Jake Rudock Impressive Tonight...
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Nothing, but here is a side thought, If I can "get" where "you or they" are coming from and a critic has merit, I let it go. What I really get irritated by are opinions formed with zero empirical data and no empathy. For example I look at this QB thing and say wow, that had to be a tough decision?! Because I can now see both were obviously valuable entities. But thats not how the "critic" operates...
Incidentally this is just a dumb football game, but the same thought process applies to every day. I see it everyday, in the political realm, the work realm, the social realm. No one seems capable of going, hmmm I wished we'd done this but I sure can understand why we didn't. Its an epidemic and yes it pi#$@$ me off because it affects real people and progress. Again this is just football but if you do it here you do it everywhere IMO. Look at Ferguson, its a tragedy that kid got shot, but if you can't see its bad idea to berate the police and then reach into their car then I can't help you. Same with KF, yes I wish we'd played CJB but I get why he didn't and I hold zero ill will towards the man in the hot seat making that call. If you are like me and "just wish we'd have...." bully for you, if you are in the other camp then no I don't respect your anxt.
And I'll end with my own question...when a person asks?... what makes your opinion more important than mine? What they usually (not necessarily you BTW) mean is your opinion isn't better than mine (in fact I believe mine is right) and how dare you make me feel like it is. But see I didn't say it was but the Truth is all "opinions" aren't equal. Thats a touchy feely fallacy in this new "politically correct" era. Had a buddy over smoking cigars sometime ago and he said what happened to it being "okay" for people to be offended...?!?! I said, hmmmm good point. So I say if you are mad or think we really blew it not playing CJ then I say thats unfair and shows a huge lack of appreciation or empathy for those making those tough decisons. And if that offends you then I say thats on you....
He also had to learn a new system. We hear a lot about how hard it is to learn a system. Just think what he could have done with 4 years of Harbaugh.
Wow. Okay, well I'll stop you in the first paragraph of your response. Opinions should not be formed using empathy, because empathy is bias and clouds the ability to be impartial. Secondly, to say that Beathard over Rudock is an opinion formed off zero empirical data is silly. Empirical data is data formed off observation. I don't know about you, but I observed CJ leading a comeback over Pittsburgh, and a win as starter over Purdue (ugly, yes). However, to say that your opinion is better because there is no empirical data to support mine is wrong.
Based on that (albeit small) sample size, I don't think it's a stretch to say that CJ was equally, if not more, capable of leading Iowa, and that the coaches were wrong to not give him more of a shot
Holy sh$%#$$ your just kidding right....
em·pa·thy
ˈempəTHē/
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
PS...when you hear about tyrannical leaders who have a hard time reaching people. They lack empathy and they aren't going to be very effective into today's touchy-feely world where we all "need to express" ourselves and be heard and have your opinion matter...cue the ironic music.
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Thanks for addressing the least important point I made in my post.
I know what empathy is, and the importance of being an empathetic person, but forming educated opinions should not involve empathy. That's something I've learned in every debate/argumentation class I've ever taken.
Well clearly not because they certainly teach about empathy in Debate and quite frankly if you don't get it, it would be pointless for me to go any further here. You have to have empathy to effectively or maybe I should say "affectively" debate, negotiate, talk with anybody in any setting....
And if you can't understand why it was such a tough decision and why JR got played over CJ (not glad, not in agreement) but at least "get" it then you're not going to ever and I don't particularly care to debate with you because you're biased and not open-minded. So in essence going back to my original point you don't mean "why is my opinion better then yours", what you really mean is "your opinion is better than mine" and I actually edited my first comment trying to be softer but in truth you are who I'm talking to!
And if you can't understand why it was such a tough decision and why JR got played over CJ (not glad, not in agreement) but at least "get" it then you're not going to ever and I don't particularly care to debate with you because you're biased and not open-minded. So in essence going back to my original point you don't mean "why is my opinion better then yours", what you really mean is "your opinion is better than mine" and I actually edited my first comment trying to be softer but in truth you are who I'm talking to!
