Isaiah Moss

[wartdog]

After tonight's game, I have no idea why he isn't playing more. There has to be something more beneath just the surface right? I know it was a crappy team we played but he looks confident and athletic and his shot looks pretty decent. His defense was pretty solid too and at least he gives good effort on D. Above all else he is a redshirt freshman and has a year in the system. He seems like a decent ballhandler as well.

I would like to see him get more minutes and to be honest have him spell Williams at PG over Bohannon at this point if his handles are good enough to bring the ball up the court. I think he offers much more versatility overall rather even if he isn't a true PG. He definitely earned a spot in the rotation though In my eyes and should be arguably the 7th-9th guy in the rotation at least.

 

[DodgerHawki]

After tonight's game, I have no idea why he isn't playing more. There has to be something more beneath just the surface right? I know it was a crappy team we played but he looks confident and athletic and his shot looks pretty decent. His defense was pretty solid too and at least he gives good effort on D. Above all else he is a redshirt freshman and has a year in the system. He seems like a decent ballhandler as well.

I would like to see him get more minutes and to be honest have him spell Williams at PG over Bohannon at this point if his handles are good enough to bring the ball up the court. I think he offers much more versatility overall rather even if he isn't a true PG. He definitely earned a spot in the rotation though In my eyes and should be arguably the 7th-9th guy in the rotation at least.

There is nothing "beneath the surface." Coming into the game against Rio Grande or whoever we played, Moss was 4 of 16 from the floor. Good job by him for having a good game scoring, and for the staff on getting him in where he could succeed.

Moss has ability, but as of yet hasn't recognized what is a good shot/bad shot and what to do on defense. He's coming along. But he's playing behind Jok, who is going to get a ton of minutes. Playing him at PG would be not good. Trying to play guys like Moss or Ellingson at PG against quality opponents would be asking for trouble.

 

[perryhawk]

As most every fan on here knows, he has a ton of talent. Obviously the coaches know that better than we do. So, my assumption is that he hasn't quite shown what he needs to show the coaches for them to put him on the floor during crucial parts of a game or for the amount of time we would all like to see...........it's either in practice or some other part of the deal that he isn't quite there yet.

Why would the coaches not play him if they thought he was ready? Obviously they want to win as much or more than anyone else.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

There is nothing "beneath the surface." Coming into the game against Rio Grande or whoever we played, Moss was 4 of 16 from the floor. Good job by him for having a good game scoring, and for the staff on getting him in where he could succeed.

Moss has ability, but as of yet hasn't recognized what is a good shot/bad shot and what to do on defense. He's coming along. But he's playing behind Jok, who is going to get a ton of minutes. Playing him at PG would be not good. Trying to play guys like Moss or Ellingson at PG against quality opponents would be asking for trouble.

Bohannon was 1-7 last night and Uhl continues to be largely ineffective offensively. Where do we get points?

I don't know about Moss at PG, but I think he needs more PT. Some will make the case for Ellingson, but he is strictly a spot up guy. He puts the ball on the floor and bad things happen. Yes he gets some driving hoops against teams from the NDL (No Defense League), but that turns into swat city against real competition.

 

[StormHawk42]

I have a feeling we'll find out next weekend we'll find out if he's ready to play against quality teams. I'm sure he'll get a shot.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Agree 100% Moss needs more PT. Outside of Jok and Cook, who can create their own offense? Williams has potential, but lacks confidence. Baer is a hustle / wide open spot up guy. Uhl is consistently inconsistent.

Moss is a scorer and we need that mentality. Will he take some ill-advised shots? Yes. I can live with that over everyone deferring to Jok with 10 seconds on the shot clock or trying to force it to Cook when double teamed. We need someone who has the potential to attack of the bounce / get their own shot outside of the offense.

I have seen enough of Uhl to know there is no up side. He is a good sub for Baer for those hustle / garbage minutes, but we need more than one perimeter threat on the floor to take some pressure off of Jok. As you will see against Virginia, good teams will deny Jok the ball and make him run off screens to get even a semi-contested look. Without a 3rd scoring option, it will be Jok and Cook vs. the other team much like Jok & Uthoff last year.

Also think it's time to bring a shrink in for the free throw shooting woes.

