If we take him out of the game is it over? Haven't watched much of them but the little I did watch it was basically him and everybody else, meaning he is basically their whole offense. Everything is set up off him.
Is Stanford basically Mccaffrey and everybody else?
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Hogan is pretty good, but yeah, McCaffrey pretty much sets up everything. A bit like Iowa in that the run sets up the pass.
Yes Hogan is a good player and had a good chance to see some playing time in the NFL.
We've played some tough defenses in MSU Pitt and Wisconsin..I don't think Stanfords is on par with the others. I think we will run better and eat clock to keep their offense off the field. The turnovers and roughing the punter put our defense in a bad position last night. Mich St finally moved the ball after our defense was on the field for the majority of the second half. I think Stanford hasn't played anyone as "physical" as Iowa..ND USC and Northwestern would be that type of team. Most PAC teams run spread offenses that throw more than run. Should be a great game and if we don't turn the ball over I think we will win.. 13-1 with a Rose Bowl win...what a year
I agree with above. I tried to categorize Stanfords D and it's probably in the second tier of defenses we have played with NW and Minnesota. Should be able to do some damage against them.
On the other side we will be by far the best D they have faced ND is awful and no one in the Pac can do what we can do.
If we come to play like the B1G champ game and limit the turnovers then I think it could be a fun New Years in SoCal.
I wonder if Bo Bowers will be used to spy McCaffrey. He seems to be our fastest LB and we need to figure out a way to minimize McCaffrey.
To others points, Hogan is a good football player. I don't know enough about their team but I'm guessing they are a well coached team and have good players across the board.
To others points, Hogan is a good football player. I don't know enough about their team but I'm guessing they are a well coached team and have good players across the board.
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No. I doubt he is even in the top 4 or 5 fastest LBs
Mends and Niemann are certainly faster and I would bet Fisher is too. The freshman from Illinois for sure.
Stanford is a very good football team. It is going to take a complete effort from the Hawks to beat them. They will be "comfortable"in the Rose Bowl since they seem to be there a lot, and they have lots of weapons on offense. The Hawks are going to have to score some points.
Besides, Stanford is "cool", ya know? Top tier academics, Palo Alto is ridiculously beautiful, even their band is cool.
Hope the Hawks pound them into the beautiful Rose Bowl turf.
Besides, Stanford is "cool", ya know? Top tier academics, Palo Alto is ridiculously beautiful, even their band is cool.
Hope the Hawks pound them into the beautiful Rose Bowl turf.
We will need to win the TOP by having long drives if we are going to beat Stanford. Stanford is by far the the most balanced and electric offense we have faced all year again by far. Hogan is much like Beathard he can make any throw if you need him to and will run and pick up 10yds for a 1st down if he has to. I don't need to talk about McCaffrey he's a Heisman canidate for a reason. Our saving grace for this game is we will have 4 weeks to come up with a gameplan to slow their O down. I can see this game being in the high 20's or low 30's. Iowa needs to brinf the wood in this game and we likely will need to get some backups on D up to speed so the D doesnt wear down in the 4th. This will be a long and brutal game.
As a Hawk fan who lives out west and has watched Stanford a number of times this season you can't look at the Northwestern game and judge Stanford. Stanford wasnt really sure what they had on offense yet in that game and made changes to their offensive gameplan in the couple games that followed and as a result their offense took off. Their offense is much different now then it was then. One thing Iowa could do is watch Utah's D a little in past matchups with Stanford. Utah runs a B1G style D and they seem to be one of the only PAC teams that has them figured out.
That and they also play UCLA at the Rose Bowl stadium every other year, so.............you would think most Pac-12 teams would be comfortable playing in the Rose Bowl.
When UCLA plays in the Rose Bowl Game (like in '85 and '99 among others), it is LITERALLY a home game for them.
Didn't really mean they would be comfortable in the stadium - more like comfortable with whatever goes on in this bowl game.
they have a true freshman Byrce Love (rb slot)who makes Mcaffrey look slow...qb is good..this is a good fb team..on offense much better than MSU...not taking him out of the game...he will get his..MCAF...I think is the best player in college...not sure how he will be as a pro...but he will be the best player on the field period in the Rose Bowl..Iowa will win with it's A game..this team has hit it's stride...Iowa has had it's stride all year
Watching this kid off and on he will get his yards. I mean I can't believe he out gained something like 2-3 FBS teams by himself (meaning he got more yards combined than their entire team). Pretty crazy to see.
