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Joe Manchin says he’s thinking ‘seriously’ about becoming an independent

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Sen. Joe Manchin III, a centrist West Virginia Democrat who has at times sparred with his party, said Thursday that he has “seriously” considered leaving the Democratic Party ahead of the 2024 election.

In a Thursday interview with West Virginia MetroNews host Hoppy Kercheval, Manchin said he would “think very seriously” about leaving his party to become an independent. His comments come amid speculation that he could mount an independent bid for president in the 2024 election, challenging President Biden.

Manchin told Kercheval that he’s been thinking about becoming an independent “for quite some time.”
Manchin said he thinks that, because of partisanship, the Republican and Democratic “brands” have become “so bad.”

“It’s not the Democrats in West Virginia; it’s the Democrats in Washington,” he explained. “… You’ve heard me say a million times, I’m not a Washington Democrat.”


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Manchin then said he has “absolutely” thought about becoming an independent.
He said he thinks that “the business of politics has gotten so, so absolutely toxic” and that Biden and other politicians should take “a balanced approach to how we govern and the policies that we make.”
“It shouldn’t be catering to an extreme left or an extreme right,” he said. “And we see both of that happening. It’s not normal, what’s happening. You and I never experienced this growing up, this toxic atmosphere where you have to be mortal enemies with the other side.”

Manchin’s statements came weeks after he headlined an event held by No Labels, a bipartisan group that has said it would consider offering a third-party presidential ticket if the 2024 race becomes a rematch between President Biden and former president Donald Trump. Manchin’s participation in the event stoked speculation that he is considering a third-party bid in the next presidential race.


No Labels has said it will only offer a third-party option “under the proper environmental conditions,” and that the ticket would probably feature a Democrat and a Republican in presidential and vice-presidential slots.

Manchin, meanwhile, has not ruled out a presidential bid. The three-term senator, who is up for reelection in 2024, told NBC News’s “Meet the Press” that he won’t make any final decision on whether he will run for reelection, or the White House, “until the end of the year.”

Manchin has repeatedly argued that both parties have gone to the extremes, putting him at odds with one of the Biden reelection campaign’s key messages — that the GOP is radically different from the Democratic Party and even from the traditional version of the party.
Manchin also has played foil to the Biden administration, at times winning policy concessions from the president because of Democrats’ slim hold of the Senate.


In the Thursday interview with Kercheval, Manchin criticized Biden and his administration’s implementation of the Inflation Reduction Act, which Manchin helped write. The White House, he argued, is using the legislation to “cater” to more liberal Democrats by depicting the bill as being all “green and clean.”

“This bill that I wrote was done about energy security, truly producing more gas, more oil, more coal than we have in the past consistently. And we’re doing that today,” he said.
Manchin said helping pass the bill — which was the result of a last-minute deal between him and Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and which angered many Republicans in Congress — wasn’t the smart thing to do if what he did was “strictly about politics.” But he said he doesn’t regret supporting it because it was what the country needed.
“I wouldn’t want to work for a senator or anyone representing me in West Virginia if it was all about my politics and not about what’s good for the country,” he said.

 
The Democratic Party’s rocky alliance with Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) increasingly looks as though it might be in jeopardy.
Manchin on Thursday offered his strongest comments to date suggesting he could soon leave the party and become an independent, saying he was “absolutely” considering such a move.

“I’ve been thinking seriously about that for quite some time,” Manchin told West Virginia radio host Hoppy Kercheval.

Manchin added, “I want to make sure that my voice is truly an independent voice. … I want to be able to speak honestly about, basically, the extremes of the Democrat and Republican Party that is harming our nation.”
Exactly what form such a party-switch could take matters hugely. Manchin could seemingly become an independent who still caucuses with Democrats, which might not be so bad for all parties involved. But to the extent it would involve Manchin retiring or running as a third-party candidate for president, it could be bad news for Democrats.


