Isaiah Moss
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Agree with you on this. It took Jok two years in the program working hard on his game, conditioning, and attitude to experience success last year. He is off to a great start this year and has as pure of a stroke as you will find in the college game.
The problem remains lack of a supporting cast. There is nobody else on the team (maybe Baer) who has shown they can knock down enough shots to keep their defender from leaving to help on Jok. Moss will never have a stroke like Jok's, but he has a better all around court game in my opinion, just needs a chance to show it. Keep in mind Moss has primarily played in scrub time with the other reserves. Put him out there opposite Jok with Williams, Cook and Baer and you have a very athletic lineup with 5 guys capable of creating their own shots.
Wait. There is nobody but Baer to be Jok's supporting cast. But if we play Moss then Jok has four guys with him that can create shots?
Uhl has played 73 minutes and scored 25 points. Moss has played 43 minutes and scored 25 points. I get they do not play the same position, but it's about productivity. Uhl is McCabe 2.0. Gets a ton of minutes, produces little / nothing and does things throughout the game that make me want to throw my remote.
Fran keeps talking this guy up and I don't get it. Even in the invisible stats coaches talk about, Unl does not contribute. If we start tracking bunnies missed and rebounds muffed, he would be leading the conference, possibly the nation. Time to turn the page and distribute his minutes to others. Dude is a junior and should be stepping up in some capacity outside of hairstyle changes.
Fran keeps talking this guy up and I don't get it. Even in the invisible stats coaches talk about, Unl does not contribute. If we start tracking bunnies missed and rebounds muffed, he would be leading the conference, possibly the nation. Time to turn the page and distribute his minutes to others. Dude is a junior and should be stepping up in some capacity outside of hairstyle changes.
He's also our leading rebounder so there's that
So let's clear the air. You are a message board troll who snipes people's threads with moronic responses. I get it. That's your deal. "Positionless basketball" right. Since I really do not care for your moronic rants, stay out of my threads and I will reciprocate.
Just because it is the holiday season, I will offer one more free enlightenment lesson. If you put Moss on the floor that gives us another shooter so we can spread the floor. Spreading the floor makes it harder for defenders to shade Jok. This in turn makes it harder to double team Cook, which might give Baer open looks or Williams / Moss opportunities to drive.
Since you are ok with insulting me. I'll ask one more question.
What's wrong with a guy shooting over 60% from three and scoring over 8 points in around 12 mpg spreading the floor?Now, no I'm not going to stop expressing my opinions. You can call them, and me all the names you want. Just doesn't matter. Sorry. Well, no, I'm not.
Weird thing is the thread was started by someone going by "wartdog". I don't know how that translates to Ihawkhoops owning it. Me, I'm not going anywhere.
Since you are ok with insulting me. I'll ask one more question.
Now, no I'm not going to stop expressing my opinions. You can call them, and me all the names you want. Just doesn't matter. Sorry. Well, no, I'm not.
Dan.....please keep expressing your BB opinions because I for one find your posts ...well, extremely BB intelligent. Or as Fran would say, extremely cerebral
...Don't know what this means about ihawkhoops posts but I don't think he's moronic, I just disagree with him, especially about Dom Uhl's value to this team. No need to call folks names either, I agree with that.
You folks can banter back and forth all you'd like but we are only 4 friggin games into this season.....holy smokes.
At the end of the day imo, the only stat that really matters at this point to benchmark success or the quality of play compared to other teams or players in the B1G is really scoring margin - offense vs defense. It's hard to do this too cause there is the risk of who teams are playing which has an impact on this stat.
As an example, the Illini leads this stat below but the Illini have played some very marginal teams at best below and this stat is before tonight's games.
I just watched them get punked on their home floor by a team named Winthrop....and they gave up 84 points too. Got beat behind a sensational effort by Winthrop's 5'7"....yes, that is right...5'7" point guard named Keon Johnson who pored in 38 points. Unbelievable performance....I can't say this enough. This happens in college BB...the little guy was again just punking the Illini all over the court. Could not stop the little guy and real fun to watch him. Remember that name.
Also, Nebby, Rutgers, Minny really haven't played anyone either,
Point is.....a lot of you are getting worked up on this or that. Again, it's very early in the season, give some players and this team some rope but this Iowa team with a scoring margin of 17.3 with a game under it's belt against a very good Seton Hall team is pretty darn good.
