for the Lions in their 30-17 win over Pittsburgh.
Rudock was 8/11 for 72 yards and a TD. He also had 20 yards rushing.
Rudock was 8/11 for 72 yards and a TD. He also had 20 yards rushing.
Jake Rudock Impressive Tonight...
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Yes...His improvement has been remarkable. Michigan QB situation in very capable hands.
He deposited a big check down at the bank today if that's what you mean.
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I didn't see the game but honestly it isn't really all that surprising as KF & GD said two years ago that they had two legitimate high caliber quarterback's and it appears they were right.
We'll see. Quarterback isn't typically a position where players suddenly break through in the pros. All the best to Rudock, but in my opinion, if JR was a legitimate high caliber QB, it would have been much more evident at the college level.
Its easy to look good but remember he is doing that against 3rd and 4th stringers, those guys will be bagging groceries in a few weeks...
sort of agree, but there have been 6th round picks in the past that have succeeded as QBs in the NFL. Tyrod Taylor as a recent example from the 2011 draft that has been to a Pro Bowl. Some guys games mature later than others and some guys have skill sets that translate better to NFL than college.
That said the most probable outcome for Rudock is that he earns a nice paycheck as a backup for quite a few years.
I hate to say it but he made some major improvements under Harbaugh.
Come'on dude thats what people tell themselves to justify their frustrations with him and the staff. If you asked the right person in here they'll try to tell you he did the same things over there. The reality is he was a very solid QB, he just isn't CJ, but its not hard to see why the staff struggled with the decison. But people don't want that to be true so they rationalize anyway they can to make it not true.
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No need to be bitter towards Jake.
Most people would say there's no way he leads Iowa to 12-0, so just be happy for the kid and enjoy the scenery of this season & CJ.
Most people would say there's no way he leads Iowa to 12-0, so just be happy for the kid and enjoy the scenery of this season & CJ.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying here, I don't care if he ever plays a live snap in the NFL, there have been plenty of record sitting QB's who never took a snap in a preseason game. There have also been a ton who had miserable scouting reports (Brady, Romo wasn't even drafted, etc) so the fact that he got drafted and is taking Preseason snaps at all places him in a pretty profound category. So I repeat, we had 2 top tier "college" QB's and its understandable the trouble they had in depth charting them. In fact I give them GREAT credit for making the decision they did.
PS, they benched Brady in college at least twice in favor of the more hyped "fan favorite" QB.
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Can you list the opponents of each season since you appear to be bothered by my observation that Jake has gotten better since being under Harbaugh?
LOL, goodness gracious, I'd say it is you that is bothered. Let me ask you a question...why do you "hate to say it" but he got better under Harbaugh?
Incidentally I'm a JR fan (but certainly glad CJ is our QB) but you'll be interested in knowing he had a 211 QB rating and 334 yards against woeful Rutgers and 400yards and a 190 rating vs IU's stellar pass D. Its interesting to me... there are those that are convinced KF & GD are morons and constantly screwing things up (these are the same in every fan base) and then of course there are those on the other side that think they do no wrong and then there are those like me that quite frankly think he is the coach and like me, makes some mistakes and certainly has faults but really doesn't deserve to be routinely criticized for his supposed failures, most of which are skewed and perceived in a very closed minded vacuum.
Once I realized this isn't an Iowa thing, its just a bitchy fan thing, it became apparent to me no coach can truly win with all his fans. JR was a good QB in Iowa City, he was a year older with a "firing" as motivation in play and was a good QB in Ann Arbor, maybe even better, but he should have been. He was a year older and if he couldn't get motivated to make it happen last year he was never going to....
Harbaugh didn't do anything brilliant, and we didn't do anything wrong, I'll credit JR for that.
Once I realized this isn't an Iowa thing, its just a bitchy fan thing, it became apparent to me no coach can truly win with all his fans. JR was a good QB in Iowa City, he was a year older with a "firing" as motivation in play and was a good QB in Ann Arbor, maybe even better, but he should have been. He was a year older and if he couldn't get motivated to make it happen last year he was never going to....