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rudock was not that good for the first half of the season with michigan. he did not complete a deep pass in the first half of this season. then he exploded in the second half and was connecting on deep passes. he said the the coaches noticed that when he threw deep he was always leaning back to get as much on it as he could. they worked with him on his body moving forward on the deep ball. once it clicked and hit the first one he was on the money for the rest of the season
Where did I say that I didn't understand or refused to understand why Rudock was played over Beathard? I know exactly why Rudock started over Beathard and why Ferentz thought it was a tough decision. The problem is that you assumed I didn't "get it," and grouped me in with the "haters" and "pessimists" here. Sometimes you can be loyal to a coaching staff, but still have the wherewithal to know that they made a mistake.
The only claim I ever made was:
From there, you began the name calling, saying that your opinion was better than mine and that I am closed minded and biased.
Hilarity. Either way, I think we can agree that this discussion has run its course.
Poor word choice. Rather, you made assumptions about what I believed and gave me the titles "closed minded and biased." Where I had neither proven nor disproven that that was the case.
And on an even more interesting note, I wouldn't call myself particularly loyal to KF and staff I am however loyal to proper etiquette and being fair about critiquing someone and anonymously pissing and moaning on a message board ain't it. Devils advocate and looking deep at what is being said and who is saying it is my thing. Catching them being hypocritical and short sighted in particular.
Case in point if the script was flipped and we got to go around anonymously critiquing "everyone's" decisions there would be a lot more shootings than there already are....
Case in point if the script was flipped and we got to go around anonymously critiquing "everyone's" decisions there would be a lot more shootings than there already are....
It'd be hard to be farther removed from the truth than this. Lloyd Carr wanted to retire for several years before he did. He had health issues and was burned out, but wanted one last run at a national title before hanging it up. Nobody ran him off or forced him into retirement, certainly not fans. That said, the performance of his teams fell off at the end. He only won 10 games once in his last 4 seasons, lost 4 of his last 5 bowl games, and had the App State nightmare thrown in for good measure. In addition he lost 6 of his last 7 games to Ohio State.
Nobody ran him off, but he hung on as long as possible.
if I were an Iowa fan, I wouldn't have a care in the world about how Rudock played at Michigan last year given how well the Hawks performed under Beathard.
That remains to be seen, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt. See if you get "why" something happens you are typically less critical and your still pretty critical it appears to me....just sayin
Honestly I don't really care all that much just wastin time.... If critiquing million dollar coaches on the Internet is your thing so be it!
When it really comes right down to it it's my experience with people that constantly complain and critique in the real world the causes me to break down what people say like this.... it's an epidemic as I've said. It's the number one cause of division and cancer in the work place and mean social cancer not physical.
Interesting because I used to read The Michigan fan boards and boy did they have it in for Lloyd and I'm not sure everyone in Michigan would share your opinion so I think "not further from the truth" is just your version of the truth
Mgoblog, Maize n blue, another real popular one I can't remember. Yes he did have health concerns but quite frankly he was a little put off and bitter by the end. That's revisionist history to get rid of the bitter taste by Michigan fans.
And for the record I talked with a couple Michigan fans here just recently I've got relatives that graduated from UM!
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I believe there was another QB by the name of Brady that come out of the UM program during the 6th round.
Not saying he will have that type of career, but for about 2 decades, if you started at Michigan, Chances are you would start at least 1 NFL game in your career. IN the 25 years ending 2014, we had 7 QBs drafted,
The seven quarterbacks Michigan has seen drafted since 1989 are Elvis Grbac (No. 219, 1993), Todd Collins (No. 45, 1995), Brian Griese (No. 91, 1998), Tom Brady (No. 199, 2000), Drew Henson (No. 192, 2003), John Navarre (No. 202, 2004) and Chad Henne (No. 57, 2008
That is from this article, where Michigan was rated the 2nd place school for producing QBs for the pros from NFL.com. Something I hope we will start producing again.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/06/nflcom_says_michigans_the_seco.html
I hope he has a great career though just the same. If not, he is a smart young man, and I have a feeling he will do well becoming a Dr.
I will always be thankful that KF let him transfer. Normally when I think Iowa, it is meat and potato NFL linemen, a sprinkling of good LBs, IR RBs, and huge TEs. Depth at QB was kind of new in my mind. Funny how things work out.
See you guys later in the year. Cheers
That's correct. You guys would have beaten Utah had he been able to hit your wide open deep guys. The improvement he made under your staff can only be discounted by those that are so sensitive about KF.
