It Was Only a Matter of Time Before Abortion Bans Killed Someone

[TennNole17]

And I answered about YOU. It's on you if you can't apply a little self reflection to see why I labeled you the way I did. If I misread you it's only because you made that stupid comment. Maybe think about what you say before you say it from now on

So…you misread her ….and then tell her to self reflect. Got it.

 

[nelly02]

So…you misread her ….and then tell her to self reflect. Got it.

Her comment was racist. If she's not a racist and what she said doesn't reflect who she is then maybe she should think of what she says before she says it. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ft254]

^^^^ Derp

Life threatening isn’t illegal any state. Do better than this Comrades

Can't reconcile you pro-lifers are in the in the 30% range.

Scream and holler, your days are in the sunset.

 

[goldmom]

And I answered about YOU. It's on you if you can't apply a little self reflection to see why I labeled you the way I did. If I misread you it's only because you made that stupid comment. Maybe think about what you say before you say it from now on

Aaaannnd maybe think about what you repeat from your own sites and baiters who tell you what to think and say. Use your brain instead of their words,

 

[goldmom]

Her comment was racist. If she's not a racist and what she said doesn't reflect who she is then maybe she should think of what she says before she says it. That's all I'm saying.

You have no idea what is racist but that may be because you parrot what the grifters TELL you to think - they depend on your willingness to be duped.
I reflect plenty on who I am. Let me know when you start doing the same.

 

[Joes Place]

Person claims to be empathetic towards another’s situation, but that empathy is invalidated by how someone votes?

Most certainly is.

She "forgets" all about the plight of others when voting for policies that harm them directly.

 

[TennNole17]

Most certainly is.

She "forgets" all about the plight of others when voting for policies that harm them directly.

That’s a horrible way to go through life. Enjoy

 

[Kelsers]

You have no idea what is racist but that may be because you parrot what the grifters TELL you to think - they depend on your willingness to be duped.
I reflect plenty on who I am. Let me know when you start doing the same.

Who was duped and voted for Trump twice? 🤣

 

[Joes Place]

That’s a horrible way to go through life.

I agree.
But some people insist on voting against what they claim they "believe" in, because they're programmed to do so.

 

[goldmom]

Most certainly is.

She "forgets" all about the plight of others when voting for policies that harm them directly.

I’m pro choice Joe. I’m sympathetic to the plight of women. How many times should I post it?
I do consider other issues more important and in that regard I am no different than most voters. Abortion is not the number one issue. Dems just wish it was.

 

[goldmom]

I agree.
But some people insist on voting against what they claim they "believe" in, because they're programmed to do so.

If you think that’s limited to one party I question your savvy.

 

[globalhawk]

I’m pro choice Joe. I’m sympathetic to the plight of women. How many times should I post it?
I do consider other issues more important and in that regard I am no different than most voters. Abortion is not the number one issue. Dems just wish it was.

Try harder.

 

[goldmom]

Try harder.

🙄

 

[globalhawk]

🙄

Don't you have me on ignore? Hahaha.

 

[goldmom]

Don't you have me on ignore? Hahaha.

Yep. But I’ll take your advice and try harder to ignore you. 😬

 

[globalhawk]

Yep. But I’ll take your advice and try harder to ignore you. 😬

I am okay with that. Edit: Love the cosplay though.

 

[jayhawks65]

Really? He defends the 100s of rapes commited in America by ILLEGALS every single day!

Rapes by illegals bad. Rapes by natives good? The logic here is crazy.

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

Rapes by illegals bad. Rapes by natives good? The logic here is crazy.

All rapes bad. More rapists = more rapes so let's add more rapists to the equation?

 

[franklinman]

Sue the shit out of them in federal court for violating EMTLA!

This was bound to happen when you take it out the hands of the doctors and the woman. It surely will happen again until changes are made so just get used to it.

 

[goldmom]

This was bound to happen when you take it out the hands of the doctors and the woman. It surely will happen again until changes are made so just get used to it.

Changed like a national campaign and discussion about preventing pregnancies.
It also has the benefit of helping to reduce STD’s.

I’m pro-choice but women relying on termination procedures aren’t doing their bodies any favors.
Men are half of this equation-are y’all stepping up?

 

[franklinman]

Changed like a national campaign and discussion about preventing pregnancies.
It also has the benefit of helping to reduce STD’s.

