Jack and Joe T

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Good videos. Jack looks bigger as has been rumored. Joey T certainly is cocky, and that's a good thing.

Both guys are kind of growing on me. If Jack is really a lot stronger he could be a huge force at the 4 spot. Almost always bigger than his opponent. Might have a respectable shot to keep the big boys honest.

Joey T could make quite a pair with C McC. Let C bang 'em around for a few minutes and then sic the little bat like Joey T on an already kind of winded defender. If you've ever tried to catch a bat you know what I mean.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Link please?

 

[Ballhawk1221]

Good videos. Jack looks bigger as has been rumored. Joey T certainly is cocky, and that's a good thing.

Both guys are kind of growing on me. If Jack is really a lot stronger he could be a huge force at the 4 spot. Almost always bigger than his opponent. Might have a respectable shot to keep the big boys honest.

Joey T could make quite a pair with C McC. Let C bang 'em around for a few minutes and then sic the little bat like Joey T on an already kind of winded defender. If you've ever tried to catch a bat you know what I mean.

According to a reporter who was there, Joe T. is in the 6'-6'1" range. That's taller than I thought he would be. Also said he's gained a little bit of muscle weight since arriving on campus. That could help him be even more effective this season.

It was really good to see Joe T. and Bakari, and to hear what other players had to say about them. I liked that Jack and Patrick mentioned both guys as good defenders, and that Bakari has been shooting well. Bakari seems like a very mature guy, which is not surprising since he's a RSr. Hopefully he can be a steadying presence on the team.

And Connor is already getting feisty on Twitter about people doubting that Bakari can shoot.

 

[2432Hawk]

I'm really looking forward to this basketball season. This team has some very nice pieces and if they gel they could be a dark horse team in the BigTen.

Probably not what we'll see, but something I think would be interesting... Connor is a point forward with C.J. and Bakari on the wings offensively

C-Luke Garza 6'11" 245lbs. Jr / Ryan Kriener 6'9" 255lbs. Sr
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 240lbs. Jr / Jack Nunge 6'11" 255lbs. So
SF-Patrick McCaffrey 6'9" 190lbs. Fr / Connor McCaffrey 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 205lbs. So / C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr / Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr

 

[IAHawk2011]

I think Toussaint is going to end up being the PG that Fran (and Iowa fans) have wanted his entire tenure at Iowa. At the worst he will be a good distributor and defender, but I think he is going to develop the offensive game needed to be an all-around stud. Some of the finishes at the rim in his highlight videos are incredible for a high school player. With that kind of touch and his strong work ethic, I am confident that the shooting stroke will continue to improve. There will be ups and downs, as there are with most freshmen, but I think he will have a strong freshman campaign and ends up being an all-conference player by the time his career is over.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Hope people watch the interview with Bakari. Dude is mature, articulate and confident. Maybe some of the "all transfers are thugs" crowd will self reflect on their opinions. Year 10 and finally Fran appears to have two dynamic guards. Glad he waited all this time to bring a grad transfer in...had Bohannon not gotten hurt I am sure we would be rolling with Jbo, CMac and Touissant.

 

[Ballhawk1221]

Hope people watch the interview with Bakari. Dude is mature, articulate and confident. Maybe some of the "all transfers are thugs" crowd will self reflect on their opinions. Year 10 and finally Fran appears to have two dynamic guards. Glad he waited all this time to bring a grad transfer in...had Bohannon not gotten hurt I am sure we would be rolling with Jbo, CMac and Touissant.

Mark Emmert thinks Evelyn is going to be the starting PG. I can see it.

 

[Steve Waite]

I'm really looking forward to this basketball season. This team has some very nice pieces and if they gel they could be a dark horse team in the BigTen.

Probably not what we'll see, but something I think would be interesting... Connor is a point forward with C.J. and Bakari on the wings offensively

C-Luke Garza 6'11" 245lbs. Jr / Ryan Kriener 6'9" 255lbs. Sr
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 240lbs. Jr / Jack Nunge 6'11" 255lbs. So
SF-Patrick McCaffrey 6'9" 190lbs. Fr / Connor McCaffrey 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 205lbs. So / C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr / Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr

This is the 10 guys that are going to be competing for minutes. Connor isn't a SF, he is a PG that runs the offense and doesn't shoot. If he wants playing time, he is going to have to shoot at a higher percentage than last year. We where too easy to defend when Connor was playing.
With Toussaint and Bakari you have 2 legit Pg's with speed and lock down defensive capabilities that we haven't had since Gesell and Clemmons.
The x factor is Fredrick, he looks great on film, but will see what he can do against legit Big competition. 5th year senior Moss leaves, which tells me Fredrick is a upgrade and the real deal!

