Jalen Suggs visit!

[Hayes_30]

There were so many holes becasue the classes were so spread out that Prohm needed transfers to fill in the gaps. Last season they brought in the 2 PF transfers becasue they really only had 1 post on the team after some players left the program. So basically they were quick fixes same with the 2 they brought in this season. Im not gonna say all but alot of the guys that are transfering in are more than likely going to be bench rotation guys and not looked upon to be starters or the main focal point of the team like in years past. Honestly I loved Fred as a coach but he left the program in good shap for really only 2 years and Prohm has had to do alot of work to rebuild the roster because of all the holes that were left by Fred.

 

[StormHawk42]

ISU projected starting line up

G) Donovan Jackson "3/4 star depending on site"
G) Lindell Wigginton "4/5 Star depending on site"
G) Jakolby Long "4 stars across all sites"
F) Cam Lard "4 Star on ESPN"
F) Solomon Young "3 Star"

And yes you are right these 2 teams are as close to talent as they have ever been in my lifetime.

Isn't Babb still there?

 

[Hayes_30]

Isn't Babb still there?

He is but I dont believe he will start. I may be wrong but I think there are some better younger options.

 

[Ronman]

I see ISU got a commitment from a 6'10" three-star legacy recruit today that is being celebrated over on CyFan, most likely by the same crowd that mocked Iowa for signing 4-star Garza.

 

[Hayes_30]

I see ISU got a commitment from a 6'10" three-star legacy recruit today that is being celebrated over on CyFan, most likely by the same crowd that mocked Iowa for signing 4-star Garza.

There were some yes. I was not in that category tho. Garza looks like a stud and im a little worried about what he is going to be able to do after after a few years of college development. He is going to be scary good.

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

I hate ISU basketball but at least I respect them (minus the transfer U stuff) that is not the case in football.........no respect for one of the worst programs in the country (currently and historically) Always hate when ISU fans make the claim that ISU is superior in basketball as Iowa is in football, Iowa and ISU basketball are extremely similar with success historically and presently. Iowa has slight edge historically and ISU presently......ISU football has the same amount bowl victories as Rick Stanzi

 

[nitewing]

Also Fran signed 6'11 Nunge the runnerup to the Indiana Mr. BB, Rivals Top 150 and was named to the SUBWAY Super 15 as a JR and SR. with Nunge @ 6'11 and Garza @ 6'11 that give Iowa 2 solid bigs.

last year Cook, Kriener and Uhl were the tallest players @ 6'9.

 

[Libradawg]

I really wish Dom Uhl would stop telling people he's 6'9. He's Wagner's height wearing hiking boots.

The only thing I took exception to with the ISU stuff is that we're just now close in talent. 2-2 of late with the ones at Hilton...let's be honest here...lol. We had those. I get that floor results don't always reflect the roster but we had two top ten teams absolutely FLOP late in the season. They weren't #5 in the country good but not 7-12 seed bad either. I obviously give the edge to ISU especially 3 years ago, but it's been closer than you think.

Hoiberg didn't recruit, he signed FA. Used an NBA system to attract them and was able to use the pitch *remember what we did with______?* every time a new one cropped up. Can't blame him for a good gambit. Fran limited success with transfers - we got what, Cartwright, Basabe, Uthoff and Dickerson? I never liked the idea of getting guys to play right away and still dealing with a learning curve. Clearly the name of the game is getting them from other D1 programs.

Seriously though, BOTH OF US need to seriously start sending real talent to the next level. ISU had bust after bust involving the Bulls and the best Iowa has done is a poor man's Dennis Rodman - without Rodman's pristine shooting touch. We're so much better than this.

With the way Iowa is going I'm legitimately hoping ISU can keep up their track record. They're a walking 3-seed and we're dangerously teetering on that territory. UNI will probably stroll in again and steal the country's hearts, but it'll put Iowa on the map! Seriously though, it'll help us both in ways so obvious I don't even have to say Harrison Barnes. Whoops

 

[hawk-i bob]

I really wish Dom Uhl would stop telling people he's 6'9. He's Wagner's height wearing hiking boots.

