JJ Abram's Star Trek

[swagsurfer02]

The little one and I have watched the new Star Trek and seem to like them. We didn't see the originals so I don't know exactly how to compare the two. My mom is a "Trekkie" and I always liked Star Wars. Can someone who has seen both the older ones with Shatner tell me how these two compare?


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[Err.]

Older ones are better imo. I dislike how they've changed Spock.

Watch the TOS and TNG seasons. Then watch the movies.

TOS has 3 seasons and TNG has 7 I think. I prefer TNG, but TOS is still awesome.

 

[lucas80]

Sweet Jesus don't get me started on the pollution of the time line in the new movies!
That being said, if you were to view them independently they are good sci-fi movies.
The original series and movies were much more idealistic in my mind versus the newer ones. The series was groundbreaking.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

The little one and I have watched the new Star Trek and seem to like them. We didn't see the originals so I don't know exactly how to compare the two. My mom is a "Trekkie" and I always liked Star Wars. Can someone who has seen both the older ones with Shatner tell me how these two compare?


Oh yeah....



KHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you talking the TV show, or the movies. I loved the TV show. The movies are hit and miss. If memory serves me correct, the titles end with an odd number suck and the even ones are good (Khhhhhhhaaaaaaaannn is the best of the bunch). Having grown up watching the show I'm partial to the original characters/actors, and loved Shatner as Kirk, however, I do like the new Star Trek movies. I didn't originally like the new Spock, but he's kind of grown on me. He's no Leonard Nimoy but he's alright. The new Uhura is a hottie. It's hard to compare the old movies with the new ones, because by the time they first started making the Star Trek movies the original actors were getting old, where the new Star Trek has the characters at the beginning of their careers.

They can do a lot more with the new Star Trek because of CGI. Gene Roddenberry was more concerned with the story and message (much like Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone) than the action. Roddenberry said he envisioned Star Trek to be "Wagon Train" in space. "Wagon Train" was a western show (a great one) where you had the trail boss, his scout, and a couple of helpers, and the story would revolve around a person in the wagon train on their trek out west. Each episode was a morality tale, maybe it was about the treatment of the indians, or a person with a criminal past, etc.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Are you talking the TV show, or the movies. I loved the TV show. The movies are hit and miss. If memory serves me correct, the titles end with an odd number suck and the even ones are good (Khhhhhhhaaaaaaaannn is the best of the bunch). Having grown up watching the show I'm partial to the original characters/actors, and loved Shatner as Kirk, however, I do like the new Star Trek movies. I didn't originally like the new Spock, but he's kind of grown on me. He's no Leonard Nimoy but he's alright. The new Uhura is a hottie. It's hard to compare the old movies with the new ones, because by the time they first started making the Star Trek movies the original actors were getting old, where the new Star Trek has the characters at the beginning of their careers.

They can do a lot more with the new Star Trek because of CGI. Gene Roddenberry was more concerned with the story and message (much like Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone) than the action. Roddenberry said he envisioned Star Trek to be "Wagon Train" in space. "Wagon Train" was a western show (a great one) where you had the trail boss, his scout, and a couple of helpers, and the story would revolve around a person in the wagon train on their trek out west. Each episode was a morality tale, maybe it was about the treatment of the indians, or a person with a criminal past, etc.

Just the movies, I didn't see any of the TV series. I'm 31 so the original series was gone before I could comprehend anything

 

[ANYCHawk]

(that's not to say I didn't enjoy the two JJ Abram's movies. Just too much lens flare)

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Older ones are better imo. I dislike how they've changed Spock.

Watch the TOS and TNG seasons. Then watch the movies.

TOS has 3 seasons and TNG has 7 I think. I prefer TNG, but TOS is still awesome.

Ha, you had me confused with what TOS was until I looked up Star Trek and figured it out as the original series. I even liked Deep Space Nine and Voyager. I liked Quark and the Ferengi's in DS9, and I actually liked Janeway in the Voyager series.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Just the movies, I didn't see any of the TV series. I'm 31 so the original series was gone before I could comprehend anything

Like with any franchise it has its ebbs and flows. Star Trek the movie bores the hell out of me. But, Khan and the search for spock are great. The one with the whales....well pass. Then Generations and First contact are good. But, Nemesis...again pass.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Just the movies, I didn't see any of the TV series. I'm 31 so the original series was gone before I could comprehend anything

The channel ME TV will occasionally air the original series (every Sat night they show an episode). I love old TV shows so I've fallen in love with that channel.