 

[hawk-i bob]

we are only 4 games in ... Moss has shown he is a every game player (which is the first step). Virginia can make a lot of young players look not ready.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Virginia could win by 20 even if Iowa plays a good game. Their defense will cripple our Jok-centric offense and expose our PG woes. Good learning opportunity on the heels of the Seton Hall game. Playing these next level teams may be painful early, but should help when conference play arrives.

 

[championhawk]

Agree 100% Moss needs more PT. Outside of Jok and Cook, who can create their own offense? Williams has potential, but lacks confidence. Baer is a hustle / wide open spot up guy. Uhl is consistently inconsistent.

Moss is a scorer and we need that mentality. Will he take some ill-advised shots? Yes. I can live with that over everyone deferring to Jok with 10 seconds on the shot clock or trying to force it to Cook when double teamed. We need someone who has the potential to attack of the bounce / get their own shot outside of the offense.

I have seen enough of Uhl to know there is no up side. He is a good sub for Baer for those hustle / garbage minutes, but we need more than one perimeter threat on the floor to take some pressure off of Jok. As you will see against Virginia, good teams will deny Jok the ball and make him run off screens to get even a semi-contested look. Without a 3rd scoring option, it will be Jok and Cook vs. the other team much like Jok & Uthoff last year.

Also think it's time to bring a shrink in for the free throw shooting woes.

Uhl has been solid and consistent so far. Last year he had a tendency to force shots and this year he is letting the game come to him. I have been happy with how he has performed. I have also said many times before the season started that Moss needs PT. I like the trajectory Fran has him on.

 

[Curt Furence]

I have only been able to see two games so far, mostly do to where they were broadcast, but it seems like Moss plays with confidence and looks for his shot.

There have been a couple of line ups that have had no offense in them. Moss comes in and looks confident and looks to make a play. You need someone in that second group willing to do that.

 

[LuteHawk]

At 6' 5" and 205 pounds, Isaiah has a good body
for Big Ten competition. Bohannon is 4 inches
shorter and and 23 pounds lighter, I hope that
Isaiah Moss proves to be a stud for Iowa.

 

[SSG T]

Bohannon was 1-7 last night and Uhl continues to be largely ineffective offensively. Where do we get points?

Points aren't going to be a problem for this team. They have a lot of guys that can score. Their problem is going to be outscoring the opposition, since they are still finding themselves on defense.

My last worry with the Hawks is scoring.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

After tonight's game, I have no idea why he isn't playing more. There has to be something more beneath just the surface right? I know it was a crappy team we played but he looks confident and athletic and his shot looks pretty decent. His defense was pretty solid too and at least he gives good effort on D. Above all else he is a redshirt freshman and has a year in the system. He seems like a decent ballhandler as well.

I would like to see him get more minutes and to be honest have him spell Williams at PG over Bohannon at this point if his handles are good enough to bring the ball up the court. I think he offers much more versatility overall rather even if he isn't a true PG. He definitely earned a spot in the rotation though In my eyes and should be arguably the 7th-9th guy in the rotation at least.

Dom Uhl brought the ball over the half court line most of the game yesterday. At least when he was in the game. So I assume Moss could handle those duties.
The problem isn't Moss. It's having 12 players and trying to figure out how to divide up the minutes. Bohannon needs a red shirt year, IMO. He came down and jacked a couple of shots, AAU style yesterday. That's not a horrible problem but other players have taken red shirts. Nothing I see from Bohannon tells me we couldn't do without him in the line up.

 

[StormHawk42]

No way we were ever going RS Bohannon, even though he probably needs it. In any case, it's a moot point anyway.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

No way we were ever going RS Bohannon, even though he probably needs it. In any case, it's a moot point anyway.

Why do you think that is? That there's no way we were going to red shirt him? Out of curiosity. I know it's a moot point and I don't want to get into a long debate.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Moss's biggest problem, is that his ideal position is the same as our best player, who is going to get 32 minutes a game. I'm not a huge fan of Brady, but he has been shooting pretty well so far. Eventually, like most on this board, I'd like to see Moss overtake him and be that next guy behind Jok. He's not a PG, and he's not a SF, just tough for him to find time right now.

 

[StormHawk42]

Why do you think that is? That there's no way we were going to red shirt him? Out of curiosity. I know it's a moot point and I don't want to get into a long debate.

