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Israel’s Nuclear Advisory Panel Endorses Iran Deal

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Countering Netanyahu, government and most of opposition, nation's Atomic Energy Commission maintains pact will prevent Tehran from developing nuclear bomb, source says.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918

In defense establishment discussions of the Iranian nuclear agreement, Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission, which advises the government on nuclear issues, has endorsed the pact, a source familiar with the commission’s stance told Haaretz Thursday. The panel’s position runs directly counter to that of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, cabinet ministers and most of the political opposition.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918
 
Netanyahu is in trouble for another reason. Apparently he is a little bit of a Holocaust denier of a certain sort. He claims Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews and somehow that got turned into exterminate. Not as a clerical transcription error however, but as a favor to Jerusalem's Grand Mufti at the time. Now why would Netanyahu possibly want to shift blame for the final solution from Hitler to a Palestinian? One can only wonder.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
 
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Countering Netanyahu, government and most of opposition, nation's Atomic Energy Commission maintains pact will prevent Tehran from developing nuclear bomb, source says.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918

In defense establishment discussions of the Iranian nuclear agreement, Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission, which advises the government on nuclear issues, has endorsed the pact, a source familiar with the commission’s stance told Haaretz Thursday. The panel’s position runs directly counter to that of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, cabinet ministers and most of the political opposition.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918
They are Nazis
 
Netanyahu is in trouble for another reason. Apparently he is a little bit of a Holocaust denier of a certain sort. He claims Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews and somehow that got turned into exterminate. Not as a clerical transcription error however, but as a favor to Jerusalem's Grand Mufti at the time. Now why would Netanyahu possibly want to shift blame for the final solution from Hitler to a Palestinian? One can only wonder.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
Actually Netanyahu is not all wrong here. You should research the Evian Conference.
 
Well, I guess that is better than poisoning him so that he "suddenly" passes in the night. This way its a natural cause of death. I'm calling the over/under at 6 months.

According to St. Malachy and Nostradamus he is the last Pope before the fall.

The end is nigh....!
 
Actually Netanyahu is not all wrong here. You should research the Evian Conference.

On Tuesday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered an address to the World Zionist Congress in which he made the very controversial claim that the Holocaust was instigated by a leading Palestinian cleric.

Netanyahu cited a well-known 1941 meeting between Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, who had fled to Germany and was colluding with the Nazis. My colleague William Booth reported on Netanyahu's speech, which hinged on this key statement:

“Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they'll all come here.’ ‘So what should I do with them?’ he asked. He said, ‘Burn them.’"

Netanyahu said the Mufti of Jerusalem had “a central role in fomenting the Final Solution.”

The point of this history lesson was simple: Netanyahu has frequently sought to characterize Palestinian hostility and violence toward Israel not as a product of current political conditions — which he would then have to reckon with — but of a somehow innate, ancient Arab hatred of Jews.

[The murky story behind Netanyahu's Holocaust claim]

The backlash to the speech has been both swift and prolonged. The Israeli opposition panned Netanyahu's contention as "dangerous historical distortion." Others have likened it to a form of Holocaust denial, which is technically a crime in Israel. A spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel was compelled to remind the world that, indeed, the Holocaust was Germany's fault: "All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilization that was the Holocaust," said Steffen Seibert.

And the chief historian of Yad Vashem, Israel's official Holocaust memorial, deemed the Israeli leader's revisionism as "completely erroneous, on all counts."

"Hitler did not need anyone to encourage the Final Solution," Dina Porat, who is also a senior historian at Tel Aviv University, told the Israeli daily Haaretz. "In terms of the facts, there’s no debate ... all these actions, Hitler’s obsessions, have no link to the mufti." Porat told the Israeli newspaper that the mufti's alleged remarks are not in the recorded minutes.

There is, to be sure, a fair amount of historical research into the mufti's ideological proclivities and his abhorrent views toward Europe's Jews. He helped the Nazis with wartime propaganda directed toward Muslims and called for the destruction of Jewish settlements in Palestine in radio broadcasts. But there is scant evidence that he encouraged the Final Solution or that Hitler even asked the mufti for his advice.

Nevertheless, the meeting has accrued a special political valence now: It's the seminal moment for the advent of "Islamofascism," a concept sometimes invoked by Netanyahu, his supporters and American neoconservatives when speaking of the evils of Islamist extremism.

While a convenient ideological scarecrow, it totally obscures the real forces that drew someone like Husseini into the Nazi orbit around World War II.

At the time, Palestine was under British mandate, a colonial context that Palestinians feared would lead to their dispossession. The British were themselves well aware of Arab grievances in the face of Jewish migration.

