want the Hawks to define some sort of Mendoza-line, they want the Hawks to join the new elite. Their concern is that the Hawks were taking more backward steps than forward steps. That prompted many of them to blame Ferentz for the perceived backward steps.

Thus, Ferentz's perceived unwillingness to let Beathard start over Rudock was one "insult" too many. Obviously (and I mean that sarcastically) had Beathard started last year, the Hawks would have fared much better last year. Thus, Ferentz's actions explicitly undermined what they (some of the fanatical Hawkeyes) wanted for their beloved Hawks. Such fans want/wanted Ferentz gone for what they honestly believed was the good of the team. Thus, Rudock was a symbol ... and that is why their "hate" was directed his way.
 
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Can you guys believe how much King has improved at punt and kick returner in the offseason? He obviously wasn't our best returner last year or he would have been returning the ball. Right?



Mitch would have been a beast returner.
 
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Can you guys believe how much Mitch King has improved at punt and kick returner in the offseason? He obviously wasn't our best returner last year or he would have been returning the ball. Right?
LOL! I bet that ole' Mitch would have loved to return kicks ... it would have reminded him of his running back days!
 
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Smith had the best hands I've seen in all my years watching Hawkeye football. The guy makes every catch. He hasn't had some of the spectacular catches that Marvin had, but MM dropped a few easy ones at times. I dint recall TS dropping anything.
Yep. Following @hawkeyegamefilm on twitter Smith was one of two in the B1G last year with zero drops in fifty or more targets.
 
Smith had the best hands I've seen in all my years watching Hawkeye football. The guy makes every catch. He hasn't had some of the spectacular catches that Marvin had, but MM dropped a few easy ones at times. I dint recall TS dropping anything.
He was one of a few guys last year with 75 targets and zero drops. I don't believe he has a drop this year either. That would make at least 17 strait games without a drop.
 
There is no doubt, despite the head coach's stubborn reluctance to admit it, that virtually every aspect of Iowa football has improved exponentially for one fundamental reason: CJ Beathard. Period.

I, too, have noted that the butter-fingered Iowa receivers suddenly have grown 5 years in 5 months as well. Must be the coaching. LOL As most people not named KF know, it's all about the QB, stupid. Beathard not only has tremendous physical talent, he's proven his football IQ is brilliant, and that he is an awesome leader. No wonder KF kept saying that JR was the starter the last two years because he "gives us the best chance to win." HAHAHAHAHA

If the new KF can keep from getting in his own way, with this schedule and at the direction of this QB, Iowa could have an amazing season.

Or maybe all this success so far is just a coincidence. Maybe CJ really has suddenly blossomed, improving "five years in five months" when football was out of season. Maybe the coaches suddenly learned how to teach receivers to catch. And maybe Martians will land at midfield in Kinnick for Homecoming. LOL
Did you even watch CJ last year? He was an average QB. You can't tell he's improved dramatically or do you just want to stir the pot?
 
Wow! Awesome messages to read. I am very impressed with the thoughts and expressions provided in this thread. Much thought and deep thinking is showing up on this thread. Isn't it great having the opportunity to share your views on this site ( and others )? Having said that, I think about the Hawkeyes football team often and this year, with some smiles and feel-good moments!
Regarding CJ and the receivers, Canzeri included, my conclusion at this point, is much like others. Jake tried hard and still does for Michigan. Good for him. CJ is trying his hardest also. CJ is gutsy, tough, and very accurate. Why our receivers are doing well? Hard work, off-season work with CJ, chemistry, another year of experience, ball gets to them quicker, better concentration, and will and promise to be better this year. Some posters may have other information and ideas, but hasn't it been fun watching our team so far this year? Will we win every game? Hard to say, but I think Iowa will be competitive and make us proud. The defense and special teams look solid and prepared for the big ten season also. What a time to be a Hawkeye and happy for our team! Go Hawks!!!
 
The problem is that the issue isn't as clear-cut as you seem to think. There are more variables at play than you are considering. For instance, the classical one that fans rarely seem to acknowledge is that college players ACTUALLY IMPROVE through their careers. In this case, it's an instance of Rudock stagnating, whereas Beathard is the guy who continued to improve.

While few Hawk fans seem willing to admit it, it is well within the realm of possibility that Beathard has made significant strides over the past year and is a far better player than he was last year. It's possible that Beathard may have been less mature last year and more mature this year. He may have been more a divisive (or polarizing) figure on the team last year ... and more of rallying figure this year.

Frankly, the very fact that Rudock transferred over to Michigan and won the starting spot shows that last year the coaches had the very difficult position of having 2 starter-quality QBs on the squad.

I'm very much in agreement with the other posters pointing out here that:

A) Both CJ and JR were 'starter quality' QBs last year, AND both are this year.
B) CJ's numbers were not all that great last year (marginally lower than but comparable to JR's) and he HAS made significant improvement to his game this year (that can be easily seen looking at his QB ratings in starts last yr vs this yr).
C) JR 'won' the starting job at Michigan, with a former NFL head coach and big-name college QB as the head of that program - if JR wasn't clearly the best option for them to win now, it's guaranteed that Harbaugh would bench him and start playing his younger guys, planning for next year. JH thinks he can win THIS year with JR as his QB - end of argument (if he benches Rudock for his younger guys, we can have the discussion about JRs capability as a starter, but he's 3-1 right now for a near-Top-25 team).

That said, CJ busted his ass TRYING to win the starting job from JR - he didn't just sit back and get comfortable as the #2- he WANTED the #1 job and was willing to work hard to show the coaches he deserved it. And he eventually DID that. His work ethic and willingness to be a team player while busting his butt to improve his own game is something that gets infectious among teams - the higher level of play you are seeing from receivers is due to that mentality and work ethic. And that is probably something else Ferentz and the coaches saw in him. CJ expects our wides and TEs to catch the ball if he delivers it close to them - he expects them to make adjustments on the ball to get to it - he expects them to fight the DBs to 'win' the ball when he threads too narrow a window. And they've also bought into the work ethic and that fight to win every ball. That's probably why they are dropping fewer passes - they've put in the work, too, to catch 100% of what comes within arm's reach of them.

I think CJ is demonstrating he may be a better team leader and uniter than JR was, but Jake is not a slouch as a QB - making it as a starter for 2 major college FB programs is nothing to sneer at. I love seeing Michigan lose, but I don't root against Rudock, because he busted his ass for the Hawks, too, when he was here. I do think CJ has a higher ceiling that Rudock, but we'll see as this year plays out.
 
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