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Manchin’s statement comes less than two years after he forcefully denied a report that he had spoken with associates about such a move. He called the report “rumors.”
What we’ve seen in the time since, though, is an increasing acknowledgment that a split is indeed a possibility, if not a likelihood. That has culminated in Manchin’s current and highly consequential deliberations about whether to seek reelection in 2024 or maybe even run for president on the No Labels ticket. (Democrats would very much prefer he did the former — as a Democrat — and not the latter.)
To recap:
  • 2010: “Joe Manchin is a lifelong Democrat, and he is not switching parties,” a spokesman says.
  • 2016: Asked if he has considered a party switch, Manchin says, “Not one day.”
  • April 2021: “I’ve never considered [a party switch] from that standpoint, because I know I can change more from where I’m at.”
  • Oct. 20, 2021: He forcefully denies report that he talked about a party switch with associates.
  • Oct. 21, 2021: He clarifies that he had told Democratic leaders he would become an independent if he’s becoming an “embarrassment” to his party.
  • April 2022: He downplays a report that he told Senate GOP No. 2 John Thune (R-S.D.) that Manchin would switch parties if Thune led the GOP. “The bottom line is I am a West Virginia Democrat,” Manchin says.
  • December: After Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) leaves the Democratic Party to become an independent, Manchin says that “right now, I have no intentions of changing anything except working for West Virginians.” But he indicates that could change.
  • February: Asked if he still identifies as a Democrat, Manchin says, “I identify as an American.”
  • July: Asked at a No Labels event about becoming an independent like Sinema, Manchin says, “We’ll see what happens.”
  • Today: “I’ve been thinking seriously about that for quite some time.”

The progression here is evident. A split was once off the table, and Manchin sought to rein in speculation with varying degrees of denial. Now he’s clearly playing into it.

And the comment about wanting to be a “truly” independent voice and speak more freely about the “extremes of the Democrat and Republican Party” would sure seem to point to an exit and even a No Labels bid, which would be premised upon just such an argument.


Generally speaking, once you go down this road, there is no turning back. Nobody in your party will trust you if you talk about leaving it and then don’t. That’s why former senator Arlen Specter (Pa.) forcefully denied any such plans right up until the moment he switched from Republican to Democrat.
With Manchin, it’s a little more complicated. Certainly, it appears quite possible he’ll switch to become an independent; his reelection is severely imperiled in a state that voted 69 percent Republican in the last presidential election. It’s also difficult to separate this from his increasing flirtations with a No Labels bid.

But he also has all kinds of reason to hold this out there as a threat, regardless.
The Washington Post reported last week that he’s currently tussling with Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) about support for a reelection bid. Manchin has been highly critical of how the Biden administration has deployed the Inflation Reduction Act, in which Manchin played a key role. Manchin’s vote is so important in the Senate that wielding threats like this could help steer the Democratic agenda in a friendlier direction for his constituents on issues like coal and energy.


Indeed, Manchin has always held the best cards in this relationship, even if Manchin’s many liberal critics don’t want to accept that fact. Democrats need him to have any real shot at holding his seat, and his exit would severely diminish their hopes of holding the Senate in a year with a very difficult map. Democrats are also increasingly fretting about the No Labels ticket potentially siphoning votes away from President Biden.

Whether that would ultimately come to pass is an open question. We also don’t know what form a party switch might take; seeking reelection as an independent but still caucusing with Democrats could help bolster perceptions of Manchin’s independence back home and allow Manchin to hold a chairmanship in the Democratic-controlled Senate. The party has allowed Democratic-caucusing independents like former senator Joe Lieberman (Conn.) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) to lead committees.
What’s clear is that Manchin is playing this card pretty hard right now, and Democrats have at least some reason to worry.


 
I guess it goes to if he thinks he can win as an independent and /or fend off a GOP bid for his office. It would definitely fracture the Democratic nominees chances.
 
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Time to take a few more Senate seats and make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant. In that situation, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see JM switch parties.
 
Sen. Joe Manchin III, a centrist West Virginia Democrat who has at times sparred with his party, said Thursday that he has “seriously” considered leaving the Democratic Party ahead of the 2024 election.

In a Thursday interview with West Virginia MetroNews host Hoppy Kercheval, Manchin said he would “think very seriously” about leaving his party to become an independent. His comments come amid speculation that he could mount an independent bid for president in the 2024 election, challenging President Biden.