The only thing I took exception to with the ISU stuff is that we're just now close in talent. 2-2 of late with the ones at Hilton...let's be honest here...lol. We had those. I get that floor results don't always reflect the roster but we had two top ten teams absolutely FLOP late in the season. They weren't #5 in the country good but not 7-12 seed bad either. I obviously give the edge to ISU especially 3 years ago, but it's been closer than you think.

Hoiberg didn't recruit, he signed FA. Used an NBA system to attract them and was able to use the pitch *remember what we did with______?* every time a new one cropped up. Can't blame him for a good gambit. Fran limited success with transfers - we got what, Cartwright, Basabe, Uthoff and Dickerson? I never liked the idea of getting guys to play right away and still dealing with a learning curve. Clearly the name of the game is getting them from other D1 programs.

Seriously though, BOTH OF US need to seriously start sending real talent to the next level. ISU had bust after bust involving the Bulls and the best Iowa has done is a poor man's Dennis Rodman - without Rodman's pristine shooting touch. We're so much better than this.

With the way Iowa is going I'm legitimately hoping ISU can keep up their track record. They're a walking 3-seed and we're dangerously teetering on that territory. UNI will probably stroll in again and steal the country's hearts, but it'll put Iowa on the map! Seriously though, it'll help us both in ways so obvious I don't even have to say Harrison Barnes. Whoops

dont know about Dom 'telling people he is 6'9" dont recall him making that claim...but the athletic dept does.

• HEIGHT
  
  6-9
• WEIGHT
  
  220
• CLASS
  
  Senior
• HOMETOWN
  
  Frankfurt, Germany
• HIGH SCHOOL
  
  Point Pleasant Beach (NJ)

 

[Libradawg]

dont know about Dom 'telling people he is 6'9" dont recall him making that claim...but the athletic dept does.

• HEIGHT
  
  6-9
• WEIGHT
  
  220
• CLASS
  
  Senior
• HOMETOWN
  
  Frankfurt, Germany
• HIGH SCHOOL
  
  Point Pleasant Beach (NJ)

LOL I know he's not the one putting it to print, but I can't get over the fact we thought we were getting a power forward in the Aaron White mold and immediately saw Devyn Marble with Zach McCabe's skill-set.

This site is getting closer to his actual frame:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2017.html

 

[nitewing]

I really wish Dom Uhl would stop telling people he's 6'9. He's Wagner's height wearing hiking boots.

The only thing I took exception to with the ISU stuff is that we're just now close in talent. 2-2 of late with the ones at Hilton...let's be honest here...lol. We had those. I get that floor results don't always reflect the roster but we had two top ten teams absolutely FLOP late in the season. They weren't #5 in the country good but not 7-12 seed bad either. I obviously give the edge to ISU especially 3 years ago, but it's been closer than you think.

Hoiberg didn't recruit, he signed FA. Used an NBA system to attract them and was able to use the pitch *remember what we did with______?* every time a new one cropped up. Can't blame him for a good gambit. Fran limited success with transfers - we got what, Cartwright, Basabe, Uthoff and Dickerson? I never liked the idea of getting guys to play right away and still dealing with a learning curve. Clearly the name of the game is getting them from other D1 programs.

Seriously though, BOTH OF US need to seriously start sending real talent to the next level. ISU had bust after bust involving the Bulls and the best Iowa has done is a poor man's Dennis Rodman - without Rodman's pristine shooting touch. We're so much better than this.

With the way Iowa is going I'm legitimately hoping ISU can keep up their track record. They're a walking 3-seed and we're dangerously teetering on that territory. UNI will probably stroll in again and steal the country's hearts, but it'll put Iowa on the map! Seriously though, it'll help us both in ways so obvious I don't even have to say Harrison Barnes. Whoops

Basabe was not a transfer as he followed Fran from Siena and Uhl is not telling anybody anything as the staff put them on the tape in their stockings,

Kriener was listed at 6'10 then after he got on campus he was measured at 6'9, Williams came in at 6-6 and now he is listed at 6'5, players shrink under Fran

 

[Libradawg]

Basabe was not a transfer as he followed Fran from Siena and Uhl is not telling anybody anything as the staff put them on the tape in their stockings,

Kriener was listed at 6'10 then after he got on campus he was measured at 6'9, Williams came in at 6-6 and now he is listed at 6'5, players shrink under Fran

sigh I understand Uhl isn't doing it.