Harbaugh didn't do anything brilliant, and we didn't do anything wrong, I'll credit JR for that.
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This. And the reality is Jake was probably just not a good fit for Iowa's system. It's not like he was some walk-on scrub at Iowa. The talent was there and there's no question about his intelligence, he probably just needed a new system and coach.
It happens. There are quarterbacks even in the NFL who were bad or so-so then got traded to a different team and really flourished. Jim Harbaugh being one of them.
PS, from what I have heard (probably on here) JR's biggest failing was leadership and he routinely had a chem class (I believe) in the middle of practice at least once a week. Another reason why moving to morning practices was a brilliant stroke by KF and staff, that wouldn't have been a problem in Michigan.
The highlited I agree with 100%, in fact it happens in my profession all the time. With that said the implication to me was that Iowa "screwed" it up and Harbaugh fixed "it", I believe that is a tick boorish and disingenuous at best.
One other thing and I'm not at all disagreeing with you but I'm not really so sure Iowa or UM's "system" is much different. Harbaugh was considered a run first coach in the Pro's and they run a multi-set Pro style scheme. The change of scenery, plus the demotion I agree was a huge motivator, just not sure about the scheme or great tutelage thought...?!?! Not that Harbaugh wasnt a solid tutor, but if we are going there we just as well give him credit for Kapernick as well, get my point?
JR's stats were a little better at MI but I only see him being slightly better at MI. First he was a year older. Second he probably had better recievers. Brady Hoke wasn't getting it done as coach but MI recruiting was still good.
JR was not dumpy here just more of a don't make a mistake type. But not he's going to win the game either. The prototypical game manager. KF made a huge mistake by having the QB controversy go on all season in 2014.
JR was not dumpy here just more of a don't make a mistake type. But not he's going to win the game either. The prototypical game manager. KF made a huge mistake by having the QB controversy go on all season in 2014.
Fact is he was always a good QB, just so happens we had 2 good QB's and CJB was just the better of the 2. Also the defensive improvement as well as special teams factored into 12-0 season last year (not just CJB. Statistically speaking JR always had solid #'s at Iowa. You know Greg Davis has a bit of a history at identifying and developing some pretty good QB's, so let's not kid ourselves here and think JR suddenly got better at Michigan....give the kid some credit and admit you were totally out of line with criticism of the young man while at iowa
I don't feel the JR that played at Michigan was better, he just played a different game. He seem push the ball down field more when playing under Hairball. I said it before and I'll say it again, we had two starting QB's ( JR/CJB ) only CJB is the better of the two.
I hate Michigan but reality is they have an awesome coach which makes it harder for Iowa. Fair enough? I am happy that Jake made a good move for himself.
I understand and I'm not challenging you, just showing you a different perspective. I don't hate Michigan nor do I hate Harbaugh per se, not a huge fan but I don't hate him. With that said, lets remember his last season was a train wreck at SF and I know we all blame the "brass" but come on, he has his detractors and eventually his fans will bitch about him too. Don't forget Michigan's fans ran off/forced into retirement a pretty fine NC winning coach in Llyod Carr and ironically enough he too was similar too KF in perception and Michigan got what thier fans deserved for many years as a result.
Bigger expectations are fine, but be careful, down is easier than up...
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Major improvements? or got some major upgrades at WR? And there was just a thread on how great Greg Davis is at developing QBs cuz Vince young and Colt McCoy became terrible without his guidance
.....so how can we be sure that it had anything to do with Jimbo and not that GD developed him and just still thought CJ was better...and let's not forget who went 12-0 on 1 leg and who did not....aaaaannnd isn't CJ getting much higher draft projections than JR? Plus it was one preseason game against 3rd n 4th stringers trying to make a team....let's give it some time...I still think the kid ends up with a scalpel in his hand....and good for him either way.
