Is changing the coach really the answer?

[Eternal Return]

Iowa was 8-0 that year but didn't play OSU who shared the B1G title with us and who won the national championship that year.

I know, but the previous post said Iowa went unbeaten in the conference only after the conference was split into two divisions. That wasn't the case. And, frankly, Ohio State was lucky it didn't have to play Iowa in 2002. They would have lost. USC was definitely the best team in the country that year, better than Miami and Ohio State (it was the beginning of their mini-dynasty). 2002 is probably the only year I think Iowa would have definitely won. 2004 was a beatdown shocker (I was at the game--it was awesome), but in no other season outside of 1985 and 1997 did I feel like Iowa would win going into the game against OSU. 2002, though? That team was easily Ferentz's best and one of the all-time best in Iowa history. The 2015 team? Best in terms of record, but they would have lost to the 2002-2004 teams and the 2008-2010 teams. IMO.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Just looking back at your last 20 posts or so...
"Our whole football program?"
"Still playing that card eh? Still fail to see the product the team and coaches put on the field was trash?"
"Less Miles got fired after posting a 114-34(.770) record in 11 years. Kirk Ferentz is 219-130 (.594) and we give him an extension!"

I'm sure everything you said before that was awesome though.

 

[sijoint]

Comments like this just scream "Athletic Dept. Message board plant/mole or KF kin" What the hell do you think is working? Our D-Line...nope, our O-Line...nope, our LB's...nope, our DB's...nope, our QB...nope, our playcalling...nope, our clock management...nope, our discipline...nope, our passing game...nope, our running game...maybe, our ST's...yes!!!! OMG that's it, our special teams is working!!! Great success, coach! sign here please

No comment on the strength and conditioning level of the athletes? Oh wait, that must be going well, ........ extended support/praise, huge raise, new equipment, new facilities and accolades from the athletic director.
All these improvements.....everything is going well...exception, the football team is doing poorly. Perplexing

 

[Vroom_C14]

Didn't post to get into an argument, but rather because I found the article to be enlightening. Did you read the article?

Basically, the authors have found through actual data that if you are a "bad team", changing your coach didn’t make a difference. And if you are “not bad,” a new coach usually makes things worse and in many cases considerably worse.

That's just it - we aren't a bad team. We are getting out coached in nearly every aspect... This team is not that far off (personnel wise) from last year... yet we have been out matched and coached in the past 3 games, including the Rutgers win (they lot their best player early).

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

Just looking back at your last 20 posts or so...
"Our whole football program?"
"Still playing that card eh? Still fail to see the product the team and coaches put on the field was trash?"
"Less Miles got fired after posting a 114-34(.770) record in 11 years. Kirk Ferentz is 219-130 (.594) and we give him an extension!"

I'm sure everything you said before that was awesome though.

3 posts out of 20. Not bad.

 

[BigRedFlood]

Seriously, IOWA is a proven WINNER.

Anyone who cannot see that is ignoring reality. Iowa was 12-0 last year, JUST LAST YEAR, in the regular season. Coach Ferentz didn't suddenly forget how to do that. Was he handsomely rewarded for that? Yes, of course. As he should be. That was a magnificent season. Not many teams can go UNDEFEATED. And Iowa did so under Coach Ferentz. You'd have to be a fool to think of changing now.

Kirk Ferentz is also a good man, a maker of men, turning young boys into men, and is a good spokesman for Iowa as a state.

Kirk will turn this around. He just needs a little more time. By the end of the year most of you will be eating your hats. He knows what he is doing, evident if you paid attention last year.

He is a great coach, as proven by his wonderful contract extensions. A poor coach would not be repeatedly extended in his contract, which proves Mr. Ferentz is a great coach.

 

[who r u]

I know, but the previous post said Iowa went unbeaten in the conference only after the conference was split into two divisions. That wasn't the case.

the previous post doesnt say this at all.

he is also the only coach in iowa football history to coach in a split B1G conference. it makes it a little easier to win all of your conference games when you arent facing the best in the conference. i also wouldnt consider iowa as undefeated in the B1G last year since they lost to msu.



im sorry if i didnt express my thoughts in a more plain and understandable way. ill try again, A KF coached iowa team has never been considered the best team in the B1G. in todays ncaaf of losing record bowl teams, and split conferences it makes it easy for coaches to pad their resume. comparing the B1G of old to the B1G of today is futile because they are not the same.

im glad you feel iowa would have beaten the o$u team that won the ncaa title, i happen to disagree with you. i would guess that most people would agree with me, but thats just my guess.

 

[Gridiron24]

It's the talent level.

Look at the guys playing on our offensive line. Daniels is the only NFL talent there. Some years we have had 2 or 3 NFL players on our line. And it isn't just coaching there - the guys aren't big enough for the spots they are playing (i.e. guards playing tackle).

The defensive line isn't any better. Who are the stars on our D-line? Ekakitie is a nice guy, but he isn't anything special as a football player. Anthony Nelson looks good but he has had trouble keeping contain. Matt Nelson is so slooooow. He looks like he is running in mud when he moves. The other starting D-tackle is so anonymous I can't even name him off the top of my head.