Jok, Moss, and Ellingson aren't PG's. After Williams, we'd have no one else to run point.

 

[DanL53]

Moss reminds me of Jok as a freshman. Learning on the go, much potential. He could be a big part of the future, but has further to go before that future arrives.

We've got plenty of guys well ahead of him who have their own learning to do. Most of us have expressed patience with them, and could handle Moss learning on the job. Others, even some wanting to see more of him, first bad game will be all over, "Where's Dailey?". Wontcha. Wontcha!

 

[djwoody]

Peter Jok averaged 4 points a game as a frosh. Moss sits at 6.3 ppg through 4 games. He'll be fine. This year will drive everyone crazy, just enjoy watching Pete and let the kids grow-up.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I urge everybody to stop comparing him to Jok at any stage of their careers. Jok was slow coming back from a very long lasting injury. The number of Iowa Hawkeyes that avgd 16+ ppg as a JR are few and far between. Moss has potential to be a good BIG player.

 

[David1979]

They played a really bad team.

 

[33hawkfan]

I urge everybody to stop comparing him to Jok at any stage of their careers. Jok was slow coming back from a very long lasting injury. The number of Iowa Hawkeyes that avgd 16+ ppg as a JR are few and far between. Moss has potential to be a good BIG player.

I agree that it's very unlikely that Moss ends up being near as good as Jok is. The one thing I liked about Jok his freshman year was that even then he could get his own shot off almost all the time, wasn't always a great shot but compared to watching Oglesby and Gesell need to really get a lot of room to get a jumper off, it was nice to see Jok be able to just need one or two dribbles and a quick step back and his shot was gone.

Haven't got to see much from Moss since I've only watched the Seton Hall game but stuff like that is evident about a player right away.

 

[DanL53]

I urge everybody to stop comparing him to Jok at any stage of their careers. Jok was slow coming back from a very long lasting injury. The number of Iowa Hawkeyes that avgd 16+ ppg as a JR are few and far between. Moss has potential to be a good BIG player.

Can we compare freshman Jok to freshman Moss without presuming the results will be identical? But I get what you are saying, just don't see how we get to where we all understand each other without using player comparisons. Besides, if we're going to urge restraint I have suggested for a long time that the Oglesby comparisons have become rather old.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Jok, Moss, and Ellingson aren't PG's. After Williams, we'd have no one else to run point.

I thought that the current philosophy was positionless basketball? That leaves multiple options for running the point.

 

[DanL53]

I thought that the current philosophy was positionless basketball? That leaves multiple options for running the point.

That's the plan. Huerter, the Maryland kid, was a guy we went after just as hard as anyone. Missed because he wasn't leaving the East Coast no matter how much he and is Dad are friends with Fran. But, he is the perfect example of what we want to do. Trimble? Combo Guard. Koenig? Combo Guard. The kid at Northwestern.....

We want several guys on the court that can move the ball, find the open man, and be facilitators. It's not like we wouldn't take a Ulis, or a Moore, of course we would. And certainly there would be adjustments to use their skills.

But the thing is, this positionless basketball has already caught on among many teams. It's not going away, and we might as well get used to the idea that a quarterback is for football, we want several guys capable of being the "quarterback" on the court at the same time. We're wanting guys that could be a two. We're wanting two's and threes that could be a one. We're wanting bigs who can bring the ball up.

And, the way things are, high school players want to be utilized like that as well. Practically no one wants to be a 5 with his back to the basketball all the time. And practically all the kids want to be "point guard".

The reason I'm so excited about Williams is he can post up smaller guards, hit the three, penetrate, handle the ball, see over people which is great for passing. no, he's not lighting quick and he's not going to garner the attention that a Yogi Ferrell did. But to me, dang if it won't be better in a motion offense to be able to move him around with everybody else and never have him out of position to be a threat.

 

[33hawkfan]

That's the plan. Huerter, the Maryland kid, was a guy we went after just as hard as anyone. Missed because he wasn't leaving the East Coast no matter how much he and is Dad are friends with Fran. But, he is the perfect example of what we want to do. Trimble? Combo Guard. Koenig? Combo Guard. The kid at Northwestern.....