I’m pro-choice but women relying on termination procedures aren’t doing their bodies any favors.
Men are half of this equation-are y’all stepping up?

So, husbands and wifes should not plan on having kids anymore. If a pregnancies goes wrong just accept it and live with the consequence.

 

[goldmom]

So, husbands and wifes should not plan on having kids anymore. If a pregnancies goes wrong just accept it and live with the consequence.

If that’s what you took from this I can’t help you. At all.

 

[runkpanole]

This was bound to happen when you take it out the hands of the doctors and the woman. It surely will happen again until changes are made so just get used to it.

Absolutely. I don’t blame them, I blame the politicians, but when hospitals and physicians start engaging their state officials, it will force change towards appropriate compromises.

 

[Tom Paris]

You have no idea what is racist but that may be because you parrot what the grifters TELL you to think - they depend on your willingness to be duped.
I reflect plenty on who I am. Let me know when you start doing the same.

 

[goldmom]

Absolutely. I don’t blame them, I blame the politicians, but when hospitals and physicians start engaging their state officials, it will force change towards appropriate compromises.

The ONLY concern that a government should have is to require health facilities to maintain cleanliness, observe good standards for the health and safety of the public, and oversee licensing requirements for the staff and the hospitals.
Beyond that MYOB.

 

[runkpanole]

The ONLY concern that a government should have is to require health facilities to maintain cleanliness, observe good standards for the health and safety of the public, and oversee licensing requirements for the staff and the hospitals.
Beyond that MYOB.

Completely agree, but we’ve clearly moved beyond that.

 

[goldmom]

Completely agree, but we’ve clearly moved beyond that.

I’m voting YES on Amendment 4. If you live in Florida I presume you are as well. I don’t think it passes.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Joes Place]

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This is only going to get worse, unless Harris/Walz win and overturn these state bans w/ federal statutes.

 

[Joes Place]

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

It was inevitable, once Roe v. Wade was overturned and states started banning abortion, that women were going to die. Over the last two years, we’ve learned of countless close calls. In Oklahoma, 25-year-old Jaci Statton, sick and bleeding with a nonviable partial molar pregnancy, said medical staff told her to wait in a parking lot until she was “crashing” or on the verge of a heart attack. In Florida, Anya Cook was sent home from the hospital after her membranes ruptured at 16 weeks; she then nearly bled to death in the bathroom of a hair salon. Women in Texas and Louisiana have been denied treatment for life-threatening ectopic pregnancies.

And now ProPublica has identified at least two women who died “after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care.” According to ProPublica’s Kavitha Surana, “There are almost certainly others.”
On Monday, thanks to Surana, we learned the story of one of those women, Amber Nicole Thurman, an otherwise healthy 28-year-old medical assistant from Georgia with a 6-year-old son. In 2022, Thurman and her child had just moved out of her family’s place and into their own apartment, and she was planning to start nursing school. When she found out she was pregnant with twins, her best friend told ProPublica, she felt she needed an abortion to preserve her newfound stability, but Georgia had enacted a 6-week abortion ban, and she’d just passed the deadline.
She waited, hoping the law would be put on hold, but eventually she arranged babysitting, took time off from work and borrowed a car in order to get a surgical abortion in North Carolina. Though she and her best friend woke up at 4 a.m. for the drive, they hit terrible traffic on their way there. “The clinic couldn’t hold Thurman’s spot longer than 15 minutes — it was inundated with women from other states where bans had taken effect,” wrote Surana. It offered her a medication abortion instead.
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Eventually, suffering a severe infection, she passed out and ended up in a hospital in suburban Atlanta. She needed a D.&C., a procedure to empty the uterus, but doctors waited 20 hours to operate as her blood pressure sank, and her organs began to fail. According to Surana, Thurman’s last words to her mother were, “Promise me you’ll take care of my son.” A state medical review committee ruled her death “preventable.”
ProPublica didn’t discover exactly why doctors let Thurman’s condition deteriorate for so long without treating her, but it’s not a stretch to assume they were scared. As in other states where women have been denied routine abortion care, Georgia’s ban includes an exception for procedures “necessary in order to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or the substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.” But as we’ve seen again and again, hospitals aren’t sure how to interpret this language, especially with the threat of prison time hanging over everyone involved. So medical staff sometimes hesitate to act until the threat to a woman’s life is undeniable, at which point it may be too late.
The shattering fallout from abortion prohibition was entirely predictable for anyone who has paid attention to such bans in other countries. In Ireland, for example, 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar died of septicemia in 2012 after doctors refused to treat her for a miscarriage as long as her fetus had a heartbeat. Her case helped galvanize support for Ireland’s 2018 national referendum to make abortion legal, which passed in a landslide.
It’s too early to know whether Thurman’s death will have a similarly catalytic effect in the United States. I suspect that the anti-abortion movement will claim that she was killed by abortion pills and use her case to further its quest to outlaw them. “Mandate for Leadership,” the legislative agenda laid out by Project 2025, a coalition of conservative groups close to Donald Trump, calls on the F.D.A. to reverse its approval of “chemical abortion drugs.” It cites 26 deaths of women after taking mifepristone, the other drug in the medication abortion regimen.