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Hope people watch the interview with Bakari. Dude is mature, articulate and confident. Maybe some of the "all transfers are thugs" crowd will self reflect on their opinions. Year 10 and finally Fran appears to have two dynamic guards. Glad he waited all this time to bring a grad transfer in...had Bohannon not gotten hurt I am sure we would be rolling with Jbo, CMac and Touissant.

The "all transfers are thugs" crowd are idiots. So I doubt there will be much self reflection.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

The "all transfers are thugs" crowd are idiots. So I doubt there will be much self reflection.

I believe this is a bit of hyperbole actually. Most of those types of statements came years ago when The Golden Boy in Ames was bringing in the disciplinary castoffs of major programs and was somewhat deserved and accurate. I don't think anyone here was calling all transfer players "thugs", far from it.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

I believe this is a bit of hyperbole actually. Most of those types of statements came years ago when The Golden Boy in Ames was bringing in the disciplinary castoffs of major programs and was somewhat deserved and accurate. I don't think anyone here was calling all transfer players "thugs", far from it.

Right, just the ones who went to Iowa State.

 

[Auger]

If Bakari can replace Moss it will be a nice victory. If Bakari can replace Moss and be a productive combo guard that can handle ball duties and stay healthy it's a big victory and Fran deserves props.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Right, just the ones who went to Iowa State.

They weren’t thugs because they went to ISU.

 

[Ronman]

Wasn't it great having that transfer thug, Jarrod Uthoff?

 

[unIowa]

I'm really looking forward to this basketball season. This team has some very nice pieces and if they gel they could be a dark horse team in the BigTen.

Probably not what we'll see, but something I think would be interesting... Connor is a point forward with C.J. and Bakari on the wings offensively

C-Luke Garza 6'11" 245lbs. Jr / Ryan Kriener 6'9" 255lbs. Sr
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 240lbs. Jr / Jack Nunge 6'11" 255lbs. So
SF-Patrick McCaffrey 6'9" 190lbs. Fr / Connor McCaffrey 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 205lbs. So / C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr / Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr

I don't think we will see Connor at the 3 outside of spot minutes at the end of game for ball handling purposes. I think you will see Joe and Patrick getting a majority of the minutes at the 3. I think Joe, CJ, and Bakari will split minutes at the 2 and then I think you get Connor/Joe/ Spot for Bakari at the 1.

If Jack can be effective at the 4 this team just might suprise us by the end of season, starting to get a good feeling especially with Pat playing allowing to slide Joe to get some minutes at the 2...that would be an upgrade from Moss who had parts of his game that I really liked and really was frustrated with.

 

[unIowa]

Mark Emmert thinks Evelyn is going to be the starting PG. I can see it.

Maybe at the start of the season but I think once Joe settles down or if Connor really keeps the ball moving and offense flowing I think he ends up starting at the 2, Joe at the 3 and Joe sliding to the 2 when PMac comes in.

This team could be better than last years team.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

They weren’t thugs because they went to ISU.

Right.

 

[Ballhawk1221]

Maybe at the start of the season but I think once Joe settles down or if Connor really keeps the ball moving and offense flowing I think he ends up starting at the 2, Joe at the 3 and Joe sliding to the 2 when PMac comes in.

This team could be better than last years team.

I can see that. All depends on how good Evelyn is. He's definitely the most experienced PG of the three, since he was a starter and played big minutes at Valpo. He could very well be our best option, especially if his shot is back and he's 100% healthy. Seems likely that he ends up starting at one of the guard spots.

Having three PGs on the team is a huge plus. If Iowa is better than last year, Evelyn and Joe T. will be a big reason why.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I believe this is a bit of hyperbole actually. Most of those types of statements came years ago when The Golden Boy in Ames was bringing in the disciplinary castoffs of major programs and was somewhat deserved and accurate. I don't think anyone here was calling all transfer players "thugs", far from it.

Fair point. However, I have lobbied that Fran be more open to transfers in this forum and I get a lot of those types of responses. There is a POV among some that transfers are malcontents who are leaving for a reason. This is true in some cases, but given the glaring needs Fran has had at the guard spot since arriving and his recruiting struggles, it would seem that he would be active in the graduate transfer space. We have yet to see a breakthrough class and I am not holding my breath.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Some really nice line up options, if the new guys are as good as we all hope. I see a lot of talent with better passing, quickness, and versatility. Plenty of size on the interior and more quickness on the perimeter could give us a better defense. Whether the new players can hit the court running and whether there is a net increase in BB IQ (versus Baer's positive and Moss/Cook's not-so-positive) could be the difference between a decent, dangerous team and a surprising top 20 team.

 

[perryhawk]

Good videos. Jack looks bigger as has been rumored. Joey T certainly is cocky, and that's a good thing.

Both guys are kind of growing on me. If Jack is really a lot stronger he could be a huge force at the 4 spot. Almost always bigger than his opponent. Might have a respectable shot to keep the big boys honest.