We want several guys on the court that can move the ball, find the open man, and be facilitators. It's not like we wouldn't take a Ulis, or a Moore, of course we would. And certainly there would be adjustments to use their skills.

But the thing is, this positionless basketball has already caught on among many teams. It's not going away, and we might as well get used to the idea that a quarterback is for football, we want several guys capable of being the "quarterback" on the court at the same time. We're wanting guys that could be a two. We're wanting two's and threes that could be a one. We're wanting bigs who can bring the ball up.

And, the way things are, high school players want to be utilized like that as well. Practically no one wants to be a 5 with his back to the basketball all the time. And practically all the kids want to be "point guard".

The reason I'm so excited about Williams is he can post up smaller guards, hit the three, penetrate, handle the ball, see over people which is great for passing. no, he's not lighting quick and he's not going to garner the attention that a Yogi Ferrell did. But to me, dang if it won't be better in a motion offense to be able to move him around with everybody else and never have him out of position to be a threat.

Having multiple guys who can makes plays and create is a great thing, but I'm not sure we even have one this year. Jok can always create for himself, but he's not looking to set up others. Williams has not looked like a B10 difference maker at all so far, Bohannon has looked like it's a big adjustment from Iowa high school basketball to D-1, which is to be expected. It's great to have wings with point guard skills, but I'm afraid we may have point guards with wing ball skills.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Imo, Moss will be a terrific player at Iowa. He is not the pure shooter that PJ is, but he is a better athlete (quicker) and can score in more ways than PJ can. Moss will play better defense than PJ ever has, but he hasn't incurred the injuries that PJ has had to deal with. Also Moss, like PJ, appears to be a dead eye ft shooter which bodes well for having him on the court at crunch times. While Moss is not the pure shooter that PJ is, Moss will probably match or exceeds PJ's ppg during his Jr. and Sr. years.

 

[33hawkfan]

Imo, Moss will be a terrific player at Iowa. He is not the pure shooter that PJ is, but he is a better athlete (quicker) and can score in more ways than PJ can. Moss will play better defense than PJ ever has, but he hasn't incurred the injuries that PJ has had to deal with. Also Moss, like PJ, appears to be a dead eye ft shooter which bodes well for having him on the court at crunch times. While Moss is not the pure shooter that PJ is, Moss will probably match or exceeds PJ's ppg during his Jr. and Sr. years.

Not happening. Jok averaged 16 ppg last year and might lead the B10 in scoring this year, it wouldn't shock me to see him end up in the 22+ ppg range for the season. There's only a handful of players in the history of Iowa basketball that have put up numbers in that range, to say that Moss will probably match or exceed that is crazy.

 

[Big_Palooka]

I have seen enough of Uhl to know there is no up side. He is a good sub for Baer for those hustle / garbage minutes, but we need more than one perimeter threat on the floor to take some pressure off of Jok. .

I consider Uhl somewhat of a threat from outside. He isn't going to create his own shot outside or come around a screen and pull up for a jumper; but a defense can't slack off him on the perimeter. He shot 24 for 52 (46.2%) from 3 pt range last year.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Can we compare freshman Jok to freshman Moss without presuming the results will be identical? But I get what you are saying, just don't see how we get to where we all understand each other without using player comparisons. Besides, if we're going to urge restraint I have suggested for a long time that the Oglesby comparisons have become rather old.

You can compare them if you like but unless Moss sat out with a 2 year knee injury in high school, it doesn't make much sense.
It is going to mislead some people.

 

[CanadaHawk]

You can compare them if you like but unless Moss sat out with a 2 year knee injury in high school, it doesn't make much sense.
It is going to mislead some people.

I think you're saying that Jok had a higher end potential before the injury and has come close to that potential as he's gotten healthy. So we shouldn't compare him to Moss who never was never rated quite as high?

The biggest things I'm comparing between the 2 are their aggressive scoring natures and, going with that for them, a reluctance to pass the ball as young players. I've done this to show that both are a type of player Fran appreciates. It's bit premature to think Moss will get 16ppg as a junior. But it was premature to expect that from Jok as a frosh as well- injury or no.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I think you're saying that Jok had a higher end potential before the injury and has come close to that potential as he's gotten healthy. So we shouldn't compare him to Moss who never was never rated quite as high?

