Is Patrick McCaffery the Austin Ash of the Backups?

[hawkifann]

He seems like a guy that's been bigger, faster and more skilled his whole life and basketball has been easy for him. I really wish he had Connor's toughness. He's too athletic to be as bad of a rebounder as he is.

I’m sure the ongoing cancer treatments have been an absolute gift for him, especially his inability to add and maintain weight in the couple years prior to this one. Your comment is idiotic. Patrick has had it too easy??

 

[littlez]

You know the list he posted isn’t total shots, right? It’s averaged out shots per minute. When the 2nd team is in and you have Toussaint, Patrick, Keegan and Nunge out there together, someone has to shoot besides whichever starter stays out there.

I get it. I love the energy the 2nd group has given us most of the season. Also know someone has to shoot when that group is in. Just saying he could be a little more selective. He’s shooting 38%. Just let the game come to you a little more and stop forcing the issue. He takes a lot of difficult shots. All I’m saying. And I think he’s going to be a player down the road.

 

[unoHawkeye]

I get it. I love the energy the 2nd group has given us most of the season. Also know someone has to shoot when that group is in. Just saying he could be a little more selective. He’s shooting 38%. Just let the game come to you a little more and stop forcing the issue. He takes a lot of difficult shots. All I’m saying. And I think he’s going to be a player down the road.

Well that’s a lot easier of a post to agree with than the one where you said he was a black hole

 

[HawkamongstGophers]

I think a lot of fans, and even the stars on this year's team, are amused to see Austin Ash go into the game. They know the game is out of hand and the guy is a 1 trick pony who chucks 3 pointers every time he touches the ball, whether he's wide open at half court or double teamed at the 3 point line. In just 15 mins of playing time this year, he's already shot 9 three pointers (and made 3 of them). If it were a starter, fans would be outraged that he never even thinks about passing the ball to teammates who may be wide open. But as a lovable walkon, it's all in good fun.

But has anyone noticed that Patrick McCaffery is a 4 star version of Austin Ash's shoot first ask questions later mentality? Pretty much any time he touches the ball, he puts his head down, drives, and throws up a wild jump shot/layup or 3 pointer. He misses the vast majority of the time (shoots just 38% from the field), but it doesn't stop him from chucking up another wild shot the very next time he gets the ball. The only problem is, Fran has Patrick as his 1st man off the bench a lot of the time (for unknown reasons when we've got much more productive players behind him on the bench), and he plays when the game is on the line.

If you haven't noticed this trend, re-watch the Indiana game (went 0-4 in a 2 minute stretch where he never passed the ball once). The guy may have all the talent in the world, but he's shooting just 38% from the field. Pass the ball, Patrick, work on your shot, and the game will come to you.

Short answer, no.

Slightly longer answer, pretty poor (and silly)comparison.

Full answer, there is no comparison between a regular contributor and a one trick pony, deep bench player. Learn something about basketball and stop posting nonsense.

 

[hawkifann]

I get it. I love the energy the 2nd group has given us most of the season. Also know someone has to shoot when that group is in. Just saying he could be a little more selective. He’s shooting 38%. Just let the game come to you a little more and stop forcing the issue. He takes a lot of difficult shots. All I’m saying. And I think he’s going to be a player down the road.

The other thing to remember if you want Bohannon and Fredrick to move up the list (and I do with CJ....Bohannon is probably about right) - as someone else said on the first page, given who plays together, if JBo and CJ start popping more shots, they’re coming at the expense of either each other or Luka/Joe.

 

[hawkifann]

Short answer, no.

Slightly longer answer, pretty poor (and silly)comparison.

Full answer, there is no comparison between a regular contributor and a one trick pony, deep bench player. Learn something about basketball and stop posting nonsense.

I agree with this. If Ashe has to get minutes in more normal rotations due to injury or foul trouble, he’s not going to go in chucking. #1, he’ll be facing the other team’s starters and #2, he’s in real game situations. When he gets in now, the game is over and out of hand and chucking up some shots is his reward for all those hours playing scout team and getting absolutely pounded by the starters. I have no issue with him chucking sh1t up.

 

[kzoohawk80]

I’m sure the ongoing cancer treatments have been an absolute gift for him, especially his inability to add and maintain weight in the couple years prior to this one. Your comment is idiotic. Patrick has had it too easy??

Name calling, really? Very mature of you.

 

[Hawksfinal4]

The problem with stats is that you can pick and choose to make your point. This isn't a knock on PM at all, I think he should be playing, but I prefer to play big with KM or go smaller with one of the guards.