Joey T could make quite a pair with C McC. Let C bang 'em around for a few minutes and then sic the little bat like Joey T on an already kind of winded defender. If you've ever tried to catch a bat you know what I mean.

Maybe it's just semantics but I would say that Joe T is confident, without being cocky. I think of cocky as being brash and flaunting ones confidence by putting it in people's faces......Joe T seemed confident while certainly being soft spoken and personable. Again it might just be the way you were wording it and we think the same thing.......but in my view, Joe was not cocky......cocky being more like arrogant.

 

[anon_gjzkhykcp9iuj]

It is definitely going to be an interesting year! Lots of options and lots of new faces.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Joe appears to be the least cocky New Yorker I’ve ever seen

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Maybe it's just semantics but I would say that Joe T is confident, without being cocky. I think of cocky as being brash and flaunting ones confidence by putting it in people's faces......Joe T seemed confident while certainly being soft spoken and personable. Again it might just be the way you were wording it and we think the same thing.......but in my view, Joe was not cocky......cocky being more like arrogant.

I agree, he’s got swagger IMO, I would definitely not call him cocky.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

As a guy that is skeptical of most transfers I think I can explain the rational.

First not all transfers are thugs or illiterates. However, all transfers have demonstrated that they were at best discontented at the school from which they are transferring, at worst they were a problem and the coach or school was happy to see them go.

Hence, someone that is sufficiently discontented to transfer once is simply more statistically likely to be discontented elsewhere. That Peterson kid in Alford's last class is an example. David Palmer is another guy like that, he was at something like 4 schools and had switched HS I think as well.

As kids are becoming even more self absorbed and require even greater and more immediate gratification than the baby boomers and the Gen Xers. But caution is necessary because its just more likely that guys that are leaving somewhere more likely to leave a second school.

Do love the grad transfer rule. If a kid has played out his academic career, graduated and wants to attend a different school in a post graduate program they've honored their commitment to the original school. They've also showed they're decent students because they've graduated in a timely fashion-hence not the academic risk of younger transfers. Also, they've not only graduated but scored sufficiently high on the GREs to get a post graduate admission. Finally, they're probably four or five years out of high school and are becoming much more adult in their thinking and behavior. See a big difference between an undergrad transfer and the grad school transfer.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

I agree, he’s got swagger IMO, I would definitely not call him cocky.

Gotta say, I like cocky, fellas. Nothing wrong with bold or impudent as long as you can back it up. I think Joey T is going to get a lot of free space in other guy's brains. Noticed CJF has a little cockiness....good for him.

Remember Chris Kingsbury dropping 27 footers and then looking at his defender and laughing? He winked at defenders too. Just loved that shit.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Gotta say, I like cocky, fellas. Nothing wrong with bold or impudent as long as you can back it up. I think Joey T is going to get a lot of free space in other guy's brains. Noticed CJF has a little cockiness....good for him.

Remember Chris Kingsbury dropping 27 footers and then looking at his defender and laughing? He winked at defenders too. Just loved that shit.

Yeah I remember reading an interview with CJF last year and he said something to the effect of if a basketball player doesn’t have some swagger and confidence then you’re really not much of a player at all.

 

[Packer54]

Good videos. Jack looks bigger as has been rumored. Joey T certainly is cocky, and that's a good thing.

Both guys are kind of growing on me. If Jack is really a lot stronger he could be a huge force at the 4 spot. Almost always bigger than his opponent. Might have a respectable shot to keep the big boys honest.

Joey T could make quite a pair with C McC. Let C bang 'em around for a few minutes and then sic the little bat like Joey T on an already kind of winded defender. If you've ever tried to catch a bat you know what I mean.

Outside of injury, this team is better than last years team.

 

[foxb]

I hope some of our players calling Joe T. and Bakari good defenders is not like Shaq calling someone a good free throw shooter

 

[HawkRugged17]

As a guy that is skeptical of most transfers I think I can explain the rational.

First not all transfers are thugs or illiterates. However, all transfers have demonstrated that they were at best discontented at the school from which they are transferring, at worst they were a problem and the coach or school was happy to see them go.

Hence, someone that is sufficiently discontented to transfer once is simply more statistically likely to be discontented elsewhere. That Peterson kid in Alford's last class is an example. David Palmer is another guy like that, he was at something like 4 schools and had switched HS I think as well.

As kids are becoming even more self absorbed and require even greater and more immediate gratification than the baby boomers and the Gen Xers. But caution is necessary because its just more likely that guys that are leaving somewhere more likely to leave a second school.

Do love the grad transfer rule. If a kid has played out his academic career, graduated and wants to attend a different school in a post graduate program they've honored their commitment to the original school. They've also showed they're decent students because they've graduated in a timely fashion-hence not the academic risk of younger transfers. Also, they've not only graduated but scored sufficiently high on the GREs to get a post graduate admission. Finally, they're probably four or five years out of high school and are becoming much more adult in their thinking and behavior. See a big difference between an undergrad transfer and the grad school transfer.