Major improvements? or got some major upgrades at WR? And there was just a thread on how great Greg Davis is at developing QBs cuz Vince young and Colt McCoy became terrible without his guidance
All you have to do is go back and see who "likes" what in this very thread to see the dichotomy (grand canyon would be a better term) in this fan base for those who think our coaches are idiots and don't want to give certain people or kids credit for anything. I'll admit its kind of a "kindergarten" way of looking at it, but its true all the same...
For those fans it would have been best if JR got benched at Michigan, then they could have run with their "see our coaches are idiots narrative", comically it didn't work out they way. It saddens me a bit that those with nothing invested struggle too see how difficult personnel decisions truly are. Especially when you are dealing with two or 3 very capable people. Yet they easily give their opinion, that alone tells you all you need to know...
I think JR was very serviceable at QB and found a good spot to land with UM(great defense with some good offensive weapons)...but the KF haters that say he will play less qualified upperclassman over underclassman are now looking for new gripes because JR succeeded at a different school? Garbage. We will never know if Jake maybe just developed between his JR n Sr. years like many college QBs tend to do and could have lead us to 12-0....I'm guessing that the coaches saw the high ceiling for CJ and preferred to go with the opportunities there instead of JR...not a knock on JR really imo but more of a compliment to CJ. I'm biased tho in that I can't stand Jimbo and would honestly rather have the coaches we have...I know that's easy to say since the alternative will never happen(thank thy lord) but it is the truth...aside from Andrew luck who was almost a 5 star out of high school with NFL QB bloodlines who has this QB 'guru' really turned into nfl gold? And don't say josh Johnson or kaepernick....one could argue he ruined kaepernick when he tried to turn him into a pocket passer. Anyway I'll stop before I turn this into another harbaugh thread...sorryAll you have to do is go back and see who "likes" what in this very thread to see the dichotomy (grand canyon would be a better term) in this fan base for those who think our coaches are idiots and don't want to give certain people or kids credit for anything. I'll admit its kind of a "kindergarten" way of looking at it, but its true all the same...
For those fans it would have been best if JR got benched at Michigan, then they could have run with their "see our coaches are idiots narrative", comically it didn't work out they way. It saddens me a bit that those with nothing invested struggle too see how difficult personnel decisions truly are. Especially when you are dealing with two or 3 very capable people. Yet they easily give their opinion, that alone tells you all you need to know...
I think JR was very serviceable at QB and found a good spot to land with UM(great defense with some good offensive weapons)...but the KF haters that say he will play less qualified upperclassman over underclassman are now looking for new gripes because JR succeeded at a different school? Garbage. We will never know if Jake maybe just developed between his JR n Sr. years like many college QBs tend to do and could have lead us to 12-0....I'm guessing that the coaches saw the high ceiling for CJ and preferred to go with the opportunities there instead of JR...not a knock on JR really imo but more of a compliment to CJ. I'm biased tho in that I can't stand Jimbo and would honestly rather have the coaches we have...I know that's easy to say since the alternative will never happen(thank thy lord) but it is the truth...aside from Andrew luck who was almost a 5 star out of high school with NFL QB bloodlines who has this QB 'guru' really turned into nfl gold? And don't say josh Johnson or kaepernick....one could argue he ruined kaepernick when he tried to turn him into a pocket passer. Anyway I'll stop before I turn this into another harbaugh thread...sorry
Exactly thats why they are now scrambling to find a reason that he didn't "suck". Normal people, those who hold themselves accountable would say, well I guess I was a little off base on JR and the Staff.
Honestly if you ned a reason quite frankly the kid was a better than average QB but he was distracted by school to a degree and he also had a QB looking over his shoulder. He didn't handle the pressure as well as CJ clearly (though that wasn't always obvious) and he left for Michigan "graduated" and with ALL the motivation in the world.
I find it sad people are "looking" for reasons to still believe their coach "sucks"...its baffling to me.