I don’t disagree with the pick and choose stats comment, however in a debate about a subject stats are usually more valuable than feelings. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[hawkifann]

Name calling, really? Very mature of you.

Name calling? I did not call you any names. I expressed an opinion that I explicitly stated was about your comment.

 

[SB_SB]

I don’t disagree with the pick and choose stats comment, however in a debate about a subject stats are usually more valuable than feelings. Wouldn’t you agree?

Stats are important and should be used. The problem with the world today is, people only pick the stats that fit their feelings.

 

[SB_SB]

I don’t disagree with the pick and choose stats comment, however in a debate about a subject stats are usually more valuable than feelings. Wouldn’t you agree?

Let me give you an example. You responded to the poster who claimed this:

Patrick 14 assists and 7 turnovers

Keegan 8 assists and 14 turnovers

Looking at just those stats it would seem that Patrick is the better player, that's what the poster was trying to imply. Why did the poster do that, well, it was his feeling that other posters were dipshits. The poster was trying to prove something by using stats that fit his feeling.

Now let's look at all the stats for KM and PT. On a per game basis (from ESPN),

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS

PM

15

14.7

38.4

32.0

68.8

3.1

0.9

0.4

0.3

0.9

0.5

5.7

KM

15

14.8

57.8

38.1

78.3

4.5

0.5

1.2

1.1

1.6

0.9

6.7

Look at what the poster did, he/she picked the only two categories where PM was better than KM. Everything else has KM better than PM. So the poster actually used stats to push his agenda. In the end, it just makes the poster look like the dipshit. I'm not pushing for KM to get more minutes than PM, but I can certain see why others may "feel" that way based watching and looking at the stats.

 

[Hawksfinal4]

Let me give you an example. You responded to the poster who claimed this:

Patrick 14 assists and 7 turnovers

Keegan 8 assists and 14 turnovers

Looking at just those stats it would seem that Patrick is the better player, that's what the poster was trying to imply. Why did the poster do that, well, it was his feeling that other posters were dipshits. The poster was trying to prove something by using stats that fit his feeling.

Now let's look at all the stats for KM and PT. On a per game basis (from ESPN),

GP	MIN	FG%	3P%	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS

PM

15

14.7

38.4

32.0

68.8

3.1

0.9

0.4

0.3

0.9

0.5

5.7

KM

15

14.8

57.8

38.1

78.3

4.5

0.5

1.2

1.1

1.6

0.9

6.7

Look at what the poster did, he/she picked the only two categories where PM was better than KM. Everything else has KM better than PM. So the poster actually used stats to push his agenda. In the end, it just makes the poster look like the dipshit. I'm not pushing for KM to get more minutes than PM, but I can certain see why others may "feel" that way based watching and looking at the stats.

I agree you are correct about pushing an agenda, and likely I was trying to say though not very eloquently (obviously I hoped) that both players have their positive and (occasionally negative) aspects to their game and both contribute to helping this team be one of the best in the country. So getting down on the coach or a particular player for a team game is really counterproductive . The Hawks didn’t live up to expectations against Indiana, shame ! I believe both the players and coach will try their best to do better and call me crazy, I think they will be.
Thanks for the conversation, it was refreshing.

 

[BC Hawk]

He’s young. He’ll get there.

 

[szohn]

I believe they will both be starting studs at some point.
But this year KM affects the game in a positive way on both ends of the court much more thanPM does and should clearly get many more minutes than anyone else off of the bench

 

[HawkLogic]

I’m sure the ongoing cancer treatments have been an absolute gift for him, especially his inability to add and maintain weight in the couple years prior to this one. Your comment is idiotic. Patrick has had it too easy??

Being 6'9, coaches son, Father is very wealthy, playing in Iowa which isn't hyper competitive---PMAC's basketball path has been relatively easy for him vs some kids that do it completely on their own without the same family resources. JoeT for instance, didn't his family come from Haiti? Did he grow up with a college coach?

PMAC's cancer at such young age certainly was a health and mental challenge which he appears to have handled very well. PMAC seems to have put on weight, I don't see that as limiting his game. He needs to shoot better.

 

[hexumhawk]

He can get to the spot he wants. Those 8-12 foot shots off the glass will fall. Maybe not this season, but as he gets older & the game slows down, that will his go-to move. And he can rise up over most.

This.

He is one of the few players we have that can get to whatever spot on the floor he wants and get whatever shot he wants at pretty much anytime. A lot of those shots in the lane will fall more times than not. Patrick is going to be a pretty special player when all said and done.