The Star Trek movies were ok but imo kind of lacked the charm of the original series. Khan was excellent but that was because he was the best villain.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

Like with any franchise it has its ebbs and flows. Star Trek the movie bores the hell out of me. But, Khan and the search for spock are great. The one with the whales....well pass. Then Generations and First contact are good. But, Nemesis...again pass.

I'm with you on the whales movie, yet that one got probably the best (or one of the best) critical reviews of the whole franchise. I thought it was stupid. Ditto for Nemesis. I didn't care for The Final Frontier either. That seemed to be just kind of a rehash of the first one and I didn't like that one.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

The old ones were more about the science fiction itself, where as the new ones are much more action oriented. They come off as a lot cooler also.

I actually think the new Kirk is just as good as the old kirk. He's convincing as a hot-headed, yet very intelligent and sensible at times, type. They do a good job of showing Kirk grow up in this new series.

The new Spock, isn't quite as good as Nimoy though. Nimoy just seemed much more of a bad ass. A sort of effortlessness about him too. Though the new one has more of a temper problem, he also seems much more arrogant, in a sort of trying too hard type of way.

The new scotty, is just much funnier than the old one. The new Uhura is hotter than the original, and much more relevant to the story IMO. She's boning Spock, which I don't think ever happened in the original.

Bones is probably the most different. The new one is played by a younger, hipper dude, than the old one ever was.

For the most part, the old Star Trek movies were much more 'Trekkie' like. Somewhat dorky, kind of cool, with a little more science fiction, and seriousness behind them.

The new ones, though also very smart, are catered to this generation, and play up the hipper themes in movies. A little more humor, with a bit of the ultra serious at times too. The special effects are WAY better obviously.

Personally I like them both.

 

[ANYCHawk]

I'm with you on the whales movie, yet that one got probably the best (or one of the best) critical reviews of the whole franchise. I thought it was stupid. Ditto for Nemesis. I didn't care for The Final Frontier either. That seemed to be just kind of a rehash of the first one and I didn't like that one.

OH MY GOD I AGREE WITH PHANTOM! This gay marriage thing is ruining everything!

 

[BioHawk]

I actually think the sixth original series movie was the best. Maybe because it was more of a political thriller and delved into territory that the series hadn't really covered before.

I also really like First Contact, but that was more because they were fighting the Borg.

 

[iCRUNCH]

BBC channel plays TNG, and it's great. Loved that show growing up. Movies are more action, where the show is more emotional.

 

[ANYCHawk]

I actually think the sixth original series movie was the best. Maybe because it was more of a political thriller and delved into territory that the series hadn't really covered before.

I also really like First Contact, but that was more because they were fighting the Borg.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

The old ones were more about the science fiction itself, where as the new ones are much more action oriented. They come off as a lot cooler also.

I actually think the new Kirk is just as good as the old kirk. He's convincing as a hot-headed, yet very intelligent and sensible at times, type. They do a good job of showing Kirk grow up in this new series.

The new Spock, isn't quite as good as Nimoy though. Nimoy just seemed much more of a bad ass. A sort of effortlessness about him too. Though the new one has more of a temper problem, he also seems much more arrogant, in a sort of trying too hard type of way.

The new scotty, is just much funnier than the old one. The new Uhura is hotter than the original, and much more relevant to the story IMO. She's boning Spock, which I don't think ever happened in the original.

Bones is probably the most different. The new one is played by a younger, hipper dude, than the old one ever was.

For the most part, the old Star Trek movies were much more 'Trekkie' like. Somewhat dorky, kind of cool, with a little more science fiction, and seriousness behind them.

The new ones, though also very smart, are catered to this generation, and play up the hipper themes in movies. A little more humor, with a bit of the ultra serious at times too. The special effects are WAY better obviously.

Personally I like them both.