"An irrepressible conflict has arisen between two national communities within the narrow bounds of one small country," reported the 1937 Peel Commission, which proposed a partition of the territory that would give the new Jewish state most of the coastline and the country's most fertile agricultural lands. "About 1,000,000 Arabs are in strife, open or latent, with some 400,000 Jews. There is no common ground in between them."

The mufti's meeting with Hitler was mostly about Husseini's own desire to secure national status for his people and be recognized as a future Arab leader. On both counts, he would be disappointed, as the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum itself explains:

He also sought public approval from the Axis powers for an independent Arab state or federation to "remove" or "eliminate" the proposed Jewish homeland in Palestine. He made this declaration a condition for the awaited general uprising in the Arab world. The Germans, and Hitler in particular, repeatedly denied al-Husseini's request for legitimization. They were reluctant to initiate unnecessary disputes with Italy or Vichy France, harbored doubts about the extent of al-Husseini's actual authority in the Arab world, and had reservations about making long-term statements regarding areas of the world beyond the reach of German arms.

As the Israeli historian Tom Segev writes, Husseini wanted a "kind of German Balfour declaration for the Arabs," referring to the 1917 British decree that sanctioned the creation of "a national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.

"Hitler refused to sign such a document. Foolishly, Husseini agreed to have his picture taken with Hitler, which has haunted the Palestinian cause ever since," Segev concludes.

It's also important to note that Husseini was just one of many political figures from parts of the colonial world who saw political gain in allying with the Axis powers.

[Don't forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler]

In hindsight, World War II lends itself to a simple, stark binary as a conflict between genocidal fascists and their opponents. But for myriad communities that experienced the invasions of the Germans and Japanese, the war offered something else — the prospect of liberation from other occupying empires.

This led to all sorts of brief alliances: Bosnian Muslim regiments in the Waffen SS; Romanians, Hungarians, Ukrainians and other Eastern European nationalists collaborating with the Nazis; Indian freedom fighters taking up arms against the British with Japanese aid.

Hoping to maintain support in parts of the world still occupied by Britain, the Nazi propaganda apparatus specifically tried to avoid offending Arabs while denouncing Jews, their fellow Semites. In 1943, the Nazis printed a million copies of this rather laughable pamphlet to Muslim Arabs, calling on them to rise up and defeat Dajjal, a supposedly evil false prophet:

O Arabs, do you see that the time of the Dajjal has come? Do you recognize him, the fat, curly-haired Jew who deceives and rules the whole world and who steals the land of the Arabs?… O Arabs, do you know the servant of God? He [Hitler] has already appeared in the world and already turned his lance against the Dajjal and his allies…. He will kill the Dajjal, as it is written, destroy his places and cast his allies into hell.

It's a document that historians now see less as proof of some fundamental connection between the Nazis and the Islamic world than as yet another example of how world powers play geopolitics abroad. Indeed, when you consider the United States' own anti-Soviet propaganda efforts in Afghanistan not so long ago, there are immediate and rather chilling echoes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mufti-allied-with-hitler-its-not-so-shocking/
 
According to St. Malachy and Nostradamus he is the last Pope before the fall.

The end is nigh....!
For real? I love this stuff. Do you know how the prophesies break down? Maybe we could get an OiT explanation.
 
Countering Netanyahu, government and most of opposition, nation's Atomic Energy Commission maintains pact will prevent Tehran from developing nuclear bomb, source says.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918

In defense establishment discussions of the Iranian nuclear agreement, Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission, which advises the government on nuclear issues, has endorsed the pact, a source familiar with the commission’s stance told Haaretz Thursday. The panel’s position runs directly counter to that of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, cabinet ministers and most of the political opposition.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681918
Clearly they are self-hating Jews.
 
Netanyahu is in trouble for another reason. Apparently he is a little bit of a Holocaust denier of a certain sort. He claims Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews and somehow that got turned into exterminate. Not as a clerical transcription error however, but as a favor to Jerusalem's Grand Mufti at the time. Now why would Netanyahu possibly want to shift blame for the final solution from Hitler to a Palestinian? One can only wonder.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
As I understand it there's plenty of documentation that Hitler initially sought to expel Jews and tried to arrange passage to Palestine. The nations he contacted to facilitate that passage turned him down. Makes you wonder what would have happened if he had gotten the permissions and help he asked for. Would millions of Jews have been deported instead of murdered? Would that change our view of WWII in any way?
 
As I understand it there's plenty of documentation that Hitler initially sought to expel Jews and tried to arrange passage to Palestine. The nations he contacted to facilitate that passage turned him down. Makes you wonder what would have happened if he had gotten the permissions and help he asked for. Would millions of Jews have been deported instead of murdered? Would that change our view of WWII in any way?
Without the holocaust, the UN probably doesn't create the state of Israel. Now I could certainly imagine all those refugees eventually creating their own state, they may just be the more obvious aggressors. If that happened, I'm not sure a whole lot would be consequentially different from our current world aside from likely many millions more Jews in the world.