Manchin told Kercheval that he’s been thinking about becoming an independent “for quite some time.”
Manchin said he thinks that, because of partisanship, the Republican and Democratic “brands” have become “so bad.”

“It’s not the Democrats in West Virginia; it’s the Democrats in Washington,” he explained. “… You’ve heard me say a million times, I’m not a Washington Democrat.”


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Manchin then said he has “absolutely” thought about becoming an independent.
He said he thinks that “the business of politics has gotten so, so absolutely toxic” and that Biden and other politicians should take “a balanced approach to how we govern and the policies that we make.”
“It shouldn’t be catering to an extreme left or an extreme right,” he said. “And we see both of that happening. It’s not normal, what’s happening. You and I never experienced this growing up, this toxic atmosphere where you have to be mortal enemies with the other side.”

Manchin’s statements came weeks after he headlined an event held by No Labels, a bipartisan group that has said it would consider offering a third-party presidential ticket if the 2024 race becomes a rematch between President Biden and former president Donald Trump. Manchin’s participation in the event stoked speculation that he is considering a third-party bid in the next presidential race.


No Labels has said it will only offer a third-party option “under the proper environmental conditions,” and that the ticket would probably feature a Democrat and a Republican in presidential and vice-presidential slots.

Manchin, meanwhile, has not ruled out a presidential bid. The three-term senator, who is up for reelection in 2024, told NBC News’s “Meet the Press” that he won’t make any final decision on whether he will run for reelection, or the White House, “until the end of the year.”

Manchin has repeatedly argued that both parties have gone to the extremes, putting him at odds with one of the Biden reelection campaign’s key messages — that the GOP is radically different from the Democratic Party and even from the traditional version of the party.
Manchin also has played foil to the Biden administration, at times winning policy concessions from the president because of Democrats’ slim hold of the Senate.


In the Thursday interview with Kercheval, Manchin criticized Biden and his administration’s implementation of the Inflation Reduction Act, which Manchin helped write. The White House, he argued, is using the legislation to “cater” to more liberal Democrats by depicting the bill as being all “green and clean.”

“This bill that I wrote was done about energy security, truly producing more gas, more oil, more coal than we have in the past consistently. And we’re doing that today,” he said.
Manchin said helping pass the bill — which was the result of a last-minute deal between him and Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and which angered many Republicans in Congress — wasn’t the smart thing to do if what he did was “strictly about politics.” But he said he doesn’t regret supporting it because it was what the country needed.
“I wouldn’t want to work for a senator or anyone representing me in West Virginia if it was all about my politics and not about what’s good for the country,” he said.

Sounds to me like he is putting his services out for bid.

Who will pay me the most for my vote?
 
Voting for something you know is doomed is just preserving political capital. It’s when he does something that makes a difference that you find out where he truly stands.
Voting to convict Trump while representing a state that voted for Trump by 40 percentage points twice is “preserving political capital”?

The only state in America that voted for Trump by a wider margin in either 2016 or 2020 was Wyoming. And I’m fairly certain you heard what happened to Liz Cheney.
 
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Pretty sure he received a large donation from a big pharma company that also conveniently happened to employee his daughter.
Not sure about the donation. That might very well be true. But I know she was the CEO when the company jacked up the price of EpiPens by nearly 500%.
 
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Voting to convict Trump while representing a state that voted for Trump by 40 percentage points twice is “preserving political capital”?

The only state in America that voted for Trump by a wider margin in either 2016 or 2020 was Wyoming. And I’m fairly certain you heard what happened to Liz Cheney.
Liz was a Republican going against her party - she showed courage. Manchin was making a symbolic vote as a Dem following his in-power party which is a much easier sell in coal country when you're fighting to preserve fossil fuels. The outcome was a foregone conclusion so Manchin can just say his vote wasn’t important. Manchin votes against conviction - if he gives Trump that kind of political cover - he's getting blowback from his party that would likely cripple him. Then he might have just jumped to the GOP.
 
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