Is Trumps policies causing a recession?

[torbee]

Again who is better for the job? We’ve already established there’s a lot of bad spending going on, who do you trust to root it out and flush it?

Let’s start with an American. And an elected one.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Maybe. But only if the rubes are willing to admit their mistakes. I find that doubtful.

Let’s start with the rubes who didn’t vote in the general, find out why they say this one out? Why did EVERY state go more red than in 2020? Not all the rubes are republicans

 

[Huey Grey]

You may not like it Rs, but when he smokes our economy, you're going to have to march in the streets with us to correct this bad behavior. People like Joni and Chuck aren't going to do it for us.

 

[RileyHawk]

The doge project is a 2 year project.

NO Riley, going from "it's going to cost more than what we save" as you implied, only to have you ass handed to you, was the back pedal.

So it's not a "back peddle" now?

Not sure why you're using quotes for something I didn't post. Wait, I do know why. Because not only are you a dumbass, you make shit up.

The operative here is that you "don't care" about anything other than what you're told something "saves".

Carry on - I'm done pulling your strings now, puppet.

 

[RileyHawk]

Let’s start with the rubes who didn’t vote in the general, find out why they say this one out? Why did EVERY state go more red than in 2020? Not all the rubes are republicans

Those rubes are included. And I've never suggested the only rubes are republicans. Anyone who voted for Trump or sat the election out fall in that category. They are culpable in where we're headed.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Those rubes are included. And I've never suggested the only rubes are republicans. Anyone who voted for Trump or sat the election out fall in that category. They are culpable in where we're headed.

Fair

 

[pocha444444]

Here's how big of dupes Trump's supporters are. When he does cause them to lose their jobs and their homes, he will simply say it's temporary pain and it has to be done, and his supporters will still drink the Kool aid.

Yep, he puts so much BS out there that he's constantly building in multiple scenarios so that no matter what he'll always be "right". Inflation and the economy were all going to be fixed on day one, or we might also have to experience "temporary pain" in order to reach desired outcomes. Whatever happens, gullible Trump morons will shout "Trump was right again!", and the cult will live on.

 

[torbee]

The stock market is tanking so badly it almost feels like we are being governed by someone who went bankrupt six tim—
Oh wait.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Let’s start with an American. And an elected one.

I'll ask you the same question I asked you almost 4 years ago.





What is the plan? What are we doing to reduce Ukraines dependency on us and taking actions to make this not another 20 years in Afghanistan?





You can be upset with the decisions of the new guy but at some point you are going to have to realize Joe Biden had 3 plus years to start putting systems and structures in place and instead he went to the beach.

 

[RileyHawk]

I'll ask you the same question I asked you almost 4 years ago.





What is the plan? What are we doing to reduce Ukraines dependency on us and taking actions to make this not another 20 years in Afghanistan?





You can be upset with the decisions of the new guy but at something you are going to have to realize Joe Biden had 3 plus years to start putting systems and structures in place and instead he went to the beach.

There are no US troops fighting in Ukraine. JFC.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

There are no US troops fighting in Ukraine. JFC.

Good edit. 😉


Read it again Riley.

 

[RileyHawk]

Good edit. 😉


Read it again Riley.

No need. The comparison of the US involvement in Ukraine to that of Afghanistan is absurd. Another ignorant post by you.

I didn't edit anything.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

No need. The comparison of the US involvement in Ukraine to that of Afghanistan is absurd. Another ignorant post by you.

I didn't edit anything.

"Post not found" and edited to say we don't have guys would say you are a liar.

Lol, be better dipshit.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It’s going to be bad, most financial professionals are agreeing.

“Many people are saying it.”

 

[Tenacious E]

Watching the dems move to "it isnt enough money to matter" is like watching every broke ass person make an excuse for why this shouldn't be the thing they actually need to exercise restraint on.


I don't care if it saves us 4 bucks, find it.

Not a democrat, but this is stupid. It’s about net savings while complying with due process. Say they fire all of these people, and then lose in court and have to hire them back or pay damages, while f$cking up their lives? Savings? It’s not that there can’t be ways to contract but this shoot first ask questions later is not how it is supposed to work.

 

[SolarHawk]

If we have another month like his first month, it will be inevitable and unlike all previous recessions, completely 100 percent made by massive incompetence of a president and surrounding henchmen at levels never seen before, so horrible that it honestly is starting to seem intentional.

Most amazingly, the economy was poised to have a great year his first year. Most economists had predicted it would do better under him than Harris due to optimism and thoughts of deregulation. I know the powers that be heading my billion dollar company did. Not anymore. All that optimism has been immediately destroyed and almost every business, including mine, is suffering revenue pause/loss due to the massive scale of of ****ing with the entire workings of the federal government. The stock market will eventually really crash, the housing market will follow due to interest rates likely going up, unemployment will dramatically start rising…it is going to be worse than 2008-2009 unless the American people quickly rise up and make it clear to the feckless GOP ****s controlling the house and senate and the GOP corrupt Supreme Court that they need to serve as checks ASAP. Sadly, no way they will in time.

