Toussaint is already one of my favorite players. He'll undoubtedly have some growing pains in Big Ten play but that kid is going to be really really good.
Joe Toussaint...Wow! Jon Rothstein (CBS Sports): "Buy Stock Now."
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For many years now certain fans have been clamoring for a legit PG, not a SG masquerading as a PG. I don't mean that as a knock on those SGs either. But this is exactly what a certain sect of the fanbase has been waiting for. Joe T is the type of PG that can break a defense down and open up opportunities for others. Not to mention his on ball defense is another special component that other Iowa guards have not had. He can keep guys in front of him. Fredrick can do the same. It's good to have.
I said after next year if CMac continues to get more time and chances than Joe T but I understand that reading comprehension is tough for you.I will not bash you for that though.
Well we know Moss can relate to that. That's the stuff about Fran that drives me nuts with his random rotations and sub patterns.
As for Toussaint it's clear he's our best PG and Fran needs to start him Sunday before our trip to Vegas. It's not like Connor is a veteran 5th yr senior ahead of him who you are replacing in the starting lineup. Connor is a good capable back up PG in the Big 10 but he's not a 25-30 min a game starter. It was also refreshing to see for once we had the guy on the floor that the other team can't keep in front of him with Joe last night.
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I would be very shocked if he starts. Fran won't start potential over family.
He handled the end of game well, from what I could see. Some clever passing against pressure.
If that was true, Connor would have started before this season and Patrick would have been a starter too.
Thank you for your input and policing an online forum where everybody says stuff that people disagree with. I will make sure to ask for your permission before my next post.
Are you daddy?...lolummm....I said it was only a matter of time. Did I stutter?
Agree that while Connor is reliable, JoeT adds another level on both sides of the court. Fran appears to be giving him more responsibility as he can handle it. Barring foul trouble, JoeT should get more minutes vs Cal Poly. Vs TTech, he could prove himself a starter. But really expect him to take a little step back vs Tech’s D only to bounce back vs a team in his home state (Syracuse) and be a starter sooner or later before Christmas.
I recall a quote in Newspaper from then High School player Connor saying he was looking foward to playing PG and having JBO next to him as shooter. The McCaffery family plan all along was moving JBO to off guard to open up a position for Connor at PG. Maybe that is why CW, Moss and Dailey took off...writing was on the wall about coach's kid getting PT. Connor missing out his Freshman year delayed that plan. JoeT may end up blowing the plan up entirely, because his quickness makes Connor look really, really, slow. I would not be surprised if the loser in PT ends up being Fredrick. Connor is going to get his 20minutes per game one way or the other.
I could see Patrick getting minutes at the 4 this year, if he gets healthy, because the talent level at 4-spot looks terrible.
I don't care if we had 5 family members in starting lineup for Iowa if they were a good team...if this Iowa team ends up sub .500 in B1G, then the complaints about the Fran Plan will be justified. JoeT to me looks better than I expected, and yes, exactly what many Iowa fans have been screaming about for about 7-8 years.
I thought the same thing, but a faster version. Woolridge was one of my favorite Hawks.
So then given this roster full of talent, and your opinion that this is not a throwaway year, please tell me what your expectations are for Iowa basketball this season? Tell me what you think the record will be overall and in conference?
Clearly a slight against the rest of the team. Zero confidence in the rest of the team at this pointSo your saying play five guys the whole time? Right.....
Make the NCAA tournament. Unless there are extreme circumstances, no coach that has been here as long as fran (and missed the tournament a couple years in a row recently) deserves a throwaway year.
Too bad he doesn’t have Cook to drive and dish for a monster dunk. I didn’t read all the posts, I’m sure it’s been said at some point. Pointless post, just saying it would be nice to have a guy like that to round the team out. Always missing one key element for the total package to be a contender in the BIG. I’m just relieved we have guy the can penetrate and he will just open things up.
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You nailed the S5...But we have to have a bench, albeit a short one.