I like the actor who plays Kirk but he's the character I least like or least buy into. He's much too much of a hot-head to be a Starfleet captain. Shatner's Kirk had a temper, but it was controlled. The new Kirk goes into meltdown mode over everything. I just don't believe him being a leader of anyone. I prefer Jean Luc Picard over this new Kirk.

 

[PhantomFlyer]

OH MY GOD I AGREE WITH PHANTOM! This gay marriage thing is ruining everything!

My wisdom is starting to sink in with you. And some people don't believe in God or miracles.

 

[bagdropper]

I actually think the sixth original series movie was the best. Maybe because it was more of a political thriller and delved into territory that the series hadn't really covered before.

I also really like First Contact, but that was more because they were fighting the Borg.

If you mean "Enterprise", I agree. Best TV series of the bunch. Jolene Blalock in uniform should be a model of uni's for every Star Trek made from here on out. And Scott Bakula probably gave his best performances of his career as Capt. Archer. The Xindi storyline of season 3 was outstanding.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

I like the actor who plays Kirk but he's the character I least like or least buy into. He's much too much of a hot-head to be a Starfleet captain. Shatner's Kirk had a temper, but it was controlled. The new Kirk goes into meltdown mode over everything. I just don't believe him being a leader of anyone. I prefer Jean Luc Picard over this new Kirk.

That's the whole point of his character though. This Kirk lost his father to the Romulans when they went back into the past, so you can see that he's a less disciplined, a bit angrier version of himself.
You'll noticed too that his path to being Captain was much rockier than the original Kirks due to this.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

My wisdom is starting to sink in with you. And some people don't believe in God or miracles.

Show me a modern day miracle and i'll believe.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

I actually think the sixth original series movie was the best. Maybe because it was more of a political thriller and delved into territory that the series hadn't really covered before.

I also really like First Contact, but that was more because they were fighting the Borg.

Yeah I liked the 6th one also, it was quite the thriller on the first viewing. It also had a strange cameo from Christian Slater for some reason.
I've always liked the 4th one. Spock trying to understand cursing and using it was great. Kirk-"Do you have that ready Spock?",..Spock-"One damn minute Admiral."

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

If you mean "Enterprise", I agree. Best TV series of the bunch. Jolene Blalock in uniform should be a model of uni's for every Star Trek made from here on out. And Scott Bakula probably gave his best performances of his career as Capt. Archer. The Xindi storyline of season 3 was outstanding.

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..and here is one with her in everyday life. Just so we can understand what exactly we are dealing with here.

 

[bagdropper]

wowzers...

 

[Titanhawk2]

Show me a modern day miracle and i'll believe.

Have kids yet?

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Have kids yet?

Of course, fatherhood is easy for me, everything is easy for me. You?

 

[Ray Kinsella]

Big Trek fan since about '85. The new movies are entertaining but far too many plot holes due to lazy writing. I still look forward to them since it's the only new Trek we have.

II and VI are very good films, largely due to an Iowa alum (Nicholas Meyer) directing.

 

[timinatoria]

The little one and I have watched the new Star Trek and seem to like them. We didn't see the originals so I don't know exactly how to compare the two. My mom is a "Trekkie" and I always liked Star Wars.

Pic of nerd mom?

 

[h-hawk]

My favorite is the one with the whales - IV The Voyage Home. Takes place in contemporary San Francisco, Spock tries to blend in, and Kirk says he is from Iowa and just works in outer space. (And Nicholas Meyer co-wrote the script.)

 

[swagsurfer02]

Pic of nerd mom?

Nah

 

[preshlock]

Like with any franchise it has its ebbs and flows. Star Trek the movie bores the hell out of me. But, Khan and the search for spock are great. The one with the whales....well pass. Then Generations and First contact are good. But, Nemesis...again pass.

I think they really missed an opportunity with The Next Generation movies. First two were pretty good but the quality quickly fell off after them. The story line between them and Nemesis took place during the war against the Dominion. Would have been nice to watch a battle heavy Star Trek movie.

 

[BioHawk]

I think they really missed an opportunity with The Next Generation movies. First two were pretty good but the quality quickly fell off after them. The story line between them and Nemesis took place during the war against the Dominion. Would have been nice to watch a battle heavy Star Trek movie.

I agree completely with this.