When all heck breaks loose, the GOP will not be able to walk away and blame it on democrats. Things are quickly becoming obvious as to what is going on and about 75 percent of the country will turn on them, deservedly so. Then the real specter of Trump / MAGA trying to cancel the 26 election will for sure happen because they don’t believe in decency and rule of law and for sure will try to stop it if they are going to be destroyed.

It’s truly amazing to see all these trumpturds keep their head in the sand and pretend that what Trump is doing is benefiting everyday Americans. I’m fortunate to be in an industry and area that will weather the incoming shit storm far better than most of the country. Trump is a danger to us all and people are going to feel real pain very soon.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Clarinda - its a common tactic by individuals who know they don't have a solid argument to deviate to grammar.

My pet peeve is a president causing a recession or possibly a depression through policy.

I’m with you on this. I think the tax policy is crap

 

[jonesy5960]

So, you’re saying the odds of you having an adverse side effect from the Covid vaccine is greater than the percentage of waste DOGE is eliminating… but DOGE is a bigger concern for you at present? Do I have that right?

I'm not overly concerned about either actually. I'm not ideologically impaired so I look at things from a risk/benefit perspective. There is no such thing as a medicine or a vaccine without a potential side effect. The reason they are given is to ward off the greater potential harm from the illness they are intended to thwart. I am immunosuppressed so the risk is high for me. 100's of millions of people, including me multiple times have already received the vaccine without any major issues.

With respect to DOGE, I believe this is mostly an unfettered ideological mission led by individuals with no government experience whose true risks and benefits are unknown, so yeah, I guess I'm more concerned about the larger implications of DOGE than the covid vaccines.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Not a democrat, but this is stupid. It’s about net savings while complying with due process. Say they fire all of these people, and then lose in court and have to hire them back or pay damages, while f$cking up their lives? Savings? It’s not that there can’t be ways to contract but this shoot first ask questions later is not how it is supposed to work.

Your point is valid in thst there seems to be a ready, shoot, aim approach to some of this. I would ask you to consider 2 things however. 1. Those lawsuits are assumed. 2. And more importantly, this doesn't get done if the letter of every precedent is followed. Our government takes 4 years to complete a task that should take 4 days. If you are someone who wants "change" you need to recognize the system had safegaurded itself.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Your point is valid in thst there seems to be a ready, shoot, aim approach to some of this. I would ask you to consider 2 things however. 1. Those lawsuits are assumed. 2. And more importantly, this doesn't get done if the letter of every precedent is followed. Our government takes 4 years to complete a task that should take 4 days. If you are someone who wants "change" you need to recognize the system had safegaurded itself.

How can they possibly know what they are cutting? They can’t and don’t.

They are just disrupting - cut drastically, unpredictably, and blindly and let’s see what happens. Great plan.

 

[Tenacious E]

Your point is valid in thst there seems to be a ready, shoot, aim approach to some of this. I would ask you to consider 2 things however. 1. Those lawsuits are assumed. 2. And more importantly, this doesn't get done if the letter of every precedent is followed. Our government takes 4 years to complete a task that should take 4 days. If you are someone who wants "change" you need to recognize the system had safegaurded itself.

Lawsuits are not supposed to be assumed. The government is assumed to act in accordance with the law. Lawsuits trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together are not efficient and not normal.

 

[bunsen82]

There’s plenty of room for cutting waste, but you’re right cutting a dime from the military is basically political suicide, so that budget isn’t ever going down no matter who is in office.

The defense you could do just fine, and honestly if we want to focus on just the US its a fine strategy. You will lose influence on the world but if the goal is to take care of the US, do it in defense. Its medicare and SS that is political suicide. Even though I am ok with reform there as well.

 

[Tenacious E]

The defense you could do just fine, and honestly if we want to focus on just the US its a fine strategy. You will lose influence on the world but if the goal is to take care of the US, do it in defense. Its medicare and SS that is political suicide. Even though I am ok with reform there as well.

If the last 3 years have taught us anything we cannot cut defense, especially if we are going to be acting unilaterally going forward without a coalition.

 

[jonesy5960]

If the last 3 years have taught us anything we cannot cut defense, especially if we are going to be acting unilaterally going forward without a coalition.

I'm not sure about this. I'm sure there is a ton of waste in defense spending because those contractors receive billions directly from congress via the DOD, often money that isn't even requested just to bring the bacon back home to constituents.