Connor would play a role off the bench, could play 1-2-3 and could be especially good at end of games for ball handling and FT's (12-15 minutes)
Nunge has shown some improvement, but it really a solid bench guy at moment (14-16 minutes)
Pemsl is limited but is crafty and brings energy (8-9 minutes)
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This. Excellent points. I think you could see the other Hawkeyes taking more pride in making sharp passes, hustling on defense, and playing with greater urgency and energy. That's what one Joe T is doing--as a true freshman--for this basketball team.
For Iowa to have a successful season this year, whether Bohannon plays or not, Joe T has to play 30-35 minutes per game. He has what no one can teach and what Iowa has been lacking for a long, long time. It's great to see the young man from the Bronx setting the standard in Iowa City.
I agree. I want to see Touissant play more (and I’m sure he will as he gets more and more ingrained). What I have trouble with is this all or nothing mentality by some fans and that Connor is described as a non- D1 player and bordering on the anti-Christ.
Connor is a fine player. He brings some positives and not sure why he can’t coexist with Touissant. I know some on here have huge hard ons fir Fran and family like they have been kicking their dog and sleeping with their wife but come in. Connor is not even close to the biggest issue.
All this hate for McC and his family is disturbing. It really does sound like kids that are still pissed about their Little League coach playing his kids. Maybe some of the posters are mad because their kids got stiffed by their Little League coaches.
C McC was an ESPN 4* top 100 recruit. He's averaging 5 assists in only 24 minutes a game, shooting .923 from the line and has a 4/1 assist to turnover ratio. He's getting the ball into scoring position, not turning it over and capitalizing at the line.
I'm high as Colorado on Joey T, think he will win the job next year. Freshmen are unpredictable. We're four games into Joey's first year. Before we assassinate the coach and his family's character perhaps a little perspective and patience might be in order.
C McC was an ESPN 4* top 100 recruit. He's averaging 5 assists in only 24 minutes a game, shooting .923 from the line and has a 4/1 assist to turnover ratio. He's getting the ball into scoring position, not turning it over and capitalizing at the line.
I'm high as Colorado on Joey T, think he will win the job next year. Freshmen are unpredictable. We're four games into Joey's first year. Before we assassinate the coach and his family's character perhaps a little perspective and patience might be in order.
teams with plenty of talent don't lose to depaul, just speaking truthfully
it literally happens every week.
But why couldn’t Joe T start this year, if he continues to play well? Maybe alongside Connor?
There's a finite amount of time. No one knows how Joey T is going to handle the pressure of big games. I think he'll handle it well but that remains speculation.
Also, need to keep CJF in the starting line up for the shooting and defense. Joey's three ball is not pretty, nor is CMcC's.
If Patrick isn't back I'm thinking we'll see a lot of the freshmen and CMcC on the court whenever Joey W is on the bench.
You forgot to mention Kriener. Apparently he's burning it up, and needs to start. Nunge had 11 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, but yea that's not relevant at all. Just start Kreiner. Very logical.
I would love to make a bet on Connor averaging 20 min. per game for the year...
No way IMO.Without question CJF is the most complete guard we have. He passes, defends, scores. Dude through a half court alley oop perfect to Joey. They goes 2-2 and gets taken out. He is our best big man feeder watch how quick he passes the ball. Growing up a Hawk fan my whole life I was taught to pass the ball ahead not dribble up court because that is slower. CMc never passes the ball ahead to the wings especially Joey. I can not tell you how many times I have seen Joey wide open on the break ahead and CMc is taking 6-7 dribbles to get ball up. Makes zero basketball sense. Way way way too much dribbling and we saw against Depaul what all that dribbling gets you against a good team....TOs
I think you’re going to be disappointed with the results. It will then be interesting to see how you proceed from there. I decided a few years ago Fran is not the right guy. He regularly embarrasses the university, can’t recruit, attempts to play uptempo with a downtempo roster, can’t figure out defense, etc. Anyway, we all figure things out at our own pace and I will see you sooner or later in my camp
I think Woolridge looked for his shot a bit more but was clearly a great passer too. I think Joe T will be more of a facilitator than a scorer but it's still really early.
