Jack Nunge
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here's a short hi-light video that i scrounged up on youtube. seems like a nice touch out to distance. not a very quick release and hard to tell on his handles but he has some good body control around the hoop.
and here's a short interview he did for a local outlet.
and here's a short interview he did for a local outlet.
Hmmm...really low release on his shot. Looks like one of Jimmy Chitwood's Hickory High teammates.
He reminds me a bit of the kind of kid that Butler would get who would end up being pretty successful without being explosive. Things like being able to finish with either hand, finish from any angle including underhand shots, and being able to shoot from range both off the catch and (after a pumpfake) off the dribble can make one pretty successful that way. He seems to have a knack for getting his hands where they need to be to block shots much like Uthoff as well.
The other comparison is Larry Bird - obviously not at that level but his ability to do things without ever looking explosive is kind of interesting that way. I think Uthoff is more of a long strider and more explosive than he is, but yet he uses his reach well and sets up his drives with his jumper. Probably won't be able to be a go-to guy in the clutch at this level since I'm not sure how he creates separation unless he gets into the mid-post like Uthoff and shoots over smaller SF's, but can be a great secondary player imo.
If he was to grow 1-2 inches then he'd be pretty good as a stretch 4 I think. Needs strength too obviously.
It's his skill set that will make the difference, though. If he can handle and pass and shoot ambidextrously in ways and be creative in his scoring angles (like Curry does) he can be sneaky good I think. I trust Fan a bit on those types of assessments.
The other comparison is Larry Bird - obviously not at that level but his ability to do things without ever looking explosive is kind of interesting that way. I think Uthoff is more of a long strider and more explosive than he is, but yet he uses his reach well and sets up his drives with his jumper. Probably won't be able to be a go-to guy in the clutch at this level since I'm not sure how he creates separation unless he gets into the mid-post like Uthoff and shoots over smaller SF's, but can be a great secondary player imo.
If he was to grow 1-2 inches then he'd be pretty good as a stretch 4 I think. Needs strength too obviously.
It's his skill set that will make the difference, though. If he can handle and pass and shoot ambidextrously in ways and be creative in his scoring angles (like Curry does) he can be sneaky good I think. I trust Fan a bit on those types of assessments.
Read it on Hawkeye Nation, Fran had an in-house with him last week. Very good range for someone his size. I've read 6-9 to 6-10.
He handles the ball well also.
Definitely needs to get stronger but this young man has a vast skill set. I think Woodbury's shortcoming is he couldn't shoot so it was hard to draw big away from the basket. Need at least a midrange J.
Yep stop recruiting someone just cause he isn't in top 100 for some website rankings. With that logic no Aaron White, Gabe Olaseni, Peter Jok, etc. Easier said then done to get these top 100 players. 2 of the last ones to be top 100 or top 150 including message boards favorite whipping boys in Gesell, Woody and even Olgesby was top 150.
I think what he is saying is that Fran can afford to be picky in 2017. We don't need to be throwing around scholarships to guys that won't contribute on day 1, at least not right away. If we miss on guys like Nunge or Garza because we were waiting for Williams or Goodwin, so be it. But of course, Fran will do what he thinks is best for the team and I trust him. Just hope he really swings for the fences in 17 and 18 to capitalize on some momentum.
I am talking about whether it is a wise move to just fill a scholarship slot with a recruit who is more likely to need a redshirt year and developmental time before they can really contribute. Iowa right now has Kreiner, Pemsl and Bohannon who are all likely to see very limited minutes this next season, if any as Pemsl's injury rehab may need a reshirt year and Kriener may or may not see minutes as Wagner and Cook are slotted for the 5 spot but can they avoid foul problems.