Basabe didnt sign a LOI for Siena? I guess in the scheme of things Bryce did fill the gap and gave us slightly better than replacement level play, Uthoff worked out pretty well while Dickerson was the player we thought he was - just was confused about the whole *earning your spot* business.

What was the guy's name who wanted to come with Trey, who ended up in Tempe?

 

[hawk-i bob]

this is like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

 

[hawk-i bob]

 

[Libradawg]

Touche, lol.

Would've been funnier if it was the Christopher Lloyd scene though.

 

[nitewing]

sigh I understand Uhl isn't doing it.

Basabe didnt sign a LOI for Siena? I guess in the scheme of things Bryce did fill the gap and gave us slightly better than replacement level play, Uthoff worked out pretty well while Dickerson was the player we thought he was - just was confused about the whole *earning your spot* business.

What was the guy's name who wanted to come with Trey, who ended up in Tempe?

nope Basabe never signed his LOI, Dickerson in my opinion was to high on himself and never fit into the team end of it
Uhl gets the team part of it and puts everything he has into it. not everybody is a star as teams need role players, players like Uhl, Wagner, Baer, Williams get this concept, this is where players on other teams leave as they will/do not buy into the team concept. to me Fran recruits players that are team players 1st.

 

[Libradawg]

nope Basabe never signed his LOI, Dickerson in my opinion was to high on himself and never fit into the team end of it
Uhl gets the team part of it and puts everything he has into it. not everybody is a star as teams need role players, players like Uhl, Wagner, Baer, Williams get this concept, this is where players on other teams leave as they will/do not buy into the team concept. to me Fran recruits players that are team players 1st.

Which is exactly how you lose the job you were recruited to hold to Anthony Clemmons. He said he didn't know why we even recruited him - there are a thousand ways to respond to that and every last one of them more sarcastic than the last.

Willie Atwood was the player I was trying to remember. And exactly why I hate transfers. His presence may not have affected Uthoff's rise but we certainly never would have utilized a Nicholas Baer. Dickerson would have been a senior last year.

I won't pretend to know how that would have turned out, but I love the way it has turned out.

 

[carrierhawk]

Really don’t care to discuss or hear about the clowns on an Iowa forum.

 

[nitewing]

Which is exactly how you lose the job you were recruited to hold to Anthony Clemmons. He said he didn't know why we even recruited him - there are a thousand ways to respond to that and every last one of them more sarcastic than the last.

Willie Atwood was the player I was trying to remember. And exactly why I hate transfers. His presence may not have affected Uthoff's rise but we certainly never would have utilized a Nicholas Baer. Dickerson would have been a senior last year.

I won't pretend to know how that would have turned out, but I love the way it has turned out.

not many teams can have 13 4* and 5* players, as for Clemmons he was actually better than his ratings
White was a unranked 3* and yet he was named FR AA and ended 1st Team All BT
Olaseni unranked 3* ended up the BT 6th MOY

my point is nobody knows how a player will do until he gets on the BB Court. or the FB Field. Fran has done a excellent job of getting the players on campus and developing them, some players don't work out and leave other stay the 4 years and leave with a Diploma.

they are/were still important parts of the team. in the case of Uhl he has filled in at the 3-4 and 5 with no true place in the lineup, that is the role he has accepted. to play where needed.

 

[DanHawkPella]

Highly selective transfers like Uthoff tend to work out pretty well.

Whenever you get in the position of taking a questionable transfer because you are trying to fill an opening or a need, it often turns out to just tie up scholarships and hurt you in the long run. Desperation transfers - even if only mildly desperate - make me nervous, both on talent level as well as perhaps more likely to be an academic / behavioral risk because by definition you aren't being "picky".

Jacobsen from Nebbie will do very well at ISU imo. I liked him.

 

[nitewing]

Highly selective transfers like Uthoff tend to work out pretty well.