This stat below to date is telling me a lot and of course, we need to improve on the D but this team is scoring 96.3 points per game.....wow...with Dom Uhl starting too. Imagine that?
These players you are talking about are very young and experienced with PT for the most part and will get better. Give em some rope....please.
Carry on and Dan..... please keep posting.
ILLINOIS (4-1)
Southeast Missouri State (W 81-62)
Northern Kentucky (W 79-64)
McKendree (W 112-65)
Detroit Mercy (W 89-69)
Winthrop (L 84-80 in OT)
SCORING MARGIN G OFFENSE DEFENSE MARGIN
1. Illinois 4 90.3 65.0 +25.3
2. Nebraska 3 72.7 51.0 +21.7
Indiana 3 96.7 75.0 +21.7
4. Michigan 4 77.0 59.5 +17.5
Rutgers 4 79.3 61.8 +17.5
6. Iowa 4 96.3 79.0 +17.3
7. Purdue 3 83.0 66.7 +16.3
8. Maryland 4 75.5 60.5 +15.0
9. Minnesota 4 85.5 70.8 +14.8
10. Northwestern 3 82.7 68.3 +14.3
11. Wisconsin 4 72.3 59.8 +12.5
12. Ohio State 4 71.3 59.0 +12.3
13. Michigan State 4 72.3 66.0 +6.3
14. Penn State 5 73.2 77.2 -4.0
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No worries. I've just crossed over the 10,000 post mark. I think I'm hooked.
And, I don't want to argue with anyone. If folks pay close attention I don't call anybody a name unless I get called one, and even then it takes awhile before I think it is worth it.
The problem is, sometimes my attempts at humor must be a bit more cutting than I intend.
Edu, your posts are always interesting and that last one had some great stuff in it. We're gonna get a good look at if we've progressed a bit and how far this coming weekend. I still believe we can steal some wins in this nonconference that we aren't expected to get. We don't have to be perfect, just good enough.
And, I don't want to argue with anyone. If folks pay close attention I don't call anybody a name unless I get called one, and even then it takes awhile before I think it is worth it.
The problem is, sometimes my attempts at humor must be a bit more cutting than I intend.
Edu, your posts are always interesting and that last one had some great stuff in it. We're gonna get a good look at if we've progressed a bit and how far this coming weekend. I still believe we can steal some wins in this nonconference that we aren't expected to get. We don't have to be perfect, just good enough.
Thanks Dan....a lot of us on this board pay attention to a lot of things college BB wise and watch a lot of games too. I respect a lot of folks opinions and like you say a lot, it's OK to disagree too.
This Iowa team at 4 games in is well ahead of where I thought they'd be and the Seton Hall/Iowa game was one of the better most entertaining games I've seen played yet this season.... some monster plays for both teams. SH had about 3 Keon Johnsons on their team.....that's real tough to stop and they were all bigger than 5'7".
Fans should be very excited about where this Iowa team is at 3-1.
Bohannon and Williams are first year co-starters. Don't look at missed shots or turn overs - they will happen. Look at the potential and both of them have ton of it. I will love to have Bohannon in the game last 3 minutes when we need free throws. Williams is fearless and when the game slows down for him and he plays much more in control, his game will be beautiful. Enjoy Hawkeyes!
Our problem now with playing 12 players is that we are taking a lot of bad shots, because everyone wants to score and get more playing time. That cannot continue.
Second problem is rebounding and I hope Cook improves soon - he has not idea right now how to box out and fight for a rebound.
Second problem is rebounding and I hope Cook improves soon - he has not idea right now how to box out and fight for a rebound.
My mind set with this team is to sit back and watch and enjoy the development. I'm not getting too high or low because there will be highs and lows. This freshman class might go down as one of our best ever and that includes Moss.
It's key that Williams, Bohannon and Moss develop. If they do look out because we have the frontcourt covered for the next few years.
One of these years Fran will land a Tyler Ulis and Charlie Moore type.
It's key that Williams, Bohannon and Moss develop. If they do look out because we have the frontcourt covered for the next few years.
One of these years Fran will land a Tyler Ulis and Charlie Moore type.