I'm not a great WWII historian however. Did the holocaust significantly help or hinder the Nazi war effort?
 
OMG, this is GOLD! What a fun read.

Did you get this part?

"There is a seven-year period that will begin upon the signing of a Palestinian-Israeli peace agreement. The reign of the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be terminated at the end of this seven-year period. "

That has some interesting ramifications for any mideast peace deal. I also think it's pretty interesting that evangelicals are now backing Carson too. His Seventh Day Adventist Church has a fairly unique take on this very topic.
 
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OMG, this is GOLD! What a fun read.

Did you get this part?

"There is a seven-year period that will begin upon the signing of a Palestinian-Israeli peace agreement. The reign of the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be terminated at the end of this seven-year period. "

That has some interesting ramifications for any mideast peace deal. I also think it's pretty interesting that evangelicals are now backing Carson too. His Seventh Day Adventist Church has a fairly unique take on this very topic.

It is entertaining. The Catholic Church views it as entertaining as well. For the most part.
 
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Months before Hitler met with Haj Amin al-Husseini, he was saying stuff like:

“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it.”

That doesn't sound like a guy who wants Jews to establish a foothold elsewhere.
 
Some of the stuff I have read about Nazi anti-Semitism is so hard for me to grasp. I cannot imagine having such a hatred for people. I'm thankful for that. Anyone ever seen the HBO Film "Conspiracy" about the Wannsee Conference in January 1942? I dunno how accurate it was- the source was limited- but, man, did they have a huge dislike for Ashkenazi Jews! I think they were threatened by their achievements. I'm sure it went to Sephardic as well. That film depicted a plan for an entire, global annihilation of all of them. Again, it was a theatrical depiction and certainly not without some bias.
 
Some of the stuff I have read about Nazi anti-Semitism is so hard for me to grasp. I cannot imagine having such a hatred for people. I'm thankful for that. Anyone ever seen the HBO Film "Conspiracy" about the Wannsee Conference in January 1942? I dunno how accurate it was- the source was limited- but, man, did they have a huge dislike for Ashkenazi Jews! I think they were threatened by their achievements. I'm sure it went to Sephardic as well. That film depicted a plan for an entire, global annihilation of all of them. Again, it was a theatrical depiction and certainly not without some bias.
It starts by thinking people have souls with inherent characteristics.
 
It starts by thinking people have souls with inherent characteristics.
Well, we do have souls. I'm not sure about the inherent characteristics, exactly. Yes, even YOU, Naturalmwa, has a soul. A wonderful, creative, eternal soul. You're a 3-part being- Mind, Body and Soul. It doesn't matter of you believe me. I will believe for you. This understanding has absolutely nothing to do with religion, except in the sense that religions have sprung-up in an effort to try to help make people understand it. They aren't always effective, unfortunately. But, we all carry on.

I'm not sure how being aware of having a soul makes one hate groups of people. In fact, I'd have to say that my awareness does the exact opposite... in abundance. I think the Germans/Nazis saw the Jewish inferiority as more of a genetic/biological thing. I dunno for sure. I don't really care because I don't think they, or anyone, is inferior.

The sweat lodge might be a good place for you to visit. Experience life as being more than simply "this way" or "that way." There's more than just what your mind and your body senses.
 
Well, we do have souls. I'm not sure about the inherent characteristics, exactly. Yes, even YOU, Naturalmwa, has a soul. A wonderful, creative, eternal soul. You're a 3-part being- Mind, Body and Soul. It doesn't matter of you believe me. I will believe for you. This understanding has absolutely nothing to do with religion, except in the sense that religions have sprung-up in an effort to try to help make people understand it. They aren't always effective, unfortunately. But, we all carry on.

I'm not sure how being aware of having a soul makes one hate groups of people. In fact, I'd have to say that my awareness does the exact opposite... in abundance. I think the Germans/Nazis saw the Jewish inferiority as more of a genetic/biological thing. I dunno for sure. I don't really care because I don't think they, or anyone, is inferior.

The sweat lodge might be a good place for you to visit. Experience life as being more than simply "this way" or "that way." There's more than just what your mind and your body senses.

That's deep, man. Although I don't have to go to any sweat lodge. I had a life-changing moment in the back of a pickup truck in 1977.
 
Well, we do have souls. I'm not sure about the inherent characteristics, exactly. Yes, even YOU, Naturalmwa, has a soul. A wonderful, creative, eternal soul. You're a 3-part being- Mind, Body and Soul. It doesn't matter of you believe me. I will believe for you. This understanding has absolutely nothing to do with religion, except in the sense that religions have sprung-up in an effort to try to help make people understand it. They aren't always effective, unfortunately. But, we all carry on.