Whenever you get in the position of taking a questionable transfer because you are trying to fill an opening or a need, it often turns out to just tie up scholarships and hurt you in the long run. Desperation transfers - even if only mildly desperate - make me nervous, both on talent level as well as perhaps more likely to be an academic / behavioral risk because by definition you aren't being "picky".

Jacobsen from Nebbie will do very well at ISU imo. I liked him.

this is why I like Fran's reluctance to take transfers and sticks to HS kids. out of the 3 JUCO's he has got only one made a contribution and that was Cartwright,

 

[Hayes_30]

this is why I like Fran's reluctance to take transfers and sticks to HS kids. out of the 3 JUCO's he has got only one made a contribution and that was Cartwright,

Probably for the best after the whole Anthony Hubbard debacle.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Probably for the best after the whole Anthony Hubbard debacle.

there it is....a recruit who was campus (summer) for a few weeks...never wore a uniform with I O W A on it....but yet we cant stop bringing it up...can we?

other JC transfers or even future have zero to do with Hubbard.
Idiot.

and Hubbard was what now...5 years ago?

 

[Hayes_30]

there it is....a recruit who was campus (summer) for a few weeks...never wore a uniform with I O W A on it....but yet we cant stop bringing it up...can we?

other JC transfers or even future have zero to do with Hubbard.
Idiot.

and Hubbard was what now...5 years ago?

I dont care that Fran brought him in or even the fact he was in prison. It just sucked for Iowa he backed out on them the last min. He would have been a good player that would have helped the team in the early Fran years. But i beleive that was way longer than 5 years ago lol.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I dont care that Fran brought him in or even the fact he was in prison. It just sucked for Iowa he backed out on them the last min. He would have been a good player that would have helped the team in the early Fran years. But i beleive that was way longer than 5 years ago lol.

he didnt back out at the last minute...do you even have a clue. He was asked to leave....well more like told to.

 

[Libradawg]

I would rather have both teams succeeding than have Harrison Barnes leaving the state. I don't know, but something about Roy Williams thinking he can stagger in here and purge our talent makes me just fine with them getting a top state recruit for once. You wanna know when there was no clowns dialog on this board? 2007-2011 is when.

Highly selective transfers like Uthoff tend to work out pretty well.

Whenever you get in the position of taking a questionable transfer because you are trying to fill an opening or a need, it often turns out to just tie up scholarships and hurt you in the long run. Desperation transfers - even if only mildly desperate - make me nervous, both on talent level as well as perhaps more likely to be an academic / behavioral risk because by definition you aren't being "picky".

Jacobsen from Nebbie will do very well at ISU imo. I liked him.

Which is exactly what it would have done. IIRC Bohannon was an iffy prospect, and one we certainly wouldn't have pursued if Dickerson progressed as he eventually would at SDSt. We pursued Atwood because Olaseni was leaving but he would have only served to take minutes from Uthoff and Jok. Here's the kicker: he also took a year to become a legitimate starting forward. The obvious question being *WTF exactly is the difference between that and a 3* freshman??

That said, we've had an illustrious history with transfers here. ISU can throw whatever they want at us, they're not beating the lineup of Woolridge-Recker-Haluska-Uthoff-Reggie. Okey Leslie Griffin Thomas and Hogan off the bench? I would take another Hogan right now TBH - Moss is a Val Barnes clone but he and Ellingson define inconsistency. He'd also serve as a Baer backup.

Your post was on the money, but with the mass departures and how close we are to excellence we have to at least consider offering one. Do we even have a scholly to give?

 

[Libradawg]

he didnt back out at the last minute...do you even have a clue. He was asked to leave....well more like told to.

Did anyone honestly consider him an exciting prospect? He was riddled with question marks and he would have needed the typical development window to even crack the lineup. Too much baggage. Don't let the cell door hit you on your way out!

 

[Hayes_30]

he didnt back out at the last minute...do you even have a clue. He was asked to leave....well more like told to.

Sorry man i just remember a story from ESPN about him leaving. I honestly thought that's how it went down my bad.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebas...d/32922/anthony-hubbard-spurns-iowa-after-all

 

[hawk-i bob]

Sorry man i just remember a story from ESPN about him leaving. I honestly thought that's how it went down my bad.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebas...d/32922/anthony-hubbard-spurns-iowa-after-all[/QUOT

"zero tolerance" policy...