I think you will see Phil game plan to slow him down, you can't stop him. All they have to do is game plan to shut his running down and have a LB assigned to him every time he is split out or comes out of the backfield. Hogan is what scares me, he is very accurate and he has some nice weapons around him to bail him out if needed.
Their defense was very suspect vs ND (not saying has the caliber of players as ND). But they could not stop them. ND was able to do whatever they wanted and the only reason Stanford won that game was ND scored too soon.
I think it will be a good game. I would say early prediction for the game is:
Iowa 31
Stanford 21
I think the hawks defense can contain him and hopefully the offense can control the ball and keep him off of the field.
I think you will see Phil game plan to slow him down, you can't stop him. All they have to do is game plan to shut his running down and have a LB assigned to him every time he is split out or comes out of the backfield. Hogan is what scares me, he is very accurate and he has some nice weapons around him to bail him out if needed.
Their defense was very suspect vs ND (not saying has the caliber of players as ND). But they could not stop them. ND was able to do whatever they wanted and the only reason Stanford won that game was ND scored too soon.
I think it will be a good game. I would say early prediction for the game is:
Iowa 31
Stanford 21
I think the hawks defense can contain him and hopefully the offense can control the ball and keep him off of the field.
As a die-hard, lifelong USC fan (who attended the 2003 Orange Bowl) and pays attention:
The David Shaw factor is the key to understanding Stanford and what you are dealing with. He is one of the best cool, calm game planners around, maybe all-time. They are super organized and smart, and he also understands procedural football (i.e. management of time outs and the clock, which can't be underestimated -- Sarkisian and Miles are the worst here).
That said, he is one of the worst in-game tactical adjusters going. His plan is right 70% of the time and they win literally all of those games and he looks like a genius. The other 30% is pretty unimpressive, especially because sometimes he drowns in the pressure of the moment and does inexplicable shit (see Rose Bowl '13/'14 v. MSU).
It sounds insulting, but he is kind of like a rich man's version of Lane Kiffin. Kiffin was Pete Carroll-level good when his plan was correct, but unfortunately it was not correct anywhere near 70% of the time. Neither Kiffin nor Shaw can adjust their plans with any aplomb. At least Shaw does understand clock management, which Kiffin (and Sark) didn't.
You need to be prepared that Stanford might come out and blow you out of the stadium from the word go -- that is like fully a 1-in-3 chance. You should also know that the longer that you are close/ahead/dictating terms, it only gets better and better for you, except that he won't gift it to you via clock mismanagement like Miles or Sarkisian.
The David Shaw factor is the key to understanding Stanford and what you are dealing with. He is one of the best cool, calm game planners around, maybe all-time. They are super organized and smart, and he also understands procedural football (i.e. management of time outs and the clock, which can't be underestimated -- Sarkisian and Miles are the worst here).
That said, he is one of the worst in-game tactical adjusters going. His plan is right 70% of the time and they win literally all of those games and he looks like a genius. The other 30% is pretty unimpressive, especially because sometimes he drowns in the pressure of the moment and does inexplicable shit (see Rose Bowl '13/'14 v. MSU).
It sounds insulting, but he is kind of like a rich man's version of Lane Kiffin. Kiffin was Pete Carroll-level good when his plan was correct, but unfortunately it was not correct anywhere near 70% of the time. Neither Kiffin nor Shaw can adjust their plans with any aplomb. At least Shaw does understand clock management, which Kiffin (and Sark) didn't.
You need to be prepared that Stanford might come out and blow you out of the stadium from the word go -- that is like fully a 1-in-3 chance. You should also know that the longer that you are close/ahead/dictating terms, it only gets better and better for you, except that he won't gift it to you via clock mismanagement like Miles or Sarkisian.
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Ha, there is a little truth in this. I would not call halftime or in-game adjustments one of Shaw's strengths, although I think he's getting better -- this is still only his fifth year as a head coach. He also makes some clock management decisions I would disagree with, but he doesn't make the obvious mistakes some coaches do. Shaw is good at pre-game planning, as you note, and is very good at keeping the team calm and focused, which helps in big games.
Well, you landed in the far upper end of the 70% of good planning. It also helped that they demonstrated themselves to be way better at football (sorry, but they'd easily win 85 out of 100 in neutral conditions). But no one is right like David Shaw is right when he is right -- I say this as a USC fan who has watched it more than once.
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