I'm not sure how being aware of having a soul makes one hate groups of people. In fact, I'd have to say that my awareness does the exact opposite... in abundance. I think the Germans/Nazis saw the Jewish inferiority as more of a genetic/biological thing. I dunno for sure. I don't really care because I don't think they, or anyone, is inferior.

The sweat lodge might be a good place for you to visit. Experience life as being more than simply "this way" or "that way." There's more than just what your mind and your body senses.
Hitler explained it to you: "If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it is in his soul."

The concept of the soul means you don't have to look at the actions to find fault with a person. You are allowed to find fault with their essence. All of these esoteric notions that we are more than what we are materially made of are destructive. They forgive and justify atrocities by making this existance just a gateway and putting faith in some grand magical universal justice system. If you want to be fully human, give up this idea that you are more than human.
 
All of these esoteric notions that we are more than what we are materially made of are destructive.

No...no, they are really the opposite. If you want to use Adolf Hitler as an example, or the standard by which to measure or determine the reality of a soul, then you have my sympathies.

We are absolutely more than this shell. Just because some people choose to inflict pain, misery, or exhibit superiority of any kind, over other humans doesn't prove we lack a soul. In fact, we are souls that merely have bodies and minds for a little while. So, Hitler even missed the mark there as well.

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Hitler didn't "explain it to me" at all. Hitler made a very inaccurate assumption. It wasn't based on the soul at all. If he were truly in touch with his own soul, he would never have felt any compulsion to harm another human being, for harming them means harming yourself. Maybe he explained it to you, but he sure didn't explain it to me.
 
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What do you mean when you say "soul"? (Yes strumm, definitions are important.) Most of the descriptions of a soul that I've encountered imbue it with all the essential characteristics of the person. The knowledge, memories, ethics, dreams, etc. IMO materialism clearly indicates the seat for all this is the brain. That's observational, you can chemically remove a memory, cut out knowledge with a knife. So when that bit of meat in your head rots, what qualities do you think remain for the soul?

Additionally your article doesn't provide evidence of the soul. It leaps to that unsupported conclusion out of bias.
 
Here are some examples. Don't be so lazy just because it's Saturday.
I don't particularly mind being pointed to good answers, but the definition at the top and some of links I spot-checked simply are not responsive. I could get a whole lot more substance from reading Carlos Castenada.

That said, I actually liked the Jehovah's Witness view here

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-a-soul-spirit-meaning/

But what I like about it is it's very mundanity. A soul is a person, or an animal, or a life. Just a poetic synonym for real things that already have names. Not something mystical . . . or different.

The JW view concludes with this

A further study of God’s Word will show you that nowhere in the entire Bible are the terms “immortal” or “everlasting” linked with the word “soul.” Instead, the Scriptures state that a soul is mortal, meaning that it dies. (Ezekiel 18:4, 20) Therefore, the Bible calls someone who has died simply a “dead soul.”—Leviticus 21:11....

But here's my problem: this is clearly NOT what you and our other believers are talking about. So, again, what IS it?
 
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What do you mean when you say "soul"? (Yes strumm, definitions are important.) Most of the descriptions of a soul that I've encountered imbue it with all the essential characteristics of the person. The knowledge, memories, ethics, dreams, etc. IMO materialism clearly indicates the seat for all this is the brain. That's observational, you can chemically remove a memory, cut out knowledge with a knife. So when that bit of meat in your head rots, what qualities do you think remain for the soul?

Additionally your article doesn't provide evidence of the soul. It leaps to that unsupported conclusion out of bias.

Are you questioning Psychology Today?
 
Does the soul think? Does it remember? Look who's being lazy now?
The mind, body and soul make up the 3-part existence for all of us in the discussion here. The soul is eternal. The mind and body are not. So, does the soul think and remember? Sure.

I'm sorry that you need this to be explained or written-out like an algebra lesson. Or, that you need some source that you've already granted trust to authorize it. You don't trust me anyway, so, why would you even waste your time trying to get answers from me?
 
If you really, REALLY, want to know... don't ask me. Don't ask anyone else. Ask your own soul. I mean that, literally. You will get an answer.
I feel like I'm attending one of those seances where skeptics are ordered to leave the room because their vibrations will frighten off the spirits.

And that's about as much belief as this poorly-supported notion of an immortal soul deserves. It's all slippery claims and no proof.

A seeing person could do a better job of describing and demonstrating vision to the blind than believers can so describing and demonstrating the existence of a soul. A failing compounded when you won't even try.
 
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