Always 2 different ways to look at it. Transfers over the years like Steve Krafcisin, Andre Woolridge, and Jarrod Uthoff came to Iowa and were very happy at Iowa. There are different circumstances in each case.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Always 2 different ways to look at it. Transfers over the years like Steve Krafcisin, Andre Woolridge, and Jarrod Uthoff came to Iowa and were very happy at Iowa. There are different circumstances in each case.

You illustrate an important axiom of life. Stereotypes become stereotypes because they're usually true....they don't arise in a vacuum. But, and its a very important caveat, every individual person should be weighed, measured and judged on their individual merit. Basketball players are no different.

We've had some good transfers but transfers, as a whole and especially in an earlier era when they were much less common, have generally been of little significance in the program. For every Special K there's one or more David Palmers. Even when you get a talented transfer you might also be buying a team cancer, like Luke Recker.

When you look at the programs that succeed with a lot of transfers they generally can only keep the guys eligible for a season or maybe two. They're just willing to turnover the roster every year or two.

 

[GTHawks]

You illustrate an important axiom of life. Stereotypes become stereotypes because they're usually true....they don't arise in a vacuum. But, and its a very important caveat, every individual person should be weighed, measured and judged on their individual merit. Basketball players are no different.

We've had some good transfers but transfers, as a whole and especially in an earlier era when they were much less common, have generally been of little significance in the program. For every Special K there's one or more David Palmers. Even when you get a talented transfer you might also be buying a team cancer, like Luke Recker.

When you look at the programs that succeed with a lot of transfers they generally can only keep the guys eligible for a season or maybe two. They're just willing to turnover the roster every year or two.

 

[GTHawks]

If you think Luke Recker was a cancer I’d have to respectfully disagree my friend

 

[ghostpony]

You illustrate an important axiom of life. Stereotypes become stereotypes because they're usually true....they don't arise in a vacuum. But, and its a very important caveat, every individual person should be weighed, measured and judged on their individual merit. Basketball players are no different.

We've had some good transfers but transfers, as a whole and especially in an earlier era when they were much less common, have generally been of little significance in the program. For every Special K there's one or more David Palmers. Even when you get a talented transfer you might also be buying a team cancer, like Luke Recker.

When you look at the programs that succeed with a lot of transfers they generally can only keep the guys eligible for a season or maybe two. They're just willing to turnover the roster every year or two.

If anyone was a cancer, it was the boy wonder.

 

[hooper56]

Right, just the ones who went to Iowa State.

Big difference between a Grad transfer who comes in with a degree and some troublemaker who was asked to leave his previous team.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

If you think Luke Recker was a cancer I’d have to respectfully disagree my friend

That's why a similar team cancer coach benched him toward the end of his senior year. Wild gunner, screamed at the other players, total black hole. The kid had talent but he was a major problem with his teammates.

Actually, there was much grousing about the double standards for Reggie and Recker, on the boards, in the press and campus rumors. Recruiting players with personalities similar to his was Alford's greatest weakness.

 

[wneff]

Always 2 different ways to look at it. Transfers over the years like Steve Krafcisin, Andre Woolridge, and Jarrod Uthoff came to Iowa and were very happy at Iowa. There are different circumstances in each case.

Other players who contributed significantly to Iowa basketball after playing at another 4-year school: Tom Norman, Gerry Wright, Matt Bullard, Adam Haluska, Bryce Cartwright. One could even make the case that our most successful teams of the last 40 years have had a transfer either starting or prominently featured in the rotation.

 

[Cydkar]

They weren’t thugs because they went to ISU.

Well, being black was part of it as well.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Well, being black was part of it as well.

Old white guy playing the race card, love it.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Not a bad lineup. IF PMac is actually at 190 now, that helps. Need to get him to 215 tho. Or more...

I like Connor at the SF position. Especially if he can't find his outside shot.

I'm really looking forward to this basketball season. This team has some very nice pieces and if they gel they could be a dark horse team in the BigTen.

Probably not what we'll see, but something I think would be interesting... Connor is a point forward with C.J. and Bakari on the wings offensively

C-Luke Garza 6'11" 245lbs. Jr / Ryan Kriener 6'9" 255lbs. Sr
PF-Cordell Pemsl 6'8" 240lbs. Jr / Jack Nunge 6'11" 255lbs. So
SF-Patrick McCaffrey 6'9" 190lbs. Fr / Connor McCaffrey 6'5" 205lbs. So
SG-Joe Wieskamp 6'6" 205lbs. So / C.J. Fredrick 6'3" 195lbs. Fr
PG-Joe Toussaint 6'0" 185lbs. Fr / Bakari Evelyn 6'2" 180lbs. Sr