The biggest things I'm comparing between the 2 are their aggressive scoring natures and, going with that for them, a reluctance to pass the ball as young players. I've done this to show that both are a type of player Fran appreciates. It's bit premature to think Moss will get 16ppg as a junior. But it was premature to expect that from Jok as a frosh as well- injury or no.

Pretty much. I would also say that I haven't seen many guys that could shoot from everywhere on the court, from set positions or off the bounce like Jok can. It's so difficult to guard a guy like that.
I'm e excited from Moss but we're not likely to see a guy like Jok come through the program any time soon. IMO. Who was our last 20 ppg scorer? Woolridge?

 

[33hawkfan]

Pretty much. I would also say that I haven't seen many guys that could shoot from everywhere on the court, from set positions or off the bounce like Jok can. It's so difficult to guard a guy like that.
I'm e excited from Moss but we're not likely to see a guy like Jok come through the program any time soon. IMO. Who was our last 20 ppg scorer? Woolridge?

Haluska, 20.5 ppg as a senior.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Haluska, 20.5 ppg as a senior.

Haluska, 20.5 ppg as a senior.

Nice catch. I remember Haluska putting up good numbers here but I didn't recall him getting 20 per.
That's Haluska, Woolridge and Roy Marble Sr since 1986. Unless I'm forgetting someone else.

 

[unIowa]

Why do you think that is? That there's no way we were going to red shirt him? Out of curiosity. I know it's a moot point and I don't want to get into a long debate.

Because there is no one behind Williams at the PG spot.

 

[unIowa]

Jok, Moss, and Ellingson aren't PG's. After Williams, we'd have no one else to run point.

Which is while Uhl will also keep getting larger minutes. I actually trust him more than JoBo right now bringing the call up the court.

 

[DanL53]

You can compare them if you like but unless Moss sat out with a 2 year knee injury in high school, it doesn't make much sense.
It is going to mislead some people.

I make no claim to lead anyone anywhere by making player comparisons. Right now, as freshmen, Moss reminds me of Jok. Now, where you or anyone else chooses to go with that, is up to you or them.

They both were/are shoot first and figure it out later guys. I like the aggression. To say Moss reminds me of Jok doesn't mean they are twins, or share the same history.

I'll never understand how saying things like:

This guy reminds me of that guy.

Or:

Garza reminds me of Krafcisin, and Happ, and Kevin McHale. And, he may turn out as good.

Or:

It's my GUESS that this guy or that could be good because imo I see...

Anyway, I don't know how any of those confuse people, or paint me in a corner that so often posters try to paint me in.

1) You don't think Moss has similarities in his freshman season to Jok? Do I HAVE to remind people Jok was injured in high school? Don't they know that?
2) I stand by my statement that Garza could turn out as good as guys in that group. Pretty wide range don't you think?
3) If anyone says they are expressing an opinion, even using the word "guessing", why should they be accused of getting hopes up? Unless maybe people have read my guesses before and know that I'm right more often than not? (Yeah, a little ego there, I know.)

A simple suggestion, if you disagree, go with it! But please don't try to edit my opinions by pretending something I say carries any more weight than just another poster. In the end it just works out that you, or sometimes other guys I had to put on ignore, are telling me to shut up. I know you don't mean it, but think about it. "It is going to mislead some people"? I hardly think anyone is following my posts without coming to their own conclusions.

Thanks bud We're both Hawkeye fans. This is just a sports forum, we're not getting paid to say what we think.

 

[unIowa]

Imo, Moss will be a terrific player at Iowa. He is not the pure shooter that PJ is, but he is a better athlete (quicker) and can score in more ways than PJ can. Moss will play better defense than PJ ever has, but he hasn't incurred the injuries that PJ has had to deal with. Also Moss, like PJ, appears to be a dead eye ft shooter which bodes well for having him on the court at crunch times. While Moss is not the pure shooter that PJ is, Moss will probably match or exceeds PJ's ppg during his Jr. and Sr. years.

I was with you right up until the end.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I was with you right up until the end.

Agree. It's pretty tough to be a 20+ppg for the season scorer at the power 5 basketball level. Iowa has had very few of them in the past 30 years.

 

[LaoHawk]

With Fran on board, I expect at least once every 7 years, then after 7 years here, and 1 every 5 years, then after a B1G championship, 1 every 4 years.