When Iowa landed White, Olaseni, and Jok, Iowa was getting out from the mess of the Lickliter experiment and the roster was poor in talent and most top 100 kids laughed at Iowa's scholarship offer even with a new HC (FM) in charge. Iowa is better today and should be after difference makers and not projects, especially when the numbers are low. Haviing Wieskamp as a top 40 BB talent in his class out in the marketplace should help Iowa's recruiting profile. Getting higher quality commitment should be the objection. Nunge looks like a decent player but not a big contributor.
I cannot believe who made Woody #50 in 2012. Bad class or bad scouting. Mike at 100 , still overrated. Josh was a 122 in 2011. None of these guys were explosive or truly close to their class peers in BB talent.
Personally, I'd pass on Nunge and shoot at 2017-2018 targets like Carte'Are Gordon and Courtney Ramey. Cook knows these St. Louis area guys and could help get visits from these athletes.
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A couple of things--
(1) Nunge's high school played in the largest classification for Indiana high school basketball (4A).
(2) Jeff Sagarin has an Indiana high school basketball website which appears to be like BC Moore's Iowa high school basketball website, which ranked Nunge's high school #10 in the state, and ranked its difficulty of schedule as #5 in the state.
(3) Nunge put up 19.3 points and 11.4 rebounds per game his junior season.
While it would be fine with me if Iowa waited for other, more highly ranked prospects to make their decisions, it is worth noting that Nunge's productivity was against the best high school talent in Indiana, rather than small schools.
(1) Nunge's high school played in the largest classification for Indiana high school basketball (4A).
(2) Jeff Sagarin has an Indiana high school basketball website which appears to be like BC Moore's Iowa high school basketball website, which ranked Nunge's high school #10 in the state, and ranked its difficulty of schedule as #5 in the state.
(3) Nunge put up 19.3 points and 11.4 rebounds per game his junior season.
While it would be fine with me if Iowa waited for other, more highly ranked prospects to make their decisions, it is worth noting that Nunge's productivity was against the best high school talent in Indiana, rather than small schools.
I'll tip my hat to you (jdv77). Nunge's highlight videos just did not (WOW) me. At 6'10", he should have good numbers in HS.
I like Nunge's all around talent better than Garza's. Williams will be hard to pull away from Indiana and/or MSU. Now some of the other top schools are sniffing around, seems to be enamored with Louisville which is very close to home. Goodwin is a talent for sure but Illinois seems to have the inside track and I've heard very little about the Hawks being involved.
I see this suggested and/or alluded to quite bit. Pemsl's surgery was performed more than 12 months ago, during his junior year. It was my understanding that the procedure was standard for a torn meniscus. Is there any evidence that Pemsl still needs rehabilitation? He received medical clearance to play this past season. I am not aware that he re-injured the knee during his senior season. At this point, it seems like he is past the rehabilitation phase. Absent re-injury, I am curious why anyone would think his injury would still need rehabilitation more than 18 months post-surgery.
He may opt for a redshirt for a variety of reasons, I just don't think it would be for injury rehabilitation.
Sure a 6'9" guy hitting 3's or faking then hitting a mid range is a bad thing.
Based on the short tape, Iowa could do a lot worse. Kid looks like he knows how to play, and he has really good length. While he might not have great athleticism, he isn't robotic and he seems to have a range of skills. I agree that Fran needs to swing for the fences, but Nunge looks like he would be a priority back up plan, if the first couple of options aren't showing real interest in Iowa.
That's what I thought. I expect him to come in and immediately compete with Cook and Kriener. I seriously doubt that he will see the floor before Cook but Pemsl could certainly be a valuable reserve this year, IMO he is much more physically ready than Kriener. Should be interesting to see how it gets sorted out,
At this time last year some posters were hoping Iowa would opt out of Pemsl's scholarship. So at least the progression is now Cordell just needs to rehab the knee he played on all year.
As to Nunge. I'll take him in a heartbeat. Yes, there may be better players, or may not, but this isn't a stretch by any means.
I would be tickled to death if Nunge commits. I think we have a great shot to land him and I hope we do.