The receivers aren't running good enough routes and are too slow to get open. Pass protection has been horrid, especially on the left side, but the receivers other than MVB haven't shown they are B1G players either. A lot of people can run fast, and a lot of people can catch a football, but there aren't a lot of great receivers out there. We don't have anybody other than injured MVB who can do both, apparently. Scheel looks good but he doesn't get much PT, whether its attitude, poor practice effort, or whatever.

In the secondary, we have some duds too. Miles Taylor misses Jordan Lomax in the back because Lomax would play center-field, allowing Taylor to make the big hits that are what he is good at. Brandon Snyder looks like another slow, token white Iowa safety, in the same mold as Tanner Miller, John Lowdermilk, etc. Those guys make our cornerbacks look bad because of their ineptness. I rode Mabin really hard last year, especially when he put in that piss-poor performance against Illinois. He's been solid this year, and with his physical measurables, he should get a sniff at an NFL roster. King has been amazing in special teams, but he hasn't made those "big plays" that put him on the national radar last season.

On the whole, we have some stars who will play on Sundays, but not nearly enough of them to field a great team... and I don't blame coaching for that.

 

[Eternal Return]

im glad you feel iowa would have beaten the o$u team that won the ncaa title, i happen to disagree with you. i would guess that most people would agree with me, but thats just my guess.

I know most Iowa fans would agree with me--I remember reading message boards and talking to fans that year and they all said the same thing, that it sucks that Iowa didn't play Ohio State that year. Nationally? Well, I'm sure most people thought Ohio State was better. But for those who watched each team play, Iowa was pretty clearly better; the one year I can honestly say that Iowa passed the "eyeball test" when compared to Ohio State.

 

[Stormn Norman]

Iowa was 8-0 that year but didn't play OSU who shared the B1G title with us and who won the national championship that year.

That's was an awesome yr! They way a Iowa stomped Michigan at the big house.. CLASSIC! Can we have Brad B back at QB again.. I don't know if the staff realizes this but when we have a mobile QB we are really good! If we are gonna keep running the same O we ran then and we are still running it now you'd think they get a QB in the model of a Brad Banks.. Last yr with CJ's mobility we saw what happend too..

 

[whatsup13579er]

It's the talent level.

Look at the guys playing on our offensive line. Daniels is the only NFL talent there. Some years we have had 2 or 3 NFL players on our line. And it isn't just coaching there - the guys aren't big enough for the spots they are playing (i.e. guards playing tackle).

The defensive line isn't any better. Who are the stars on our D-line? Ekakitie is a nice guy, but he isn't anything special as a football player. Anthony Nelson looks good but he has had trouble keeping contain. Matt Nelson is so slooooow. He looks like he is running in mud when he moves. The other starting D-tackle is so anonymous I can't even name him off the top of my head.

The receivers aren't running good enough routes and are too slow to get open. Pass protection has been horrid, especially on the left side, but the receivers other than MVB haven't shown they are B1G players either. A lot of people can run fast, and a lot of people can catch a football, but there aren't a lot of great receivers out there. We don't have anybody other than injured MVB who can do both, apparently. Scheel looks good but he doesn't get much PT, whether its attitude, poor practice effort, or whatever.

In the secondary, we have some duds too. Miles Taylor misses Jordan Lomax in the back because Lomax would play center-field, allowing Taylor to make the big hits that are what he is good at. Brandon Snyder looks like another slow, token white Iowa safety, in the same mold as Tanner Miller, John Lowdermilk, etc. Those guys make our cornerbacks look bad because of their ineptness. I rode Mabin really hard last year, especially when he put in that piss-poor performance against Illinois. He's been solid this year, and with his physical measurables, he should get a sniff at an NFL roster. King has been amazing in special teams, but he hasn't made those "big plays" that put him on the national radar last season.

On the whole, we have some stars who will play on Sundays, but not nearly enough of them to field a great team... and I don't blame coaching for that.

Daniels and Welsh are sure fire NFL guys. Boone has made great strides moving from T to G and should get a look.

Size isn't the problem. The Iowa OL from left to right is: 6-5 307 | 6-5 305 | 6-4 295 | 6-3 290 | 6-6 307. That is typically as big as an Iowa OL gets because they need to keep mobility in the zone run scheme. Brandon Scherff won the Outland Award and he was 6-5 315. The problem is that Ike and Cole have put on 80+ pounds to get to that size and they are likely maxed out.

Ekakitie is a backup.

McCarron had 8 catches for 78 yards filling in for MVB.

Brandon Snyder will be fine. We knew he would take his lumps this season. I expected Taylor to be better. They need to realize there is time and a place to go for the knockout hit and other times you need to wrap up and make the stop.

 

[Backinthe515]

It's the talent level.

Look at the guys playing on our offensive line. Daniels is the only NFL talent there. Some years we have had 2 or 3 NFL players on our line. And it isn't just coaching there - the guys aren't big enough for the spots they are playing (i.e. guards playing tackle).