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F.D.A. figures show that only half of those deaths — out of 4.9 million people who’ve used the medication — have anything to do with abortion. (Three of the cases, for example, are women who were confirmed or suspected homicide victims.) But the canard that abortion drugs are dangerous is a staple of anti-abortion propaganda, and conservatives may try to use it to deflect outrage over Thurman’s death.
No one should let them. All medications come with some risk, but abortion pills are safer than penicillin or Viagra and significantly less perilous than childbirth. The complications Thurman faced didn’t have to be deadly; a timely medical intervention could have saved her life. And as long as abortion bans persist, more women are likely to die the same way. Some probably already have. As Surana notes, state committees tasked with reviewing maternal mortality typically operate with a two-year lag, so experts are only just beginning to delve into the details of pregnancy-related deaths that have happened since Roe was overturned. ProPublica plans to publish an investigation into a second woman’s death soon.
For now, it shouldn’t take even more stories of senseless suffering for these cruel laws to become politically untenable. In Ireland, the name Savita became a rallying cry. The name Amber should be one here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/16/opinion/abortion-bans-death-thurman.html

How unfortunate. Those hospitals should have had better lawyers - lawyers who can actually read the law.

 

[Joes Place]

How unfortunate. Those hospitals should have had better lawyers - lawyers who can actually read the law.

They are following the laws - laws which are written so ambiguously they cannot act w/o risking the livelihoods of their staff physicians.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

They are following the laws - laws which are written so ambiguously they cannot act w/o risking the livelihoods of their staff physicians.

Nope. Certain “health care professionals” intentionally put women in danger in an effort to score PR points against the laws that were duly enacted by the elected representatives of the people. Sick leftist fvcks.

 

[abby97]

It was inevitable, once Roe v. Wade was overturned and states started banning abortion, that women were going to die. Over the last two years, we’ve learned of countless close calls. In Oklahoma, 25-year-old Jaci Statton, sick and bleeding with a nonviable partial molar pregnancy, said medical staff told her to wait in a parking lot until she was “crashing” or on the verge of a heart attack. In Florida, Anya Cook was sent home from the hospital after her membranes ruptured at 16 weeks; she then nearly bled to death in the bathroom of a hair salon. Women in Texas and Louisiana have been denied treatment for life-threatening ectopic pregnancies.