I don't consider 18 minutes a ton...in fact he isn't even getting starter minutes as all 4 of the others have played more. Yes UHL is a junior....that is just starting his junior year.
Produces little? so rebounding doesn't count? I understand your point (you don't think much of Dom Uhl) but in typical form...your disdain for him leads to your exaggeration.
I think Moss has a good upside and hope he continues to see minutes "every" game. I don't see the need to pit a 6'9" forward vs. a 6'5" shooting guard. We need both to improve their game.
Agree with the above posters, you're one of the few bright spots on here.
I just read the earlier post''''''come on admit it...you are a troll.
... you & your insane positionless basketball.Anyone watch OklaSt & UConn last night? First....what a war. Talk about laying it all out. Anyway...both teams on defensive rebounds did not look for their "point" guard...other than one big for UConn who couldn't dribble...whoever got the ball...took off. In fact both teams had multiple ball handlers...get it & go ball handlers.
I remember Iowa was looking at a kid named Vital...he came off UConn's bench (transferred) from UNLV...kid can play...
I just read the earlier post''''''come on admit it...you are a troll.
Anyone watch OklaSt & UConn last night? First....what a war. Talk about laying it all out. Anyway...both teams on defensive rebounds did not look for their "point" guard...other than one big for UConn who couldn't dribble...whoever got the ball...took off. In fact both teams had multiple ball handlers...get it & go ball handlers.
I remember Iowa was looking at a kid named Vital...he came off UConn's bench (transferred) from UNLV...kid can play...
I wanted to watch that game Bob but couldn't get to it. Thanks for the info on it though.
This is tBest time of the year for me with all the Holiday Hoops sprinkled in with the Nebby/Iowa Black Friday game. Can't get away from the TV or my computer which I watch a lot of games on.
Today's lineup is interesting in the B1G....go catch a game or two.
ND/NW at 5:00 pm CST on ESPN 2 - Check out two of our opponents
Stony Brook/Terps - 6:00 pm CST - BTN
Arkansas/Minny - 7:00 pm CST - ESPN 3
Georgetown/Wisky - 7:00 pm CST - Maui Classic - ESPN 2
Utah St/Purdue - 7:30 pm CST - Cancun Challenge - CBSSN
IPFW/IU - 8:00 pm CST - and of course BTN not BTN plus...do their fans ever have to watch a BB game on tPlus?
Ok, you guys win. You are right and I am wrong. We don't need a PG or any other positions. Sort of like men's and women's restrooms, far too l
I stand corrected on Uhl not showing up in the stat line. This is like debating the value McCabe brought to the team. He hustles and gets rebounds, so therefore he should start and log major minutes. I disagree with this line of thinking. Uhl's shot remains erratic (made basket followed by air ball) and he has no interior game. He has not learned how to go up strong and I don't see him catching fire during the season.
If you want to see what we have seen for 2.5 years, which is a guy who shows up about 1 in 8 games, then so be it. I would rather see someone with a scoring mentality who will force the issue at times to keep the defense honest. What did we see the other night against Texas Rio Grande Technical College? Jok had what 14 of the first 20 points? Do you think that will fly against better teams who will be in Jok's jersey from the tip to the final buzzer?
Uhl is a passive, reactive player who isn't going to merit respect from opposing defenses. He is an athletic kid with length and hops, so no doubt he has potential, but I don't see this translating to results.
Moss is a scorer with some streetball in his game. Do I think he is the answer? Clearly not. He is raw and needs playing time, but he has the tools and mentality to attack the basket, which we are sorely lacking. Too many guys standing around on offense and nobody taking it at the defense.
I stand corrected on Uhl not showing up in the stat line. This is like debating the value McCabe brought to the team. He hustles and gets rebounds, so therefore he should start and log major minutes. I disagree with this line of thinking. Uhl's shot remains erratic (made basket followed by air ball) and he has no interior game. He has not learned how to go up strong and I don't see him catching fire during the season.
If you want to see what we have seen for 2.5 years, which is a guy who shows up about 1 in 8 games, then so be it. I would rather see someone with a scoring mentality who will force the issue at times to keep the defense honest. What did we see the other night against Texas Rio Grande Technical College? Jok had what 14 of the first 20 points? Do you think that will fly against better teams who will be in Jok's jersey from the tip to the final buzzer?
