247 did not change their rankings of either player. The composite (average) score of the 4 sites was simply made current. Yesterday the only factor for Nunge in the composite score was the 247 ranking. Now there are three sites factored into that score.
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This is my guess, Connor was well aware that if he didn't take a scholarship it could be used to potentially get another player. And honestly if my dad made over 2 million a year I would know he could afford to pay for my schooling. Jok is leaving, so from the outside looking in they are 1 committ over. That means they need to have one more ride freed up. Jones was granted a sixth year but doesn't have to take it. There is no reason for Fran to start acting inappropraitely now, he's having success. My guess is he already knows something the rest of us don't concerning this.
Several variables could be at play, some mentioned already:
Is Connor a possiblity to walkon?
Will Dale Jones actually use his 6th year? At Iowa
Will Ellingson have a role at all this season? There's a lot of guards that will be fighting for playtime time and several are going to lose out
Do all 5 freshmen stay?
Just this summer, Nunge's score at 247 was 94+, as it had been for some time. Now it's 88. What's the basis for that? Did he go to ANY camps this summer? His lack of attendance at those events has been a big part of his low profile. The big change was his eminent commitment.
Will Uhl feel too much competition from Jones? Will Baer go back to walk-on? Maybe Wagner transfers... Fran MAY know something specific. Or maybe he's got the experience to know that with this much competition, something's going to give way.
His rating was .9556 because 247 was the only rating that was based on. It's .88 now because Scout and Rivals both have him rated as a mid 3 star, which is going to lower his average ranking. Also something to note, 91 on 247 does not equal a .9100 composite score either. It's weighted.
Yeah, 247 is a composite. So again, what's the basis of the Scout/Rivals rating this summer? Not camps. Not school- that evaluation could have been done when 247's was.
The basis was from AAU ball. That's pretty much what where all players are evaluated now. Recruiting websites pretty much only attend elite camps that are by invite. It's not like football in that regard. Nunge's evaluation has been complete for awhile now (since AAU ball was done in July), it just hadn't been put into the 247 system.
Maybe Conner could live in low income housing apartments to get that good old "poor college student" experience. Ya, I know, wrong sport but it still galls the shit out of me.
Actually, Alford was more than willing to do that with Bryce.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ate-deep-recruiting-class-20151117-story.html
1. Nobody called anybody an idiot for saying Connor deserves a scholarship. In fact this was my first statement in my post you quoted.
2. How many 4 star guys did Ferentz have a chance to sign by having any of his boys walk on?
3. Umm, paying in-state tuition at a public school for your son when you are a millionaire, especially when you are the head bball coach to that school, your son is going to play for you, and it means you get to sign another high level player is far from a magnanimous gesture.
It is when you're competing against Crean.
I said it when you were defending Indiana, and I'll say it again. I'm not in favor of any BBall coach oversigning. That said I'll be surprised if Fran doesn't know exactly where these scholarships are coming from. This is his 8th recruiting class at Iowa, and he hasn't oversigned in the first 7.
If one is Connor's and the other is not giving Jones a 6th year, I really would have no issue as long as they were informed before the scholarships were given out. Connor already stated he'd be okay starting as a walk-on, and Jones will have had the opportunity to get his undergrad degree, and has had two knee surgeries. He missed nearly all of last season, and the PTL this summer. My best guess is that's where the second one is coming from, but time will tell.
From the timing of Connor's comments this summer about his being willing to cede his scholly for the time being, it seems more than likely that his is one of the 2 to be taken by Garza/Nunge in 2017. As for the other, even if a guard were to leave this year, it would be getting crowded in the frontcourt next year. Now I really like Jones' ability and attitude as a player and I'm not convinced we're going to have better, outside of Cook, upfront in 2017- IF Dale is healthy. If he's not recovered to play this year, we'll know soon enough. This may be part of the apparent uncertainty in Fran's comments on the subject: he wants to give Jones' recovery a chance. But he may have talked to another player about this situation as well. A possible scenario that I could see is that Fran's talked to Baer and said if Dale is healthy, would you go off scholly again for 2017 (IF necessary), with the understanding that it would come back in 2018. Question marks abound. But, even if there is some uncertainty, I'm sure there was a plan established before the Garza/Nunge schollys were accepted.It is when you're competing against Crean.
I said it when you were defending Indiana, and I'll say it again. I'm not in favor of any BBall coach oversigning. That said I'll be surprised if Fran doesn't know exactly where these scholarships are coming from. This is his 8th recruiting class at Iowa, and he hasn't oversigned in the first 7.
If one is Connor's and the other is not giving Jones a 6th year, I really would have no issue as long as they were informed before the scholarships were given out. Connor already stated he'd be okay starting as a walk-on, and Jones will have had the opportunity to get his undergrad degree, and has had two knee surgeries. He missed nearly all of last season, and the PTL this summer. My best guess is that's where the second one is coming from, but time will tell.