It's pretty simple. Rudock was a good QB with physical limitations. He was highly intelligent, and had an advantage over CJB in experience, which is very important to Ferentz and his staff. CJB clearly had more physical talent, but due to a lack of experience, it took awhile for him to catch up to Rudock. Thus, it was always anticipated that someday CJB would be the better QB, but it was unclear at what point in time that would occur. Even in 2014, when both played in over half our games, Rudock actually put up better stats. That should come with a caveat that Rudock had the advantage of getting more practice reps with the first team, so the better stats isn't definitive proof he was a better QB, but it does show that the two were at least close in terms of ability to produce on-field results.
Transferring was good for Rudock and it was good for Iowa. Beathard is a better QB and I would be shocked if he doesn't stick around in the NFL longer than Rudock.
Those denigrating Rudock, and chastising the coaches that just delivered the program's first 12-0 regular season are pathetic.
Transferring was good for Rudock and it was good for Iowa. Beathard is a better QB and I would be shocked if he doesn't stick around in the NFL longer than Rudock.
Those denigrating Rudock, and chastising the coaches that just delivered the program's first 12-0 regular season are pathetic.
I don't think the coaches were/are idiots. In fact, many (myself included) would say that this particular coaching staff is one of the best in the country. I do think, however, that they made a mistake playing Rudock over Beathard. That doesn't mean I'm just a hater who refuses to give people credit, because I was one of the first to give the coaches credit when they finally did decide to start CJB over Rudock (better late than never).All you have to do is go back and see who "likes" what in this very thread to see the dichotomy (grand canyon would be a better term) in this fan base for those who think our coaches are idiots and don't want to give certain people or kids credit for anything. I'll admit its kind of a "kindergarten" way of looking at it, but its true all the same...
For those fans it would have been best if JR got benched at Michigan, then they could have run with their "see our coaches are idiots narrative", comically it didn't work out they way. It saddens me a bit that those with nothing invested struggle too see how difficult personnel decisions truly are. Especially when you are dealing with two or 3 very capable people. Yet they easily give their opinion, that alone tells you all you need to know...
What annoys me are posters who are under the impression that our coaching staff is infallible and refuse to acknowledge if or when they make a mistake.
Side question: What exactly do you have invested that makes your opinion more valuable than mine or others who disagree with you?
A good QB coach can go a long long way in football, just like good OL coaching does at Iowa.
That's a perfectly valid opinion - in 2014 it was a close call.
However, the difference I have seen in most posters, is that those defending the coaches unanimously acknowledge that it wasn't a clear-cut decision, and many of those coach-defenders (including myself) actually do believe that CJB should have started in 2014. Conversely, those that criticize the coaches say that the decision was obvious, and only an idiot couldn't see that CJB should have started in 2014.
Further, it is important to note that there have been times where I believe Ferentz was undoubtedly wrong about sticking with a more experienced player. For example, in 2008 it took him far too long to name Stanzi his starting QB over Christensen, and I have little doubt that we would have won the Pittsburgh game had Stanzi played the rest of the game. Additionally, in 2006 Ferentz continued to start Herb Grigsby at WR despite atrocious play. However, the decision to start Rudock over Beathard in 2014 is easily understandable, even if you don't agree with it. That, to me, is the most annoying part of the rhetoric that surrounded the QB controversy. Just because someone has a different opinion, does not mean that person is an idiot. I find it similar to the debate about who is a better QB, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Virtually everyone has an opinion, and there's virtually a 50/50 split. I happen to think Peyton Manning was better, but I'm not about to call someone who prefers Tom Brady an idiot because I can easily understand their argument and acknowledge its merit.
Yeah he also had another season of practice and game experience I'd hope he'd be improved now over his junior year with us no matter if it was Harbuagh or Davis coaching him up.
Maybe we should hire Harbaugh as a QB coach.
National championships would fall from the heavens.