Uhl is a passive, reactive player who isn't going to merit respect from opposing defenses. He is an athletic kid with length and hops, so no doubt he has potential, but I don't see this translating to results.
Moss is a scorer with some streetball in his game. Do I think he is the answer? Clearly not. He is raw and needs playing time, but he has the tools and mentality to attack the basket, which we are sorely lacking. Too many guys standing around on offense and nobody taking it at the defense.
since you replied...who said anything about Uhl should "start and log major minutes"? .... we get it you don't think much of Uhl. OK then.
I just read the earlier post''''''come on admit it...you are a troll.
Anyone watch OklaSt & UConn last night? First....what a war. Talk about laying it all out. Anyway...both teams on defensive rebounds did not look for their "point" guard...other than one big for UConn who couldn't dribble...whoever got the ball...took off. In fact both teams had multiple ball handlers...get it & go ball handlers.
I remember Iowa was looking at a kid named Vital...he came off UConn's bench (transferred) from UNLV...kid can play...
we are not 2.5 years in....not even close 2 being half way thru the season...we r not even half way thru the non conference schedule
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I actually dont just go by it Dan. Its my full birthed Christian name.
Except when you are dead wrong like your Seton Hall analysis and prediction. Then you were no where to be found in that thread.
Bohannon should be starting over Williams Williams is bringing nothing as far as creativity or scoring to the point guard position at least Bohannan is a shooter will take some shots and eventually they'll start falling
I am starting to think this way too that despite some costly turnovers and having to learn how to play D at this level J Bo's game just offers a little more than Williams. That shot will be money in time and he does try to find teammates also.
I also think which this thread is all about that we should be putting Moss and possibly Dailey on the floor a lot more. Moss just offers more athletically and we are going to need his offense to develop to back fill Jok next year. We really need to accelerate his development. I'd start Moss at the 3 and bring Baer off the bench for energy. Baer is trying so hard but is having a hard time moving his feet defensively to cover athletic 3 men. Any dribble drive is right by him. Moss is more capable of playing D athletically.
Ellingson is doing a good job of hitting the 3 but just is not gifted enough to do much else. That's the issue with him.
Try this lineup....
Uhl
Cook
Moss
Jok
J Bohannen
Baer & Wagner top subs
I like inserting Bohannon, but keeping Uhl instead of Baer or Wagner isn't making the lineup better.
I'd like to see: JBO, Jok, Baer, Wagner, Cook starting. Moss, CW, and Pemsl first off bench. Uhl can come in here and there.
For the next game I'd start:
Kriener
Pemsl
Moss
Dailey
Bohannon
And I'd make sure the whole team understood that the lineups will now be determined by each player's defensive grade from the prior game. If you don't play defense, you don't play.
A big problem with this team is that Cook, Uhl, Baer, Wagner and Pemsel are all most suited to play the 4.
They are all good players but its not going to work.
They are all good players but its not going to work.
Why do some of you want Bohannon in the lineup? Because he is not Williams? Duh! He is a turnover waiting to happen about half the time and the other half he is 1-7. Defensively he is about half the defender that Williams is. Literally. And I LIKE the kid, he's just not ready-for-prime-time yet. Probably not all year unless something dramatic happens. He is definitely not the answer to who is Iowa's starting PG. That much is obvious.
Moss is another matter. That kid has showed something, especially on the defensive end. I think he could get more minutes if other more experienced players don't step up their game.
Moss is another matter. That kid has showed something, especially on the defensive end. I think he could get more minutes if other more experienced players don't step up their game.
I dont care whos minutes he takes, its crazy to not be playing Moss more.
We need allot more perimeter quickness, one or two of the multitude of power forwards is just not going to be able to see many minutes.
We need allot more perimeter quickness, one or two of the multitude of power forwards is just not going to be able to see many minutes.
I don't want him starting. But I don't want anyone starting that thinks defense is a Frenchman discussing chain link separation.
I have only seen two games, SH and UVA, so my opinion might be more negative than it should be. Iowa's defense is as bad as any I have seen by an Iowa team, and that goes back about 40 years. Until that changes, Iowa won't beat any good teams and will need Pete to shoot the light out to even beat average power conference teams. Maybe the coaches need to start the five who grade the highest on defense in the previous game, until the team gets it.
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