It was time for Carr to go. He was not getting it done and using that example for a reason to keep a coach is silly. The problem wasn't getting rid of Carr. It was hiring Rich Rod. I never spoke to a single person that thought it was a good hire. I don't know what they were thinking by bringing him in.
His final year was supposed to be 06, but was talked back for one more year to help raise money for the 250M renovation done to the stadium
think with car is he retired. the problem was 2 years earlier he tried to retire and the AD begged him not to so he came back. that was the start of 2 problems.first problem was after that happen carr really let recruiting slip away. one example is sam bradford. michigan had a planned visit to meet with bradford. it did not happen because carr skipped it to go to a birthday party. right after that oklahoma offered and he chose them. the second problem was the AD. instead of looking for a new coach he did nothing and acted surprised when carr retired. he did not have a plan in place on what he was going to do.
Hold on here where did the sensitivity come from? Surely it's not because KF & staff had been widely lampooned?
Right?
I get so tired of the BS over here he was 13 - 21 for 140 yards against Minnesota. He was 15 and 25 for 168 versus Michigan State. Revisionist history is bullsh#% and I'm a JR fan! His best games were against Rutgers & Indiana please stop!
If he were still playing for Iowa and ended the season that way no chance would you give Iowas staff any credit!
It's exhausting…
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I think you are confusing the insanity of the 1% of fans that post on a message board with the circumstances surrounding when and why Carr retired when he did. The fans didn't "run him off". There was no public pressure on the university to fire him. Nobody withheld donations from the AD. A few people wanted him gone. I, for one, felt he had fallen off but I also pointed out at the time that we'd probably miss him when he was gone. After the Rodriguez/Hoke years, that kinda proved true.
Agreed - I will say that the only reason I care is because I was rooting for Rudock to do well because he proved to be a fine student, person, and QB while at Iowa, and I know his former teammates were rooting for him too.
Not so sure about most of your post. I'll give you the student part but the rest seems incorrect.
More power to Rudock and more power to Beathard. I don't understand why Rudock is even being discussed two years removed from the program. Move on.
One reason and one reason only and it's not because he is in our minds constantly.....a lot of mean spirited fans who were hypercritical of him and the staff. And as you'll note they are still carrying that animosity.
Interestingly enough they then get upset at those who defend him and the staff....weird deal from fans who supposedly root for the same team.
Rudock completed over 60% of his passes, threw for 34 TDs, and ran for 8 more TDs in his two years as a starter. I know from personal experience that his former teammates were rooting for him. I guess I do not know from personal experience how Rudock was as a person while at Iowa, but given that he was a very good student, well-liked by his teammates and coaches, and that he never got into trouble while at Iowa, I assume he acted with high integrity while attending Iowa.
I simply don't understand the bitterness that is directed at Rudock.
I think one of the things that held him back at Iowa was what he was doing academically. It was clear that he had a heavy class load and a very difficult one. That takes up a lot of time that isn't spent on football. At Michigan, he could take his few grad classes and really focus on football. He wasn't a bad QB at Iowa he just wasn't great. Cole Fisher is the perfect example of this. Went from not playing to having a really good Senior season all because he graduated early with an engineering degree and could spend more time on football.
Matt Cassell has earned just shy of $60M in the NFL. Not bad for a kid that never started a game in college.
It's sad but the bitterness really isn't directed at Jake, its really at those dumb coaches because clearly these brilliant IT Coaches "knew" all along. That right there is my probelm. Historically speaking I have found that people who easily stand in judgement from afar and just "KNOW" what should have happened aren't fun to people to be around ever. They are the same people you read about in the news everyday complaining about race, the police, the "rich" etc...they don't have a clue. Its not even that some of what they say doesn't have merit but they are so boorish and hostile that its hard to give them credit. It would be awesome if we knew who they were so we could check behind them and criticize their every move. They wouldnt care for that much. I've also found the critic HATES to be critiqued. And sports has slowly begun to mirror the ills of the world....everyone has an opinion with zero accountability.
Considering he was a career backup.....in college, what expectations were there for him in the pros?
Will the last two former Hawkeye QBs to take a regular season NFL snap both be guys who finished their careers at different schools? Isn't Dan McGuire the last former Hawkeye QB to throw a regular season NFL pass?