Put some muscle on Mr. Nunge and he may turn out to be a nightmare for other teams to defend, like a lot his inside ambidextrous touch, but seems to have a good outside shot. Bugs are sometimes already developed by senior year of high school, others haven't filled out and still growing. I suspect that one of the tougher things about recruiting is determining what level of developing the recruits body has been achieved at the time you're having to decide to give out a scholarship, and where it will be in year 1, 2, 3. When I saw Moss last year and Baer, I felt neither would contribute last year. So I was right about Moss and wrong about Baer. It such a crapshoot, but I have seen Fran seems to have as good a grasp as anyone in the business what a player could become. Think Marble , White, and Gabe as other examples.
That's a really good post. You are right, trying to evaluate a high school kid isn't an exact science. Frank Kaminski went from an average recruit to something pretty special. Ethan Happ looks like the next "Where did he come from" kid. I mention them as neither was the high flying dunker or big bodied rebounder that folks can all spot.
And, you are right, by now McCaffery has proven he knows what he is looking for.
Pemsl had more than meniscus surgery. He had that and an osteotomy to correct a condition known as valgus knee (he was extremely knock-kneed). That happened about a year ago, on May 14, 2015. They had to break and reset his leg to correct the condition. He was able to get into shape enough to play HS ball last year but he still has some reshaping to do to play at the B1G level. A red shirt year with the strength and conditioning staff at Iowa would do wonders for him. I just hope he is willing to do that as I think it would give him a better chance to play whatever position he wants.
Thanks for the clarification.
I would still like to see him compete right away. My thought is this: if he was medically cleared to play his senior season he should be good to go in October also (unless, of course, the injury was aggravated). Basketball is basketball. If his medical team gave him the green light to jump, pivot and run in 2015 he should be good to go in 2016. I'm sure the Iowa coaches will take everything into account vis-a-vis a redshirt. Personally, if fully recovered, I think he should be able to contribute his freshman year.
I see Bird as well. Wasn't expecting that. Sounds hyperbolic, but just reminiscent, not saying this kid is the next Larry Bird.
May I say, before someone complains or calls you crazy, that I completely understand you meant to compare style to style. Good comparison.
May the reading comprehension challenged now commence to boil you in oil.
I have no idea if his game translates from a D-1 perspective. However, if his mannerisms and movement don't remind you of Larry Bird then you didn't watch enough Basketball in the 80's. Add about 50 pounds, crappy mullet and porn stache - voila', Larry Bird.
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Projecting a player's ability to play college hoops in a power conference based upon a self-promoting 2-3 minute highlight video & prior-year high school stats makes for discussion during the off-season, but needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I much prefer the eye test from those in the know watching the national AAU circuit.
One other thing to remember - if Jones is granted the medical hardship and no one leaves or gives up a scholarship, this is all moot as there will not be a scholarship . That is, IMHO, a BIG if. And I could also see either Connor McC or Nicholas Baer doing so for the good of the team, even if it is only for a year.
I thought the same thing when I saw the tape. Nunge is not a stiff who needs to develop skills, but a kid who needs to get used to his size. He seems to bring a lot of the same well-rounded skill set as Kaminski and Happ. If he has Happ's grit and determination around the basket, and he continues to develop and grow like Kaminski did(maybe big ifs), Nunge could be a really good player.
He reminds me a lot of Kaminski from Wisconsin in the highlight video. He might not be an explosive player but a big who can shoot well (his form is nice), handle the ball, and put the ball on the floor is not easy to guard. I would take him in a heartbeat.
Remember Jon Leuer? That is who this kid really reminds me of. Very similar games as HS kids.
i dont think his his shot looks anything like Birds. Bird had a set point to the high side of his head.
Doesn't seem to be a high energy guy yet, but looks pretty versatile with his inside-outside game. Put some muscle on that lengthy frame and a bit of aggression in his brain and sky's the limit IMO.
I don't think his shot looks like Bird's either. I think his physical movement other than the shot itself reminds me of him.
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