Details of the incident that resulted in Hubbard's dismissal are unknown, but according to the MSR report no laws were broken and the incident did not involve drugs or illegal substances. MSR cites an additional source in reporting that had another player committed the same infraction, the resulting penalty would have been minor or possibly non-existent, but due to Hubbard's troubled past, he had no margin for error.

 

[Hayes_30]

Either way im sure it left a sour taste in Frans mouth. But with that small set back Fran has slowly put the pieces together to make a very good team especially with the last 3 classes. Iowa is gonna be good soon. I still think back up PG is still a spot of weakness as of right now.

 

[nitewing]

Hubbard was in the 2010 class and there were rumors of something that happened because he left during the PTL, I can't even tell you where he ended up or how he even did.
but since Hubbard these were the 2 JUCO's that Fran brought in.
PG Dickerson who didn't even finish the season
F Jones who sat on the bench with injuries for 2 seasons

the only JUCO to do anything was 2010 PG Cartwright a 2 year starter.

with the quality of players that Fran is getting he really doesn't need to rely on transfers JUCO or Other college transfers just MHO

 

[DanL53]

Regarding Fran and transfers, let me express what I recall Fran himself has said.

He was a transfer. It is often the last chance for a player to find the school and program that fits him the best, LIKE FRAN DID. So McCaffery takes this very cautiously in the interest of the player. (Paraphrasing Fran's own words.)

And I remind, we've had transfers interested in Iowa up to the point of their visit. And some have thanked Fran for his honesty and have moved on to different schools before taking a second breath.

That's not a negative. It's fact. It's not that we won't take transfers, or that are shy after one kid didn't work out. Our Iowa Program is just very cautious when we go that route. Still doesn't work sometimes...but then that is true of any college program.

 

[Franisdaman]

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Suggs is the no. 1 PG in the 2020 class, no. 4 player overall. He's from Minneapolis. I believe that visit is during the Ohio State game, should be a great atmopshere for a big time visitor. Keep it rollin, Fran!

So, you saying the atmosphere in Kinnick might be a bit better than say, at the football stadiums at Minny or Kansas?

 

[Franisdaman]

interesting McKinney & Liddell played on the same AAU team..the same team that Tyler Cook played on.

I have a feeling Tyler may be around on the 7th.
I believe this is Liddell's 2nd unofficial to Iowa.

its nice that we have a coach who can also recruit!

as others have mentioned, crawling out of that crater that Lickliter left us was not easy; changing people's perceptions on Iowa basketball was not easy

 

[Franisdaman]

there it is....a recruit who was campus (summer) for a few weeks...never wore a uniform with I O W A on it....but yet we cant stop bringing it up...can we?

other JC transfers or even future have zero to do with Hubbard.
Idiot.

and Hubbard was what now...5 years ago?

was that really 5 years ago? man, time flies!!!

 

[Franisdaman]

he didnt back out at the last minute...do you even have a clue. He was asked to leave....well more like told to.

i totally forgot about him and what he did that caused him to leave

 

[nitewing]

was that really 5 years ago? man, time flies!!!

it was 7 , wish I could forget

 

[RocknRollface]

this is like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Yep, lol.

I learned along time ago its like talking to the mad hatter.

Its a never ending stream of nonsense arguing that leads nowhere.

Im still not convinced herby isnt the internets greatest troll.

 

[Tylerl_28]

nope Basabe never signed his LOI, Dickerson in my opinion was to high on himself and never fit into the team end of it
Uhl gets the team part of it and puts everything he has into it. not everybody is a star as teams need role players, players like Uhl, Wagner, Baer, Williams get this concept, this is where players on other teams leave as they will/do not buy into the team concept. to me Fran recruits players that are team players 1st.

basabe did sign a loi w/ siena so he can easily be figured into the transfer category even if he never played for them.

 

[hawk-i bob]

basabe did sign a loi w/ siena so he can easily be figured into the transfer category even if he never played for them.

I believe your are correct on the LOI...if I remember correctly at the time he signed he made it clear to SIENNA that if Fran would happen to leave...he wanted out of LOI & Sienna agreed. to release.