I know tapes don't necessarily show how successful a player will be, but I love the variety of Nunge's offensive game. You also see plays where he seems to be thinking ahead and seems to have good court awareness. I can't really judge his toughness, but if he adds some strength, he could become a very good player.
I assume that Dale Jones is graduating by the end of his fifth year, so he could transfer to a program as a graduate student (with stipulations) after this year and play immediately in 2017-18 as his medical redshirt sixth season.
I really don't think that's an option since the B1G started offering 4 year scholarships, instead of year to year renewals.
Possibly- not sure how that rule is written. Of course, Baer was a WO his 1st 2 years in school, so he couldn't be on a "4-year" scholarship. Not sure if that falls between the cracks of the rule.
I stand corrected. I guess that makes two of them (Alford, McCaffrey) that are willing to drop a scholarship of their son to add another player to the class.
1. I wasn't referring to what you said (calling people idiots) but an earlier poster who said he was glad that Fran wasn't listening to the idiots on this board that said that Conner deserved a scholarship.
2. I don't know how many 4 star guys. Probably none but he has done pretty well with other overlooked 2* or 3* talent that Iowa maybe could have gotten if his son(s) walked on.
3. Perhaps magnanimous was not the correct word to use. I think that Fran's son is the one that probably deserves the credit for saying that he was willing to walk on if Iowa could get somebody really good. (Iowa did in Nunge.)
It is funny to think about Alford paying for his son while he was at Iowa. He wouldn't even pay for a cheeseburger. The guy has been humbled a little bit since he left.
If the Big 10 is serious about the 4 yr. scholly, please explain "Creaning" at Indiana and why the conference has said or done nothing about it.
Lol, Conner deserves credit?
Fran: "Conner, if we can get Garza and Nunge I'm going to pay your way."
Conner: "Why would I give a **** dad?"
Fran: "Thanks, son."
Hawkeyereport: "Conner is one classy teammate."
The 4 year scholarship doesn't mean they have to be on the team for 4 years. But if a player leaves for any reason they technically would have their education paid for if they wanted to come back and finish their degree.
This is Conner's actual conversation:
“We’ve talked about one year of prep school being an option. I haven’t really considered walking on for one year but that could be a discussion, too. I could red shirt and then maybe take the scholarship from the next class. I’m not against anything yet. I’d have to talk to my dad about that. He’s obviously more experienced in the ins and outs of that and knowing what to do.”
Draw from it what you want to draw but it means a lot to some players when they receive an athletic scholarship and have earned it by their play.
I give Conner credit for being willing to walk on regardless of whether you do or not.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/63328/ius-matt-roth-odd-man-out
Article indicates that Matt Roth was left in some kind of limbo clear into the summer after he graduated. In other words, Crean didn't communicate with him and kept him, "leaving his options open". The rule is, if there is an apparent group of players over the 13 scholarship limit, a coach must present the Big Ten with his explanation of how things will clear out. That is before a player can sign a letter of intent.
Here is the difference between what Iowa will do and what Tom Crean did. Besides just informing the Big Ten of his intent, he will also inform players on the team that could be effected. That is ONE guy, Dale Jones. Dale will have had five years of college and undoubtedly graduate. Just like Matt Roth did, Just like Max Bielfeldt and Spike Albrecht did at Michigan.
The difference, again, is Crean didn't bother to inform Roth. That by the way was the incident that started the Creaning terminology, soon to be in dictionaries all over the world.
One might also say it is why every time someone at Indiana transfers the suspicion is Crean drove them off. And honestly, it has seemed that way repeatedly.
What one has to ask, is all those "plans" Crean gave to the Big Ten so he could sign players? I wonder what they said? "So and so is going pro early? The other guy has stated he will transfer?" Is anyone really checking the accuracy of Crean's guesswork?
Beilein doesn't put himself that deep into the gamble. Neither does McCaffery. But, tell you what, check the commitment lists come after the early signing period and check to see how many schools APPEAR to have over-recruited. It is a lot. Especially in the SEC and Big Twelve.
So Crean was just the guy who got this named after him. And there is a difference between actually having a plan like Michigan and Iowa...and just acting like you have one.
I wonder how many times in the past five years, IU did not oversign. It seems to happen every year.
I think the scholarship situation may sort itself out fairly easily. According to the article on hawkcentral about Nunge, he scored a perfect on the math portion of his ACT, as well, he is from Iowa and was neighbors with Coach McCaffery in Iowa City. I think it's possible that he would take an academic scholarship his first year, then we get him on athletic scholarship.
That means Connor's scholarship will go to Garza, and Connor will gladly be a walk on, on a great team.
That means Connor's scholarship will go to Garza, and Connor will gladly be a walk on, on a great team.
Yes, those are the only 2 coaches who have paid for their sons to go to school so that another player could be given a scholarship.
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But Regibson1 thinks he deserves a scholarship. No athlete's mentality or end goal is to get a scholarship. Their goal is to play basketball at the highest level and that happens to come with a scholarship. Fran is the one making a "sacrifice" and even that is minimal compared to what he can get in return. Regi can't seem to grasp the concept though.
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