 

[Colonoscopy]

 

[Tenacious E]

If the last 3 years have taught us anything we cannot cut defense, especially if we are going to be acting unilaterally going forward without a coalition.

This is probably something will not agree on, which is fine. It is my belief that that world is getting more and more dangerous. I know we spend a lot more than other nations, but we need to stay ahead in the interest of deterrence. That is not to say some programs shouldn’t be cut. It just needs to be done while keeping the ball moving downfield.

 

[RileyHawk]

"Post not found" and edited to say we don't have guys would say you are a liar.

Lol, be better dipshit.

I deleted the exact same response because it was redundant. I didn't edit anything.

You really should go back to middle school english class. Geesh.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I deleted the exact same response because it was redundant. I didn't edit anything.

You really should go back to middle school english class. Geesh.

I appreciate the honesty, you are still a
Dipshit.

 

[RileyHawk]

I appreciate the honesty, you are still a
Dipshit.

Lol - there was never anything dishonest, other than your accusation.

You still need to go to middle school english class.

 

[bunsen82]

If the last 3 years have taught us anything we cannot cut defense, especially if we are going to be acting unilaterally going forward without a coalition.

We are spending billions more on defense than anyone else, if you are all about cutting its the easiest place to do it. If not you are not serious about cutting expense.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

We are spending billions more on defense than anyone else, if you are all about cutting its the easiest place to do it. If not you are not serious about cutting expense.

I believe traveler presented the numbers for mandatory vs non mandatory spending, of which 1.8 trillion was non and 3.8 was "mandatory" dod was less than 1 trillion of non mandator. In my opinion, we need to evaluate how mandatory some of those mandatory things are.

 

[bunsen82]

I believe traveler presented the numbers for mandatory vs non mandatory spending, of which 1.8 trillion was non and 3.8 was "mandatory" dod was less than 1 trillion of non mandator. In my opinion, we need to evaluate how mandatory some of those mandatory things are.

If we are going to truly cut the spending, lets increase taxes, and lets get after the deficit, yes it will suck, but long term so much better. We can handle some stiff medicine now, in 10-20 years we won't.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

If we are going to truly cut the spending, lets increase taxes, and lets get after the deficit, yes it will suck, but long term so much better. We can handle some stiff medicine now, in 10-20 years we won't.

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a "haircuts are a necessity" yes "600 dollar haircuts are not" problem.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

The $50 billion figure is slightly lower than the $55 billion in savings DOGE claims to have found so far. However, a report from Bloomberg News Wednesday (Feb. 19) notes that while DOGE says it has saved $55 billion, its website accounts for just $16.6 billion.

Bloomberg report

Even this article which downplays the savings still says 8+ billion in savings… 8 billion feels like a lot.

It’s a drop in the bucket considering that Trump promised to increase overall military spending, give WAY more than this in tax breaks and is contemplating giving away trillions in Doge checks.

Make no mistake: Trump is going to raise the deficit FAR faster than any Republicans in history and I suspect faster than most if not all democrats.

 

[KFsdisciple]

It’s a drop in the bucket considering that Trump promised to increase overall military spending, give WAY more than this in tax breaks and is contemplating giving away trillions in Doge checks.

Make no mistake: Trump is going to raise the deficit FAR faster than any Republicans in history and I suspect faster than most if not all democrats.

Tax breaks for Americans or tranny plays in South America…what are we arguing about?

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Tax breaks for Americans or tranny plays in South America…what are we arguing about?

False equivalency is false.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

It’s a drop in the bucket considering that Trump promised to increase overall military spending, give WAY more than this in tax breaks and is contemplating giving away trillions in Doge checks.

Make no mistake: Trump is going to raise the deficit FAR faster than any Republicans in history and I suspect faster than most if not all democrats.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Trump plan was actually a reduction over the Biden/Harris spending proposal.

 

[KFsdisciple]

False equivalency is false.

Not IF those tax breaks are a result of not spending tax dollars abroad on such a small segment of the population, especially in places that don’t have far left agendas…

 

[pocha444444]

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a "haircuts are a necessity" yes "600 dollar haircuts are not" problem.

Our tax revenue as a percentage of GDP is low compared to other wealthy nations.

How do US taxes compare internationally?

taxpolicycenter.org

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Trump plan was actually a reduction over the Biden/Harris spending proposal.

Not true. There is a non partisan group called the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. Their board is made up of a variety of Republicans and Democrats.

This was their assessment from October of last year (bar represents projected deficit):

The big issue with Trump’s plans has been the tax breaks. He will dramatically lower revenue far more than he will cut in spending. This dwarfs by multiple trillions the spending increases Kamala proposed.

Of course only one of them pretends to be a fiscal conservative. Why do you let yourself be fooled by this asshat just because he has an R next to his name on the ballot?

Link to the site in case you want to read in detail