And now ProPublica has identified at least two women who died “after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care.” According to ProPublica’s Kavitha Surana, “There are almost certainly others.”
On Monday, thanks to Surana, we learned the story of one of those women, Amber Nicole Thurman, an otherwise healthy 28-year-old medical assistant from Georgia with a 6-year-old son. In 2022, Thurman and her child had just moved out of her family’s place and into their own apartment, and she was planning to start nursing school. When she found out she was pregnant with twins, her best friend told ProPublica, she felt she needed an abortion to preserve her newfound stability, but Georgia had enacted a 6-week abortion ban, and she’d just passed the deadline.
She waited, hoping the law would be put on hold, but eventually she arranged babysitting, took time off from work and borrowed a car in order to get a surgical abortion in North Carolina. Though she and her best friend woke up at 4 a.m. for the drive, they hit terrible traffic on their way there. “The clinic couldn’t hold Thurman’s spot longer than 15 minutes — it was inundated with women from other states where bans had taken effect,” wrote Surana. It offered her a medication abortion instead.
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Medication abortion is usually safe and effective, but in about 3 percent to 5 percent of cases, women end up needing either another dose of misoprostol, one of the two drugs in the regimen, or surgery. That’s what happened to Thurman. Days after taking her second pill, she was in pain and bleeding heavily. The clinic in North Carolina would have offered her free follow-up care, but it was too far away.
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Eventually, suffering a severe infection, she passed out and ended up in a hospital in suburban Atlanta. She needed a D.&C., a procedure to empty the uterus, but doctors waited 20 hours to operate as her blood pressure sank, and her organs began to fail. According to Surana, Thurman’s last words to her mother were, “Promise me you’ll take care of my son.” A state medical review committee ruled her death “preventable.”
ProPublica didn’t discover exactly why doctors let Thurman’s condition deteriorate for so long without treating her, but it’s not a stretch to assume they were scared. As in other states where women have been denied routine abortion care, Georgia’s ban includes an exception for procedures “necessary in order to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or the substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.” But as we’ve seen again and again, hospitals aren’t sure how to interpret this language, especially with the threat of prison time hanging over everyone involved. So medical staff sometimes hesitate to act until the threat to a woman’s life is undeniable, at which point it may be too late.
The shattering fallout from abortion prohibition was entirely predictable for anyone who has paid attention to such bans in other countries. In Ireland, for example, 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar died of septicemia in 2012 after doctors refused to treat her for a miscarriage as long as her fetus had a heartbeat. Her case helped galvanize support for Ireland’s 2018 national referendum to make abortion legal, which passed in a landslide.
It’s too early to know whether Thurman’s death will have a similarly catalytic effect in the United States. I suspect that the anti-abortion movement will claim that she was killed by abortion pills and use her case to further its quest to outlaw them. “Mandate for Leadership,” the legislative agenda laid out by Project 2025, a coalition of conservative groups close to Donald Trump, calls on the F.D.A. to reverse its approval of “chemical abortion drugs.” It cites 26 deaths of women after taking mifepristone, the other drug in the medication abortion regimen.

​

​

F.D.A. figures show that only half of those deaths — out of 4.9 million people who’ve used the medication — have anything to do with abortion. (Three of the cases, for example, are women who were confirmed or suspected homicide victims.) But the canard that abortion drugs are dangerous is a staple of anti-abortion propaganda, and conservatives may try to use it to deflect outrage over Thurman’s death.
No one should let them. All medications come with some risk, but abortion pills are safer than penicillin or Viagra and significantly less perilous than childbirth. The complications Thurman faced didn’t have to be deadly; a timely medical intervention could have saved her life. And as long as abortion bans persist, more women are likely to die the same way. Some probably already have. As Surana notes, state committees tasked with reviewing maternal mortality typically operate with a two-year lag, so experts are only just beginning to delve into the details of pregnancy-related deaths that have happened since Roe was overturned. ProPublica plans to publish an investigation into a second woman’s death soon.
For now, it shouldn’t take even more stories of senseless suffering for these cruel laws to become politically untenable. In Ireland, the name Savita became a rallying cry. The name Amber should be one here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/16/opinion/abortion-bans-death-thurman.html

How bout we compare the number of women who died while trying to get an abortion with the number of children who die as a result of an abortion?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Nope. Certain “health care professionals” intentionally put women in danger in an effort to score PR points against the laws that were duly enacted by the elected representatives of the people. Sick leftist fvcks.

You're so full of shit that I could screw your head off and scoop it out with a ladle.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

You're so full of shit that I could screw your head off and scoop it out with a ladle.

Doubtful. You’re not tall enough. Regardless, I’m spot on, as evidenced by your completely devoid-of-substance post.

 

[Joes Place]

Nope. Certain “health care professionals” intentionally put women in danger

Categorically false.
They are following the vague laws YOU vote in favor of, on the advice of their hospital legal counsel.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Categorically false.
They are following the vague laws YOU vote in favor of, on the advice of their hospital legal counsel.

Nope. The laws are quite specific, and anyone with minimal common sense would know that no one will be prosecuted for administering bonafide medical care. Your abortion colored glasses are clowning your vision.

 

[Joes Place]

Nope. The laws are quite specific

Fetal heartbeat laws are very specific

Others, are not. They are intentionally vague.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Nope. Certain “health care professionals” intentionally put women in danger in an effort to score PR points against the laws that were duly enacted by the elected representatives of the people. Sick leftist fvcks.

Sure, then go ahead and cite one solitary anecdote where a health care professional would put themselves in peril of being charged with a wrongful death and wanton medical negligence to score "PR points" against the laws. That's so absurd and laughable. You're nuts if you believe any of this horseshit.