The defensive line isn't any better. Who are the stars on our D-line? Ekakitie is a nice guy, but he isn't anything special as a football player. Anthony Nelson looks good but he has had trouble keeping contain. Matt Nelson is so slooooow. He looks like he is running in mud when he moves. The other starting D-tackle is so anonymous I can't even name him off the top of my head.

The receivers aren't running good enough routes and are too slow to get open. Pass protection has been horrid, especially on the left side, but the receivers other than MVB haven't shown they are B1G players either. A lot of people can run fast, and a lot of people can catch a football, but there aren't a lot of great receivers out there. We don't have anybody other than injured MVB who can do both, apparently. Scheel looks good but he doesn't get much PT, whether its attitude, poor practice effort, or whatever.

In the secondary, we have some duds too. Miles Taylor misses Jordan Lomax in the back because Lomax would play center-field, allowing Taylor to make the big hits that are what he is good at. Brandon Snyder looks like another slow, token white Iowa safety, in the same mold as Tanner Miller, John Lowdermilk, etc. Those guys make our cornerbacks look bad because of their ineptness. I rode Mabin really hard last year, especially when he put in that piss-poor performance against Illinois. He's been solid this year, and with his physical measurables, he should get a sniff at an NFL roster. King has been amazing in special teams, but he hasn't made those "big plays" that put him on the national radar last season.

On the whole, we have some stars who will play on Sundays, but not nearly enough of them to field a great team... and I don't blame coaching for that.

You had me right up until the last sentence. Great insight, however, who do you think recruited these players?

 

[relishingwinning18]

3 posts out of 20. Not bad.

Is it? The rest of your posts are acting like a tough guy to other posters. You're going to make an ugly girl happy some day with the standards you've set for yourself.

 

[anon_01irjibf16qqj]

Is it? The rest of your posts are acting like a tough guy to other posters. You're going to make an ugly girl happy some day with the standards you've set for yourself.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Coaching change is inevitable, even in the long term.
Seemingly very few coaching changes are relatively positive for both sides. Iowa's last football change wasn't as bad as most, i.e. firing after a bad season. But it wasn't great in that Hayden stuck around a couple of years too long and the program was on a slide. The hiring process was far from smooth as well(referring to how Stoops was dealt with).
I was hopeful that Iowa would buck the trend in 2010 and that KF would have left for the NFL following a New Year's day bowl win. Program in positive territory. Looked like a perfect transition time.
That window has passed.
KF isn't going anywhere.
My concern is that they have a worse outcome than the Hayden scenario this time. And that it will be a longer climb back for them.

 

[laidbackdude2011]

Yes

 

[illhawkdvv]

Your memory must be bad because I wasn't referring to last year as the undefeated big tern year. We were undefeated in 2002. The only team we didn't play that year was OSU which also went undefeated. In my opinion we would have won if we would have played because they struggled with almost all of the games. We buried Michigan at Michigan where OSU squeaked by. I know all of you young fans always want change but older fans like myself have seen what that breeds and once that ball gets rolling it can take the program down for decades. Ask Iowa State or many other programs. Not long ago I remember everyone calling for Mike Stoops at Kentucky because he could recruit much better than Kirk. Another coach is like the second string QB everyone thinks he can do better. Look I'm never completely sold on what KF does but I've been around long enough to realize he's a good organized coach that makes Iowa competitive in almost every game. Were in a recruiting area that makes that a year in and year out tough job. Don't preach to me that the school has spent so much money on facilities that he should be able to compete because almost every school has did as much or more.

 

[gohawkz]

Iowa went 8-0 in the B10 in 2002 under Ferentz before the conference was split.

REALLY??? I know you want to have Ferentz's babies but just stop posting. You suck at it. They didn't play Ohio State that year. They were kinda good...national championship and all.. Wowl.

 

[Eternal Return]

REALLY??? I know you want to have Ferentz's babies but just stop posting. You suck at it. They didn't play Ohio State that year. They were kinda good...national championship and all.. Wowl.

Did you read any of my other posts in this thread? Get over yourself, it's not like you contribute anything worth reading. My point was that Iowa went undefeated in the B10 in a year before the B10 split into divisions. And in posts after that I mentioned Iowa didn't play Ohio State and that I thought (and a lot of other fans too that year) that Ohio State was the team that got lucky by not having to play Iowa. And, again like I said in other posts, probably the only year I can remember feeling that way besides Chuck Long's senior year (when they lost) and in 1997 with Dwight and Banks (when they lost).

If you think I like what Ferentz is doing you are nuts. But I'm not "he's all bad/he's all good." It was time to make a change in coaches after 2012 and I definitely thought the recent extension was insane. Please don't confuse me trying to get the facts straight about previous years with me wishing Ferentz was still Iowa's coach. I've been ready for a change. I enjoyed last year, but did I think they could replicate that year after year? No, only if he gets four or five years in a row with top 10-to-20 recruiting classes do I think he can have a B10 contender year in and year out.

Now try to resist your one-sample-size, knee-jerk interpretive skills the next time you post, water boy.