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Maybe the fact is there are too many irresponsible gun owners. I think the parents of elementary students need to serve a month or two of jail time if their child brings a gun to school. Something has to make the issue of proper storage of weapons a priority for parents.I don't think that's the most important number. Households with a gun hasn't changed much over time. Culture has. (now, that's not saying widely available guns aren't a problem, depending on how you see things, however, I don't that their availability, especially to kids, has really changed much over time -- and we didn't used to have these issues)
Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2023 | Statista
The share of American households owning at least one firearm has remained relatively steady since 1972, hovering between 37 percent and 47 percent.
If it was the parents gun, then I agree. Some sort of repercussions. Hefty fine maybe…
It is absolutely a problem. More guns than people. Easy to get them. It's a huge problem.I don't think that's the most important number. Households with a gun hasn't changed much over time. Culture has. (now, that's not saying widely available guns aren't a problem, depending on how you see things, however, I don't that their availability, especially to kids, has really changed much over time -- and we didn't used to have these issues)
Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2023 | Statista
The share of American households owning at least one firearm has remained relatively steady since 1972, hovering between 37 percent and 47 percent.
Not interested in making excuses. I want results. And looking at half a billion guns is where I'm looking first.
There are an estimated 393 million guns owned be 33% of Americans. You're not interest in knowing if there were the same amount, lesser amount or more amount of guns in America during periods of time where gun violence isn't what it is today?
Perhaps the "at least one gun" is the issue. We have a sheet ton more guns now than in 1972 so it must be the existing gun households having more guns and not keeping track of the larger number like they did with 1 or 2?I don't think that's the most important number. Households with a gun hasn't changed much over time. Culture has. (now, that's not saying widely available guns aren't a problem, depending on how you see things, however, I don't that their availability, especially to kids, has really changed much over time -- and we didn't used to have these issues)
Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2023 | Statista
The share of American households owning at least one firearm has remained relatively steady since 1972, hovering between 37 percent and 47 percent.
This study is old, but looks like gun ownership had been declining steadily from 1972-2014 (mostly because hunting isn't as popular).
I hope you realize my thread title was "tough in cheek". Gun advocates usually blame school shootings on mental health. Situations like these could easily result in a tragic event that even the child with the gun wasn't intending. Guns have become too "normal" in children's lives. Many kids see having them as cool, tough, and patriotic. The reasons for intentional shooters are harder to define, but children bringing guns to "show off" should be something we can agree on about the cause and punishment for adults responsible.
Good God. I can’t with this shit.I don't think that's the most important number. Households with a gun hasn't changed much over time. Culture has. (now, that's not saying widely available guns aren't a problem, depending on how you see things, however, I don't that their availability, especially to kids, has really changed much over time -- and we didn't used to have these issues)
Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2023 | Statista
The share of American households owning at least one firearm has remained relatively steady since 1972, hovering between 37 percent and 47 percent.
What exactly are you taking exception to?
Are you shitting me? Movies are more to blame than the half a billion guns we have?There are an estimated 393 million guns owned be 33% of Americans. You're not interest in knowing if there were the same amount, lesser amount or more amount of guns in America during periods of time where gun violence isn't what it is today?
I would think you'd be interested in causation for gun violence. I know I certainly am because it's a pretty big deal in our current society.
A 2013 report from the American Academy of Pediatrics found that violence in films has more than doubled since 1950, and gun violence in PG-13-rated films has more than tripled since 1985:
I'm actually pretty surprised you're uninterested in this topic, Huey. It's no secret our society keeps sliding the goal posts on what's acceptable. Remember when Psycho was Rated R for violence? I watched that flick with my kids. PG-13 movies are now more violent than R-rated '80s flicks according to a study I read.
Could factor in.
I never said that. You said the problem was 400 million guns. I asked what the numbers were from time-periods where gun violence wasn't nearly as high is it is today. You said you're weren't interested. In subsequent posts, I shared links where gun ownership has declined. So, if we have less gun ownership, then that isn't the sole problem.
Then why was the bulk of your post about movies?I never said that. You said the problem was 400 million guns. I asked what the numbers were from time-periods where gun violence wasn't nearly as high is it is today. You said you're weren't interested. In subsequent posts, I shared links where gun ownership has declined. So, if we have less gun ownership, then that isn't the sole problem.
Now, we've beat the ever loving $hit out of this topic here on HROT and I've stated a million times that I'm all for gun reform (I strongly support it, in fact). I've also stated that my reasons are different than most. I want to limit gun access so that once that [guns] is out of the equation we, as a society, can focus on the real issue. Because I hate to tell you that once little Johnny no longer has access to a gun, little Johnny's desire to do harm will still be present (it it's not addressed).
EDITING FOR AFTERTHOUGHT:
A better way to put it is, I think we don't have a choice but to make drastic changes to gun laws because society has changed, not the guns. The guns were there by the millions in the 80s 90s 00s and we didn't have these type of issues. So, since no one wants to to figure out why people are shooting the hell out of each other, then we need to limit/prevent access.
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It's about culture...much of which is played out in the media we, as a society, consume. It doesn't matter if it's music, television, games, movies, or social media. Society is being desensitized.
I agree. And our culture is guns. We've been fed by the NRA and Republicans for decades that guns solve problems. So it's no surprise that so many believe it.
So, kids are watching NRA and Republican propaganda?
Yes kids are listening to this propaganda. You think kids don't listen to their parents parroting FoxNews gun garbage every week? They're reared on this bullshit.So, kids are watching NRA and Republican propaganda?
You're going to tell me a kid has a better chance of being influenced by this:
Than this?
I'd be shocked if a kid even knows what the NRA is.
I blame the NRA for nothing being done regarding gun legislation reform, but they aren't responsible for our society's steady consumption of violence nor the fact so many Americans are flat out pissed off.
The biggest influence on elementary students is their parents. The NRA message trickles down from adults to children.So, kids are watching NRA and Republican propaganda?
You're going to tell me a kid has a better chance of being influenced by this:
Than this?
I'd be shocked if a kid even knows what the NRA is.
I blame the NRA for nothing being done regarding gun legislation reform, but they aren't responsible for our society's steady consumption of violence nor the fact so many Americans are flat out pissed off.
And no, I'm not just parking the blame on "movies".
Kids play violent video games and think nothing about blowing people apart. They just do not understand the difference betweem fantasy play and reality. Sorry...I am just "old" school here.
You assume that most parents are good parents. Too many don't care or are uneducated to understand the ramifications.
And it that is already the statistic, then my above statement is further supported.
